very sad news...

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hello lago,

 

first I want say thank you, you are third admin I see in many months here (BigGrim, Zorg and you)

I write this many times in this forum:

if there is proof of bullying then you game admins have power to deal with these players who bully others!

but changing whole gaming play for ALL pvpers because of these few pvpers who do bully (I not know which players) is WRONG

 

example: if 3 chinese do crime then is it fair to punish ALL chinise? answer of course is NO

please not say this not same because it is, few pvper do this bullying and you want punish ALL pvper!

if you say this no punishment then why are pvper against your idea?

 

and please: where is my old friend hoofmaster?

why not hoofmaster coming to forum here and saying yes, I agree with removing xp loss from all pvp?

 

sorry saying this but old hoofmaster I remembering would never do this and I still hoping he has not changed that much 180°

We can't punish players for playing the game within the limitations of the game mechanics, in this instance, using PvP to consistently attack other players. I don't see how removing XP loss from PvP and replacing it with, for example, PvPXP, would be much of an issue, and I feel would solve a lot of issues.

BG, after seeing your posts responding to everyone against removing XP loss, I hace to ask a question, are you "discussing" this with us or you already made your decision ? Just to save our time posting about it

The XP loss is a critical issue which needs to be addressed. I think BigGrim has just been explaining why XP loss is such a plague right now to players looking simply to play the game, and not be victimised and have their gaming progress reversed by a few PvPers intent on de-levelling them as much as possible.

The issue to me seems to be:

- Players who aren't interested in pvp are being targeted and massively de-levelled, as an example, for simply stating an opinion on something. As such, they become frustrated and leave the game. (A de-leveller "troll")

On the other hand...

- Players who, for example, steal from a guild, can also be targeted and massively de-levelled for their actions.

Which is more vaild? Lets consider options here.

As doom said, I would place fixing an important part of the game before bug fixes.  After all the advertisment on the HCS site for fallensword states: "along your travels you will encounter fellow players who you can engage in battle against." 

 

As such, maybe just maybe can we shove everything else to the back burner and try and fix something that is quite important?

I don't see the problem? You can engage other players in battle. What is being discussed is the XP loss issue, not the fact PvP exists.

My thoughts:

Why was the XP loss even included in PvP?
I don't believe it's grossly negative impact could have been foreseen upon implementation. The frequency at which we're receiving complaints regarding random de-levelling from players in a troll fashion has becoming a huge problem, and is ruining the efforts of players who often keep to themselves and do their own thing.

I can personally understand the concerns coming from all sides of the fence (I'm a huge PvPer myself!), and I understand the legitimate reasons how XP loss can be used to punish players from certain actions they peform, however you must understand we need to make adjustments to game features which are currently resulting in player's efforts in the game being destroyed at the hand of one or more other player's sole intent on randomly de-levelling other players for no particular reason.

Again, we're interested in hearing all your concerns but also welcome constructive suggestions on how we can keep those things which make PvP fun, but won't detract too much from the efforts player's have made in the game. I can also confirm Hoofmaster has been concerned regarding this issue, and echoes much of what BigGrim has said already.

A massive thanks to all those who have provided some awesome feedback and suggestions already!

Ah, such a complex issue to find a solution in! I recall back on Gothador, players zealed from gaining toes and ears from killing other players. Perhaps that might add some more value to attacking other players, instead of the delevelling issue, which seems to have become an anchor point for trolls.

Thank you for posting your feedback and suggestions. I've taken notes and will endeavour to implemented them as soon as I can!

Wow, nice find!

take over the GoW or GG and make it an integrated part of the game, should have been done years ago....

I'm not sure about the possibility of that. I'll talk to hoof about it.

Lately I've been able to allocate an increasing amount of time on gothador, so I've been reviewing and planning a lot of stuff. Saying that, we would like to know what you would like to see released next!

perhaps a dark cloud? Or a raider / squig invasion? Have your say!

Eloquence.