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[Brice]

Alrighty...first let me say duktayp I'm not that old but like the raccoon
I saw some great guild battles with awesome play outs...we were posting some of them in chat...players being buffed to all heck was great and made it tough(that was the whole point)also being online allowed some players to adjust there set ups...LWS won 2 out of 5 GvG's and I'm good with that...***HERE IS A BIG POINT THAT I think that has been over looked here...Guilds were active ...working together...standing side by side... I don't know about your guilds chat box...but ours was going a 100mph...I LOVED IT!!!! Some played the roll of just defending themselves while others went on the attack...I think the best GvG LWS had was against RoR...I didn't have any targets in that one but the final score was LWS 47-RoR 48(nice one RoR!!)... TFS smoked us but we finished out the GvG and my hats off to them showing just how powerful the right set up and buffage can do for a player(you guys came LOCKED & LOADED)... And I will admit the use of epic pots was deadly...but let's say a guild such as TFS went up against a powerful guild like FFS they would need all the help they could get to win...that's one advantage a large guild has against a smaller one is the guild level.

NOW.... Here's what I have at this point of juncture... I can see having events such as this every so often or monthly...but change it up a bit....HERES WHAT I GOT
3 DIFFERENT Kinds of GvG Tourney Events that we randomly pick or vote on
"NO LIMITS"
This is what just went down...where everything ended up being fair game

"THE DIRTY DOZEN"
This is where you are only allowed 12 buffs your choice of which ones you use....and offline players can only be buffed with 12 also.

"OLD SCHOOL"
No buffs allowed just your gear is your defense....you are allowed to change PvP sets during battle to any type of gear BUT NO BUFFS

We can also work on a point system of some sort and maybe a FSP kitty pot for an actual Tournament...


I knew it was going to be a bit chaotic being that this was the first trial run at this...but we learned a ton from it, and I personally loved every minute of it!!!!

The next one of these or another Trial run...will have better notice and time of event will be better coordinated too

Edited by Brice, 19 May 2014 - 01:50.

[volcom]

1st and foremost, let me just point out, FFS would not be as hard to beat as you think. Most of their players ride in full epic sets while offline. No matter how well those are buffed, it is still easy to beat anyone in an epic set. I do give them a lot of credit though I learned a lot about GvG from W4W whilst I was at FFS.

 

As for the three different kinds of GvG Tourney Events

 

"No Limits": In all honesty, had I known there would be no limits on today's event, I would have gone all out too. This could work. Not my personal favorite idea but it seems a lot of people are down to do it so I withdraw my comments against it. My 2nd choice.

 

"The Dirty Dozen": I like the idea but this would be extremely hard to regulate. Lots of chaos would ensue when someone unknowingly or (pretending to be unknowing) buffed their guildmates with all the other buffs. So far this is my 3rd choice. 

 

"Old School": SOUNDS GREAT. Not easy to regulate but easier then "The Dirty Dozen". I think I did joke about doing a naked GvG event in the FS box at one point today but this sounds a lot better (sounds to me like someone is infected by the arena lol o.o) 1st choice and best of the three

 

These are all good idea's... but I do like "Old School" best (needs a different name though)... Maybe make it so only buffs lower then level 500 can be used or something like that... All these new buffs are kinda making it tough lol... But no buffs at all sounds great too.

 

Sorry if I came off as a jerk earlier... *mumbles* heat of the moment lol

 

Was fun. Can't wait till next time!

Edited by volcom, 19 May 2014 - 01:53.

[Tastria]

(raises his cane and shakes it at volcom)  You are a rude impertinent boy, but you apologize like a man.  For my part I forgive you.  It's not like the rest of us haven't put our foot in our mouths on occasion  and had to eat "sole food"

    For my part I like the "old school" version.  It makes it much easier to police, and it also might save a pile of cummulative stamina.  It also might drag some of the obsolete gear out of the guild stores, as there are a few pieces out there with interesting stats when you use them without buffs.

[DomCorvis]

As known we prefer the ALL out option....but we would play any way....old school with 0 buffs has a few issues tho....this will be great for arena players like brice and those who have a ton of non set items/epics/etc sitting in their bp that is otherwise useless. It also benefits players like myself and most of my guild who have LUP assigned outside of damage and setup to compliment our gear/stats.....just my $.02

 

TFS will participate in any and all tournaments we can.(work/RL schedules may not always permit)

[volcom]

Tastria, on 19 May 2014 - 02:44, said:

(raises his cane and shakes it at volcom)  You are a rude impertinent boy, but you apologize like a man.  For my part I forgive you.  It's not like the rest of us haven't put our foot in our mouths on occasion  and had to eat "sole food"

    For my part I like the "old school" version.  It makes it much easier to police, and it also might save a pile of cummulative stamina.  It also might drag some of the obsolete gear out of the guild stores, as there are a few pieces out there with interesting stats when you use them without buffs.

 

Actually, I am a man. I won't say how old. Just old enough to be married and happily set in life. Old enough to have paid off all my college tuition and give 50% down payment on my house mortgage. 

 

But if I did come off as a "rude impertinent boy" I apologize.

[DomCorvis]

I would also like to apologize to volcom....heat of the moment...adrenalin pumping...so I'm sorry....We all enjoy GvG and take it very seriously. Lets keep it that way.

 

Thank you brice for the kind words and for putting this whole shindig together. TFS had a blast and we hope everyone else did too

[gomezkilla]

How about a perspective outside the battle zone:

 

Big guild vs Small guild: This can go either way for the "advantage." One, the big guild goes in and overwhelms the small guild and snuffs them out like it happens all the time in history in real life and propaganda (though using big groups over little groups there). or Two, the small guild succeeds because they don't allow mistakes. They have the right amount of people to keep each other in check and at the top of their game. Big guilds on the other hand tend to become lazy in that area.. which is why they lose in a situation like this one. The size of the guild should not matter in an ordeal like this.

 

Epic/Global potions: Really? This seems to be a problem? We have had enough global events in the game to have an excess of global potions in our packs, or at least I do. So unless you are too frugal to use a global potion that you will just so happen to get back soon enough, then go ahead and use it to win a competition, this one just so happens to be the first in the game and that is what makes this one special!

 

Deflect issue: Deflect has been a buff that many have complained about recently, but I do not recall reading anywhere in the forums that set a not No-Limits kind of ordeal. Then again I didn't read the entire thing since I wasn't participating so I may be wrong. In the future, specifically rule out any and all buffs.

 

Volcom's suggestion about bracketing: I like this suggestion, though it could make this whole competition become a little longer in the future because a winner would have to be found before the next round could be started.

 

No Limits, Old School, Dirty Dozen: Great variations of the game, maybe I will participate with my guild in the future at some point with these games.

 

Kudos to you Brice for making this all happen and to all the sub people that helped out!

 

Note: "You" is used a general term to in a way talk to the reader so please do not be offended or raise any marks that I am talking about you specifically.

 

Gomez.

[tomt3hpom]

Im not going to put the quote in but why is everyone hating on deflect. its is kinda useless in gvg's its not a loss so why wouldnt it be allowed it just means u gotta hit again or get anti deflect not that hard. To be honest it would be smart to use it i know personally that i get about deflected 6-7 times during a GVG wasting 70 stam which can be gained in 1 hour big woop. Other then that Well done to The Firing Squad and cant wait for the next one. (hopefully the timing is better next time brice)

Edited by tomt3hpom, 19 May 2014 - 13:16.

[lapdragon]

i have to post again because i am SO VERY PROUD of BRICE for putting this together!!  he did an amazing job!! LWS had a blast!!  Im sorry that there was some confusion for some regarding DEFLECT and pots.  There was never any thing said that deflect or pots were off limits......many of us worked hard in globals to get these pots to use.  I used EPIC FORGE 250 and COORD DEFENSE 300.  I chose to save my SH pot for my power level....but if i hadnt made a goal of 1200, i woulda DRANK that baby up!!!!!  i see it as this...if im going to a fight...why would i look at my best weapon and chose a stick??  Deflect is aggravating but does not give you a loss, but we all know how to beat it, either timing or with SB or Spell leech or (if it works) Anti-deflect.  As BRICE said our chat was so active we had to put up some rules to slow it down LOL....The FIRING SQUAD did great, i had no targets...an RoR were great to battle with!!  was very close for us!!...We loved the chance to battle our ALLY ODP!!  THCT put up a good battle!! was a draw! NoDRAMA has a NAP with us so was fun to see how we could do against them...(we lost)  LMAO.  MITHRAL HALL took it to the boards with us...ending up with two of our level 100s battling it out for a win for us.  MANY thanks to all who buffed and participated XOXOOXO XOOXOXO XOOXOX

[Egami]

Brice, thanks for taking the time to structure an event that definitely seemed to cause a sensation.

 

I haven't read this entire post, but I did laugh at the FSBox. Our guild didn't participate and probably wouldn't. Just how we are, not that I wouldn't have fun smacking (o0

 

All that said, here's my two cents on some of the comments:

 

Towards complaints about Deflect:

 

I laugh at you. Please read that with a smirk. I have Deflect and use it all the time. That was way before Anti Deflect (which was actually a disappointment for me) and despite people saying, "using Deflect is a bad idea. If you're on the board it only makes you lose more XP".

 

My response was always along the lines of: I don't care about XP, I get my rocks off with every hit that doesn't get through and imagining how frustrating that is for my attacker.

 

LOL.

 

To be more helpful, if you come up against Deflect, get Anti Deflect and/or Spell Breaker. Enough said.

 

Throw out global pots? Get real. I find it odd that nobody was complaining about cloak.

 

In any case, nobody should get a win button in this type of thing. At least in my opinion. I mean, why would a GvG Event be any different than real GvG?

 

In short, talking about "restrictions" on this type of event seems to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

 

1) You can't enforce them 2) Brice doesn't deserve the drama of trying to. 3) Wouldn't it defeat the purpose?

 

All that said, here comes my noobishness (o0

 

I've seen some comments here that make me believe things have changed, but I'm a bit confused. As I understand/understood it, it used to be that you could only initiate a Guild Conflict against a target once every 7 days. Has that changed? I also no longer remember what the programming was on retaliations. Any insight on de-noobing me is appreciated (o0

[DomCorvis]

17:00 19/May/2014  Your conflict with Mithral Hall resulted in victory with a final score of 50 - 0. Your GvG rating has increased by 1 and you gained 12 Guild RP.

 

 16:15 19/May/2014  Your conflict with Warrior Kings resulted in victory with a final score of 50 - 27. Your GvG rating has increased by 8 and you gained 12 Guild RP.

 

15:45 19/May/2014 Your conflict with NoDrama resulted in victory with a final score of 50 - 0. Your GvG rating has increased by 7 and you gained 12 Guild RP.

 

09:45 19/May/2014 Your conflict with CYRBUCK resulted in victory with a final score of 50 - 41. Your GvG rating has increased by 1 and you gained 12 Guild RP.

 

 

01:15 19/May/2014

Your conflict with Order of the Dark Plague resulted in victory with a final score of 50 - 42. Your GvG rating has increased by 9 and you gained 12 Guild RP.

 

 

  19:00 18/May/2014 Your conflict with Fallen Alliance resulted in victory with a final score of 50 - 5. Your GvG rating has increased by 1 and you gained 12 Guild RP.

 

Your conflict with Legendary Warriors Stronghold resulted in victory with a final score of 50 - 15. Your GvG rating has increased by 6 and you gained 12 Guild RP.

 

 

 

Hope you guys don't mind us posting these...but we are awfully proud of ourselves!!!

[Egami]

tomt3hpom, on 19 May 2014 - 13:15, said:

Im not going to put the quote in but why is everyone hating on deflect. its is kinda useless in gvg's its not a loss so why wouldnt it be allowed it just means u gotta hit again or get anti deflect not that hard. To be honest it would be smart to use it i know personally that i get about deflected 6-7 times during a GVG wasting 70 stam which can be gained in 1 hour big woop. Other then that Well done to The Firing Squad and cant wait for the next one. (hopefully the timing is better next time brice)

tom... I could be noobing it again, but when you get deflected, it doesn't waste your stam... Used to be that way at least. Personally, I've always felt it "should" waste your stam, lol

[DomCorvis]

Egami, on 19 May 2014 - 18:53, said:

tom... I could be noobing it again, but when you get deflected, it doesn't waste your stam... Used to be that way at least. Personally, I've always felt it "should" waste your stam, lol

 

 

ok

 

1. deflect doesnt waste stam...I agree it should...would add another bit of interest

 

2. A guild who was initiated upon can in return initiate on the original initater

 

3. there is still a 7 day cool down on initiating on the same guild

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[BraveKath]

Just some thoughts:

Deflect:

In my opinion it's a GvG Tool - as people get tired, they get sloppy and they miss when a buff has been added, or gear changed, or when they've lost a buff and so it adds an element of challenge to it all.  Yes, we can hate it when we're beating our heads against it, but many GvG's have been won and loss over Deflect.  If it's decided to be allowed, then I see no reason why the players who typically have it blocked can't unblock it for the event.

Epic Pots:

Everyone has access to all the buffs usually via the Buff Market and then to various potions, but access to Epic Pots vary based on a # of factors that everyone knows. Saying Epic Pots are off-limits does make for more of a level playing field, thus more of a challenge.  

Compose Potions: 
If you go down the road of banning Epic Pots, then will you also ban Compose Potions?  Seems that it would be fitting.

Dealing with Violations of potion/buff use:
I think several things should occur and be clear from the start .... 1)  If hitting hasn't begun do the neighborly thing and inform a high ranking member of that guild, as perhaps they don't know they have a rogue player.  We've all had someone ignore the rules.  2) If hitting commences then suppose that's a forfeit. 3) The guild observing this will need to take and share screen shots.

Reporting violations to other guilds:

When informing an opposing guild keep it short and sweet with no emotions attached.  Ex: Check your player JoeSmoe he's using Epic Pots.  In other words - keep it civil - assuming the best intent by the leadership there, not the worst.

In regards to the "Old School", then what about potions?  How will you address Blazing Cave, Grind Stone and others? Suggest that be clarified.  If you're going to say that potions are not allowed, which would be one way to go, then I would say make the exception for Distil and Resilience. 

Winners Pot-Pooling Money:
Check with Grim/Hoof, but I think that's not permissible.  We used to run contests regularly and as I recall they considered this gambling, so we had to make some adjustments and I don't want to say exactly for fear my memory is off..  I may be not remembering the details correctly, but before you step in a hole, check it out and clarify how you can conduct it.

Edited by BraveKath, 19 May 2014 - 19:10.

[BraveKath]

While perhaps unlikely to succeed, perhaps HCS would consider turning off the 7 day cool down period during the time period of GvG contests?  I suspect not, but doesn't hurt to ask.  I assume they couldn't do it only for the participants and it would affect all guilds, but hopefully for a short time period this wouldn't create too much of a fuss if it's not a huge undertaking for HCS.

Can't hurt to ask.  

[tomt3hpom]

Egami, on 19 May 2014 - 18:53, said:

tom... I could be noobing it again, but when you get deflected, it doesn't waste your stam... Used to be that way at least. Personally, I've always felt it "should" waste your stam, lol

 

Hmm didnt know that thought it counted as an attack

 

As for bravekath bringing up composing pots from what i am awear of they arn't that high i know most of the buffs from composing can be brought in AH for example Keen edge 200 CoA/CoD 250 Only two i can think of at this point is Entrench and Santuary which goes upto 200

[Brice]

To Kath...
I fully agree with you on the rewards thing on an event such as this....anything down these lines would completely and fully have be ok with HCS, in which, any type of rewards would have to be handed out by HCS....my suggestion of an FSP kitty pot was just an idea that I almost edited it out due to that could be considered gambling....that I do not condone .....this part of a future event is still way out and would never try to do unless I had a HCS approval.

Edited by Brice, 19 May 2014 - 22:20.

[Brice]

Varieties of possible GvG tourneys that I would like to try out:
I think either we can forget all these OR we could make these possibilities as a variety of a once a month Tournament
1. "All IN".... anything goes...all buffs, all pots, any other type of enhancements
2. "Dirty Dozen"....only allowed 12 buffs any kind but only 12...no pots just buffs
3. "Old School" .... Straight PvP gear...no buffs... No pots....but can switch all gear around during battle if need be
4. "Drink'em if you Got'em"... Only allowed to use potions
5. "Smack'em" ...all buffs are allowed....no pots

As stated earlier we just tried the "ALL IN", and I personally liked that one...but what about these other ways??? I wish we could do a poll or we can just discuss it here

Edited by Brice, 20 May 2014 - 03:25.

[BraveKath]

Brice, on 20 May 2014 - 00:15, said:

 I wish we could do a poll or we can just discuss it here

 

If you want to do a Poll Attached to this thread -- go to your original post (page 1) and then use Full Editor.  For some reason it will send you to a captcha (sp?) page, just do it and then you're back and you'll see the option to add a poll in the upper right hand corner -- I believe that was where it was.