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[shindrak]

So did the new rewards increase activity on ladder?

 

Its sad to see nothing changed from adding new rewards and chests..etc

Ladder still same 3-6 players in each band except 25 - 249 band has 50+ player (those players wasting stamina then quit the game when they find it impossible to get higher level)

Empty Bounty board

Where are the players who asked to revert back ?

 

 

HC's , Can you bring back the pvp seasons that was very active for overall pvp aspect ?

Edited by shindrak, 02 January 2016 - 22:39.

[RebornJedi]

The new ladder band ranges is why I didn't even opt in when I came back to the game.. They need to revert back to the old ladder bands.. All the ladder needed were potions to begin with.. Consumables, desirable consumables..

Want an active bounty board? Lower the harsh possible punishment of losing five levels from one attack that just takes 1-10% XP and some gold.. Why would most players risk that for such a tiny steal of gold.

Seems I missed the pvp seasons though.. Anyone with a link or knowledge of what they were?

[EpicPiety]

So did the new rewards increase activity on ladder?

 

Its sad to see nothing changed from adding new rewards and chests..etc

Ladder still same 3-6 players in each band except 25 - 249 band has 50+ player (those players wasting stamina then quit the game when they find it impossible to get higher level)

Empty Bounty board

Where are the players who asked to revert back ?

 

 

HC's , Can you bring back the pvp seasons that was very active for overall pvp aspect ?

Isn't it funny how we are able to predict EVERY outcome...Some people never learn...We were saying this would change anything to do with activity .

Edited by EpicPiety, 02 January 2016 - 23:04.

[yghorbeviahn]

PvP Seasons were active because it was a new aspect and everyone was trying it out...That have nothing to do with the quality of the change.

[bloody18]

I would like to see  a  "PVP Seasons Event" .. and a major heads up to it before hand. so we can have the stam needed to have a chance to win it! ( if Shins post raises some eyebrows) I do not however see them reverting back ... again. 

[EpicPiety]

PvP Seasons were active because it was a new aspect and everyone was trying it out...That have nothing to do with the quality of the change.

In a sense this was a "new" ladder too and it wasn't active...The new invisible titan isn't active?

[Egami]

I'm not going to spend much time here except to say (once again) that there were a lot of aspects I liked about Seasons. If HCS dedicates some time to that concept, I'll attempt to bother to give my free input.

 

I'd remind players that Seasons probably pushed up activity because a bounty hunter had nothing to lose. I don't personally agree with that.

 

Personally, I did the PVP ladder straight for two years and twice offered up my tokens for free to the entire FS community. That said, I do like the new rewards and use them often. However, I personally made a decision to drop out and the fact that I have tons of tokens still means I don't need to think about it. Now, all that info given, I do believe that I will get back into the PvP Ladder at some point thanks to those prizes. Those prizes are also the reason I'm actually using my tokens. 

 

So, all in all, I liked the prizes but believe it will take some time for all of us Ladder people to start to run out and get back into it.

 

Above all, I like this post. I think the Ladder and BB needs to be evaluated to fuse some of the ideas from Seasons. 

 

Regardless, the PvP Ladder and BB are, for me, separate concepts. 

 

Anyway, if anybody wants to start up a topic to make constructive suggestions or HCS is willing to look at them. Pm me in game. I'd love to see them be adjusted.

[shindrak]

maybe steal certain percentage of xp from pvp hits since there's no gold to steal?

 

 

or just remove ladder and move all ladder rewards as BB rewards..

Edited by shindrak, 03 January 2016 - 22:06.

[Egami]

@shin, don't get the first idea in post #8. 

 

On the second... definitely not on my side. Ladder "could" take some effort. Ladder has a huge XP cost. I don't think that's even debatable. Ladder has a nuance that I really like. Sure, there can be collusion.... but... Well, there's a reason why PvP x10 is one of the prizes. I definitely do not want to see that as a BB reward. 

[yodamus]

as i predicted months ago !!!  - there is nothing you can add for prizes to ladder as in its current system that will get activity..nothing - as i have said before..way to much xp loss risk for those rewards...and since pretty much only the pvpers who have been doing it for years have all the tokens to get all those pots to help them stay on top, nobody new to pvp is going to wish to join..they have zero chance..up against those players..you have made it even worse for new pvp players to join ( do you not understand this ??)

 

then we still have the 25-250 bracket ?? how many players does hcs wish to run off the game - i check everyday and since this bracket came out- it is in the hundreds !!  DONT BELEIVE ME, check out it out yourselves...see the players get deleveled , not knowing what has happened to them..or why > and then you see they have quit the game...quite a few on this ladder as i speak..hoof said he would fix it many weeks ago..nothing done- WAY TO GO !!  CHASE MORE AND MORE PLAYERS AWAY EACH DAY ? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE ??  FIX THAT BRACKET TODAY !!!!!!  - QUIT CHASING NEWBIES AWAY

Edited by yodamus, 04 January 2016 - 19:56.

[yghorbeviahn]

I'll not consider the 25-249 ladder because it is a mistake and should not exist.

But check all brackets and see how players are actually playing, 30ish? That os less than we had before the bracket expansion, but for multiple reasons, not only the levels and stamina needed, but because we are just spending stamina and time doing other things, last 3 months we had event after event, it's pretty normal to have some decrease there...Maybe now we will start to see 2~3 more players on each bracket, but not much anyway.

[shindrak]

@shin, don't get the first idea in post #8. 

 

On the second... definitely not on my side. Ladder "could" take some effort. Ladder has a huge XP cost. I don't think that's even debatable. Ladder has a nuance that I really like. Sure, there can be collusion.... but... Well, there's a reason why PvP x10 is one of the prizes. I definitely do not want to see that as a BB reward. 

1st idea was suggested before by some pvp players i think...cant find thread.

 

2nd IMO rewards not really worth it in long term... motivation and fun is what missing in ladder, there is more action in BB as you can hit once every 2 mins.

 

 

Maybe its time to make these changes

1.Reduce time between hits to 10 mins (ladder only) .

2.Reduce xp loss by x10(due to time change above) though not sure if stamina or xp is precious these days lol

3.Decay rating loss if you got hit by same player each time.

what else?

 

Its really dull aspect that's why even people on ladder sleep for long between hits...

Edited by shindrak, 04 January 2016 - 23:19.

[yghorbeviahn]

I really don't like the PvP Rating thing, it is way too broken to work with.

I liked the PvP Seasons score, like:

1 win = 1 point won
1 loss = 1 point lost
Unresolved = 0 points

Simple as that, so if you want to have more points you'll need to play more and attack more.

The PvP Rating make you stop attacking, because there is a point where you don't receive enough Rating to keep hitting.

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Major problem to me:
The time between hits (1 hour), it's all good until you start to get Deflect, so you log in, buff up (200~400 stamina worth), try to hit, got 2 Deflects, next hour 1 Deflect, next hour your buffs start to run out, and you need to buff up again.

That was what made me stop playing for a while.

[yodamus]

I'll not consider the 25-249 ladder because it is a mistake and should not exist.

But check all brackets and see how players are actually playing, 30ish? That os less than we had before the bracket expansion, but for multiple reasons, not only the levels and stamina needed, but because we are just spending stamina and time doing other things, last 3 months we had event after event, it's pretty normal to have some decrease there...Maybe now we will start to see 2~3 more players on each bracket, but not much anyway.

yes..ladder 25-250 should not exist - yet months later, many lost newbies (hundreds, i have been watching ), yet still nothing done - that shows total lack of regard for newer players by the cows..should have realized that was a bad ladder bracket before it even was made one..who made this bracket ? can they think ? did they try to think?

 

next..i will remind you next month about your activity..counted 28 today..used to be 37-39..so you have lost quite a few..and my guess would be that you will get your 2-3 more back in some brackets ( the same ones who were there before) not anyone new !!, and be back to the 37-39 as before..still love the one bracket that is controlled by one guild..that bracket should not count for activity either- NOBODY DOES ANYTHING IN THAT BRACKET TO DESERVE ANYTHING

 

the ladder system needs to be completely scraped- you are never ever ever going to get the activity you want the way the ladder is now

[DragonDave]

I have had several of our new players complain about getting hit on the Ladder. I ask them  "Then why are you on the Ladder?" Their reply is What do you mean? Isn't everybody on the Ladder? How do I get off of the Ladder? It is terrable getting hit all the time. It makes me want to just quit this game.

There are 249 players on the bottom Ladder band. I have sent messages to several of them asking if they want to be on the Ladder or do they know how to get OFF the Ladder. Most of these players are not even active in the game anymore & the ones that are active are SO GRATEFULL when I tell them how to get off the Ladder. 

I think this is a big problem with the game & it is chasing away a lot of players who are just getting started playing.

I think this needs to be changed so that new players have to check the Opt In box rather than having to UNCHECK the Op In box. This is just stupid & makes no sense to me. 

[Pardoux]

I have had several of our new players complain about getting hit on the Ladder. I ask them  "Then why are you on the Ladder?" Their reply is What do you mean? Isn't everybody on the Ladder? How do I get off of the Ladder? It is terrable getting hit all the time. It makes me want to just quit this game.

There are 249 players on the bottom Ladder band. I have sent messages to several of them asking if they want to be on the Ladder or do they know how to get OFF the Ladder. Most of these players are not even active in the game anymore & the ones that are active are SO GRATEFULL when I tell them how to get off the Ladder. 

I think this is a big problem with the game & it is chasing away a lot of players who are just getting started playing.

I think this needs to be changed so that new players have to check the Opt In box rather than having to UNCHECK the Op In box. This is just stupid & makes no sense to me. 

 

The game NEEDS to retain new players - driving 'em away as soon as they start is completely detrimental to that process.

 

If they are, by default, opted IN, that's NUTS IMO.

[yodamus]

been that way for months..check thread..been talking about it for awhile..still nothing done..nutso is understatement....imagine waking up..hit who knows how many times..levels lost ..gear crushed..when you just started playing..yikes.hoof says it is to be fixed by end of month..getting close

[tuvok77]

I tried the ladder once, but frankly, it all comes down to beating the schmeckles out of all those small players, they quit the game and they dont come back, PvP is a big factor when it comes to making players leave, since what good is playing the game if you cant even raise in lvls for you get rekt by all those lvl 100+ players...

 

This game has a steep learning curve, forcing new players to auto opt in is completely wrong.

 

My idea: By default it should be opt out. if someone wishes to partake in ladder they can opt in.

 

Even better solution: Restructure the PvP bands in the lower end to what they used to be: hell even upping it by 25 is a good idea, check this out:

 

LvL 0 Band: 25-99

LvL 1 Band: 100-174

LvL 2 Band: 175-249

 

I tell you, this added with my solution of default opt out, will fix it. Trust me, with the current system its over the top, divide the ranges by 75 lvls and everyone of the new lower lvl players will be pleased. I feel this is a good compromise.

[kitobas]

have you trying playing ladder with buff level 175 against player who using crazy composing level?

 

I trying ladder, I getting butchering from player who having KE 400, flinch 400, smash hammer 550 and other crazy level

player was composing level over 50, I was higher level than him and better setups using than him but composing giving him crazy stats

I going with KE 175, flinch 175, smash hammer 175 and other buffs

 

I am pvper, not composer

 

many year I doing pvp, starting from original pvp system and I never needing doing titan hunting, super elite hunting, arena or other gameplay style to having equal chance on pvp

but now you forcing players doing composing for keeping up with pvp, that not normal and not good, why?

 

composing potions is stronger than epic ladder potions

ladder giving you KE 300, flinch 300, terrorize 300, shield wall 225, armor boost 300 but composing giving you KE 350, flinch 400, shield wall 255, armor boost 340

 

you need making composing not working for pvp, only for hunting against creature, titan and super elite hunting

 

if you saying go buying composing potion against player who is composing level over 50 then you need paying many fsps

for 1 ladder reseting spending more than 100 fsps for buying composing potions for having same chance against this player who is over composing level 50

 

spending 100 fsps for buying composing for 1 ladder reseting and getting 5 token rewarding from ladder is not normal, that crazy

 

why need composing changing how I pvp for years, I was doing pvp many years and never having problem until composing

 

about 25-249 pvp ladder it is big problem

band need changing, making bankd 100-149 is good

have you thinking about new players joining who trying pvp then they doing pvp ladder against player who is high level composer?

new players will get butchering, that crazy

 

season was bad for reasons but I will only talking about composing

in last hours before season reset I seeing few players drinking highest composing potions level and highest duration and start attacking

they attacking with these crazy composing players who having buff level 175, no buffs or in epics many times

they playing in top ranks in season and then they writing in their bio they winning attacking and defending 100 battles without losing lol

I finding it joke, when I seeing someone has this in his bio when he was using highest composing potions level and duraions, it showing disgrace, every player who knowing nothing about pvp can doing this with highest composing potions level and duraions, very bad

 

if I with my level 1645 starting smashing level 100 players on BB and winning over 100 battles, does this making me good pvper?

no it would making me coward who afraid of fighting battles on equal level and can only winning if stats difference are too high different

 

at moment composing is more stronger than epic ladder potions (I giving examples in my posting), want giving real value to ladder potions that they are realy epic then need making composing not working for pvp, only for hunting against creature, titan and super elite hunting

Edited by kitobas, 29 January 2016 - 11:56.

[yodamus]

excellent post kit..never even thought about how composing was affecting the ladder..hopefully changes will be coming real soon..as now many players even pvpers.. are seeing how the pvp ladder is not working and causing very bad issues.