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[yotwehc]

 

yotwehc, on 13 Jul 2016 - 05:02, said:

 

 

Not a top guild in any sense yes we have 1 level 60 composer and 2 others darn close to 60, We all agree composing does not belong in pvp as it creates a with v without barrier that should not exist.

 

Thanks for the response. I would agree with you if we would eliminate offline hitting. otherwise, there is still a barrier.

[Filletminion]

Thanks for the response. I would agree with you if we would eliminate offline hitting. otherwise, there is still a barrier.

It is a barrier that is reinforced and made greater when combined with composing the game has too many points of separation between the have and have nots already composing just adds another layer. For the game to be vibrant and alive it needs to be available to all equally, The challenge ahead is how to go back without disenfranchising the haves ..

 

I really wonder how many would stay if the game experienced a total reset with all upgrades and donations reinstated. and players get to start with a clean screen.. all gear needing to be farmed all inventing redone a total clean sheet..

 

How many would be up for that?

 

Cause for mine the game needs this infernal black cloud that has been hanging over this needs to be cleaned out and start again.

HCS work damn hard for the staff they have put yourself in their shoes they worked for years on Eldevin for what? Same can apply to every other mmorpg they have.

Edited by zizzwyly, 13 July 2016 - 10:37.

[EpicPiety]

It is a barrier that is reinforced and made greater when combined with composing the game has too many points of separation between the have and have nots already composing just adds another layer. For the game to be vibrant and alive it needs to be available to all equally, The challenge ahead is how to go back without disenfranchising the haves ..

 

I really wonder how many would stay if the game experienced a total reset with all upgrades and donations reinstated. and players get to start with a clean screen.. all gear needing to be farmed all inventing redone a total clean sheet..

 

How many would be up for that?

 

Cause for mine the game needs this infernal black cloud that has been hanging over this needs to be cleaned out and start again.

HCS work damn hard for the staff they have put yourself in their shoes they worked for years on Eldevin for what? Same can apply to every other mmorpg they have.

I would...They wont though too risky... Maybe same thing with Sigma storm... Fallensword 2? I'd play the beep outta FS2 if they fixed ALL the economy/game mechanic issues etc...

Edited by EpicPiety, 13 July 2016 - 20:27.

[Filletminion]

I would...They wont though too risky... Maybe same thing with Sigma storm... Fallensword 2? I'd play the beep outta FS2 if they fixed ALL the economy/game mechanic issues etc...

Risk always relative what is the consequence of inaction? And is that a greater risk than Action? Only HCS and Ultimately Hoof will need to Answer.

[sweetlou]

Don't worry - we're not changing anything at the moment. I just wanted to find out more about what the issue was so it could be discussed. If we did consider changing it, we'd put it to an in-game poll first to gauge the opinion of the wider community, and then also have more discussion about it.

So now that we have had your attention for a few minutes is it too presumptuous to ask what kind of priority we can get on coding development for FS? It's been awfully quite around this game for far too long I think most of us have noticed. Do players get the teaser of some talk and get to wait another 6+ months? A big 10 year anniversary is coming without a single peep, kind of a shame.

[Egami]

So now that we have had your attention for a few minutes is it too presumptuous to ask what kind of priority we can get on coding development for FS?

Off-topic.

Came back to say that support from the idea seems "alright" with 58% in favor.

But considering the difference is only 10 players and only us freaks bother... hope it goes to Home Page vote before any decision was made.

And yeah, I voted no.

[Pythia]

Please, what is coding development?  Is it different than the levels dropped into the game the first part of July?

 

It is different than master realms that were also added in July?  What about the FSH  update?

 

I have always considered that as coding development.  Now, I'm thinking I must be wrong about it.

Edited by Pythia, 21 July 2016 - 05:22.

[Pardoux]

Please, what is coding development?  Is it different than the levels dropped into the game the first part of July?

 

It is different than master realms that were also added in July?  What about the FSH  update?

 

I have always considered that as coding development.  Now, I'm thinking I must be wrong about it.

 

1. Content is done by BG

 

2. Master Realms are done by BG

 

Neither are "coding" as such

 

Coding Development is stuff done by Hoof (or others) that add depth to the game, more experiences to the game - stuff like composing etc etc

[Egami]

What about the FSH  update?

 

I have always considered that as coding development.  Now, I'm thinking I must be wrong about it.

 

To add to Pardoux's great response and get to this portion:

 

FSH is not HCS. It is HCS-approved but all the hard work is done voluntarily by players who are not HCS employees.

[mary4ever]

I am really disappointed that there was nothing more after hoofs post last month, really thought that finally that hoof "returned" there will be some actual coding done to increase activity due to some good ideas in some topics (plural)

 

I will not write a very long post since it might unfortunately fall on deaf ears like most, if not all post in several topics (plural)

 

I find it very sad that the devs do not even bother to try the composing pots in PvP / GvG for themselves like some players here suggested to see for themselves how negative they are in PvP / GvG, how the difference is between lvl 175 buffs / 350+ composing skills, ..... !!!

 

it's really not that difficult or "time consuming" to just try out composing & AFTER that tell us their experience & if they are fine with them in PvP / GvG !!! (it's been over a year since it has been 1st brought to their attention)

 

there are many topics (plural) posted by players / HCS to increase activity: mobile app, medals, daily quests & daily events, ......

there were many ideas accepted & we were told they were put on the "list" but some of them have been there for years !!

 

for the last 1,5 years my activity has been 1-2 days per month due to OP pots crippling PvP / GvG, especially composing, few days ago I did a titan hunt, chasing a "dot" for 40 min is not my "cup of tea" but I had to somehow spend my stamina to not overlow

for this global event I spent ALL my stamina & got 700k+ kills, not only to help the community, get frags & EPIC chests BUT mainly so I do not overflow with stamina & can go offline for weeks since there is currently NO game aspect in the game for me to play

 

for gods sake, this game needs updates, coding & not only global event after global event !!!

game needs actual coding, what happened to implementing some important / helpful FSH features into the game??? been 2-3 years ......

 

I have already posted my opinion in full about composing on how to "deal" with it in this thread: https://forums.hunte...e-5#entry964664

 

most importantly PLEASE start coding the ideas that you have already put on the "list" (grim kept telling us he put some ideas / improvements on the "list") & come to the forum regularly to discuss topics (plural) & "test" things yourself like you did in the past, really miss those old times !!!

I really ♥ this game & hope to continue playing it but we really need some actual coding !!!

Edited by mary4ever, 03 August 2016 - 04:35.

[bilops]

Note this is just a question based on what I've been reading. Is the main issue here that you feel the high level composed potions have an adverse affect on PvP? And a solution to this would be to restrict (or cap) some of the potions levels when using in PvP?

before I start, I am a 60 composer, was one of the first 10 to reach that level, until level 58 I bought my frags from farmers at 80-100 frags / 1 fsp, did global events every time with global booster 863, spent over 15k fsps to level composing, buy frags from farmers and 100s of frag stashes, I had 3 composing bugs that destroyed and took 1000s of my frags and I lost all my SE frags because of this bugs and HCS had to fix the bugs 3 times for me but never returned any lost frags back to me (biggrim can prove this, we talked many times about it)

 

last year after I got level 60 composer I started to pvp

 

pvp ladder band

there was a player who was always buffed with composing pots the whole time for 2 months, he always got first place after reset, I joined the ladder band and used my composing potions, for 1 month I got first place every time, the other composed player did not know how to pvp, only to keep himself with composing potions 24 / 7, I always got first place, he alwas got second place and the others in our band never hit us, they gave up because they had no chance against our overpowered composing skills, they only had 175 buffs lol

pvp activity only increased for me (and the players who used composing too)

for the others pvp activity decreased, they knew they did not stand a chance against our stats

 

pvp

2-3 weeks I hit for gold and prestige, won 100% of my battles with composing pots, less that 5% hit back but everyone lost against my composing pots

pvp activity only increased for me (using composing pots)

for the others pvp activity decreased

 

pvp bounty board

3 weeks there were bounties on me, more than 60 bounties expired, players stopped placing bounties on me because they would expire too, many bounty hunters took my bounties but nobody was able to clear one bounty, all expired, only 1 player started using epic global skills against me, after 20 straight losses he used composing potions too and after 2 hours he gave up, he won 4 times (everytime with 2 or more luck skills activate together), I deleveled many players defending on the BB, I never posted anyone, they lost enough against my composing skills

pvp activity only increased for me (using composing pots)

for the others pvp activity decreased

 

gvg

for 1 month I won all gvg attacks, I hit offline, online, unbuffed, fully buffed, in epics, in pvp setup, did not matter, I hit everyone in my range, I could not lose with composing pots against them and never lost, nobody attacked me for 1 month while I stayed in composing, after I stopped using composing pots gvgers started attacking me again

gvg activity only increased for me (using composing pots)

 

that was the last time I did any pvp, I retired from pvp, a pvp / gvg system where composing players have a win button against players who use 175 buffs, for gvg a composing player can easy win against a pvp setup players with full buffs, reason why many guilds stopped buffing members in gvg, this year and last year I was always attacked by a player with composing pots (ke, sh, coordinated attack, flinch,...........), a pvp / gvg system where there is no challenge

 

mary posted 1 or 2 years ago for composing activate only in pve or maximum level of composing in pvp be at 200

 

Is the main issue here that you feel the high level composed potions have an adverse affect on PvP?

yes, they do, but not only on pvp, gvg and bounty board too

 

And a solution to this would be to restrict (or cap) some of the potions levels when using in PvP?

in my opinion it is best to cap the potions at 200, players can have a better and fairer chance when they use buffs at 175 to 192 against them

 

seeing things live would be best for you hoof

look at gvg attacker when they attack, most of them use composing pots because it is safer, defender has no to little chance against them

look at the BB, gvg, pvp pladder when players use composing pots how easy they beat the other targets

 

this forum post is for hoof, answered his question here

how are you hoof, everything alright with you / family / company?

[Pardoux]

Excellent post ...

 

Awesome post Bilops - it's always great to see this kinda post backed up with actual experience.

 

Players have been stating, for ages, that the Composing Pots are way too overpowered for anything involving hitting other players - be that PvP, GvG, Ladder. These uber potions should only work in the PvE environment.

 

Let's hope that YOUR post has more success than most others have had on the subject

[yotwehc]

I guess my actual experience doesn't count Only those that agree with certain agenda's are appreciated.

[BadPenny]

I guess my actual experience doesn't count Only those that agree with certain agenda's are appreciated.

I appreciate your experiences.....

[Pardoux]

I guess my actual experience doesn't count Only those that agree with certain agenda's are appreciated.

 

I don't PvP, but I find it incredulous that with the right gear, and top of the range Composing potions, that you can lose against unbuffed (or "standard" buffed) players.

 

I just wish the cows (well, the chief Cow as in Hoof) would actually try it out - just run the numbers between an unbuffed 4 set setup, a "standard, L175" buffed, same gear setup and then the same setup again, with top-end composing potions.

 

If that happened, I think he'd have to agree - but, the issue is ... IF THAT HAPPENED ...

 

Seems Hoof only pops out of his time bubble once or twice a month to post encouraging comments and then disappears again

[yotwehc]

I don't PvP, but I find it incredulous that with the right gear, and top of the range Composing potions, that you can lose against unbuffed (or "standard" buffed) players.

I just wish the cows (well, the chief Cow as in Hoof) would actually try it out - just run the numbers between an unbuffed 4 set setup, a "standard, L175" buffed, same gear setup and then the same setup again, with top-end composing potions.

If that happened, I think he'd have to agree - but, the issue is ... IF THAT HAPPENED ...

Seems Hoof only pops out of his time bubble once or twice a month to post encouraging comments and then disappears again

Perhaps I don't have the right gear but I have lost many levels. I have mad respect for those that defeat me without the composed pots and I make it a point to compliment them via PM. As you can imagine it's incredibly frustrating to lose despite having "OP" pots and still get schooled but somehow it still happens (and I cycle through different sets to see if the other various combos may work better. Sometimes yes. Sometimes no). Also I was impressed that the previous poster was able to do all that he said he did until getting more info from bio. Lol. I wonder why people don't clear him? Hmmm. Lol.

[Pythia]

I'll probably be trolled again for this but such is life.

 

After being told I did not have enough experience in aspects of the game to be able to post on the forums, I went back to most quite observation.

 

I have read novels, small posts and so many others and when I got to the bottom line, the one where the buck stops, this is my take on most all of them.

 

   ..............This prevents me from playing the game the way I want, change it.....

 

Usually the same fingers typing, patting each other on the back for such great posts, but still the same thing in the end.

 

Sometimes there is a please, sometimes a demand, sometimes a beg....

 

But those posts are a lot like the ones I was schooled over whenever I asked for something.

 

Perhaps you should do what you told me to do......

 

Play the game or not, it's up to you..

 

By the way, to the person that told me to go play another game. I did too.   Back to watching and playing the other game.

[EpicPiety]

*Bunch of juicy TRUTH*

AMEN...Closes book.

[Pardoux]

   ..............This prevents me from playing the game the way I want, change it.....

 

and your stance on the subject is, if the change IS made ..

 

...................This prevents me from playing the game the way I want, change it ...

 

I really wish you'd put on a setup, be that a hunting setup, a gvg setup or a pvp setup and then do the following :-

 

1. Make a note of your ATT / DEF / ARM / DAM whilst only wearing the setup, with no active buffs

2. Buff yourself, or get buffed, with Level 175 buffs and note again those 4 stats.

3. Use some of those free, EOC Composing potions available to you and note the 4 stats again.

 

Now, look at the phenomenal difference between them. If you think that's a good thing for anything PvP related, then I think we'll just have to admit that we're diametrically opposed on this.

 

BTW - we're not talking about stopping you reaching Level 60 (by the turn of the century LOL), nor stopping you using those Uber Pots you make. The "desire" is either to

 

1. If used in PvE, to cap their efficacy to, say, Level 200

 

or, preferably, from an ease point of view

 

2. ONLY allow their use in PvE

[yotwehc]

and your stance on the subject is, if the change IS made ..

...................This prevents me from playing the game the way I want, change it ...

I really wish you'd put on a setup, be that a hunting setup, a gvg setup or a pvp setup and then do the following :-

1. Make a note of your ATT / DEF / ARM / DAM whilst only wearing the setup, with no active buffs
2. Buff yourself, or get buffed, with Level 175 buffs and note again those 4 stats.
3. Use some of those free, EOC Composing potions available to you and note the 4 stats again.

Now, look at the phenomenal difference between them. If you think that's a good thing for anything PvP related, then I think we'll just have to admit that we're diametrically opposed on this.

BTW - we're not talking about stopping you reaching Level 60 (by the turn of the century LOL), nor stopping you using those Uber Pots you make. The "desire" is either to

1. If used in PvE, to cap their efficacy to, say, Level 200

or, preferably, from an ease point of view

2. ONLY allow their use in PvE

At least you are being honest. You are interested in making the game more fun for yourself. Let the noobs suffer. Got it. Thanks