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[cucullainn]

Yup your missing that coa and cod buffs do not work with setups containing non set items meaning that inspite of the increased stats the hammer is still not a levelling item.

Secondary issue here is hammers used to have +35 master inventor enhancement why was this removed from the upgraded versions?

yes, was unaware of the master inventor enhancement. Hmm

As for coa and cod. With all the other buffs in this Game. And I have watched some low Lv players level or do PvP. With between 50 and 60 buffs. I myself have (with the right gear) leveled between 300 to 850 with out the need or use of coa or cod. Just saying.

[Filletminion]

yes, was unaware of the master inventor enhancement. Hmm

As for coa and cod. With all the other buffs in this Game. And I have watched some low Lv players level or do PvP. With between 50 and 60 buffs. I myself have (with the right gear) leveled between 300 to 850 with out the need or use of coa or cod. Just saying.

Just saying there is a cheap and an expensive way this hammer is expensive and to use it efficiently would add more unnecessary expense.

[cucullainn]

Just saying there is a cheap and an expensive way this hammer is expensive and to use it efficiently would add more unnecessary expense.

Yes. Well this wouldn't be FS if everyone didn't want their win button

[Filletminion]

Yes. Well this wouldn't be FS if everyone didn't want their win button

Except it does not achieve that. a level 325 / 420 weapon is a better hunting alternative, a level 100 epic is a better stam gain alternative making 32 hammers from scratch doing 4 invents to make each one and then 32 invents assuming no fails along the way For 1 extra stam gain is insanity..

[rowbeth]

Yes. Well this wouldn't be FS if everyone didn't want their win button

 

Except it does not achieve that. a level 325 / 420 weapon is a better hunting alternative, a level 100 epic is a better stam gain alternative making 32 hammers from scratch doing 4 invents to make each one and then 32 invents assuming no fails along the way For 1 extra stam gain is insanity..

 

I want my *lose* button.

 

Its just no fun hunting with 8 instead of 9 items for free. I want to pay lots to get a dud item to hunt with.

Edited by rowbeth, 20 November 2016 - 08:29.

[Undjuvion]

The stats on it are obviously, mostly irrelevant; unless the stats gets ludicrously high to make it useful for arena. Nobody is inventing 32 hammers to use this for leveling.

 

The xp gain would have to be very large for it to be useful over stam gain.

 

It would be great if there were a reason for anyone to want to keep the mid tier hammers, otherwise, since Inventor 2 doesn't work, there's functionally no difference between 5 tiers at 2 each, and 1 tier at 32 hammers.

 

grimnok, i will take a slightly rude tone to combat the way your msg can only come across to a recipient... irrelevant? do u see any item in the game as VERY useful if we take a deeper thought, even a regular eoc epic, u slap it on and get gain, some LE sets get used for 30 mins while hunting though u can use ones 1k+ levels lower than u, +7 more stam gain an hour overall does little, u gotta think a little bit about what u expect, i think what u all ask is for some kind of godly thing that the game revolves around and forgets every other aspect of the game, this is simply a very good epic for its level, better than other epics of their level WITH a difficulty to manufacture THO they reduced it due to whining, wake up people and stop living in fantasy land

[grimnok]

grimnok, i will take a slightly rude tone to combat the way your msg can only come across to a recipient... irrelevant? do u see any item in the game as VERY useful if we take a deeper thought, even a regular eoc epic, u slap it on and get gain, some LE sets get used for 30 mins while hunting though u can use ones 1k+ levels lower than u, +7 more stam gain an hour overall does little, u gotta think a little bit about what u expect, i think what u all ask is for some kind of godly thing that the game revolves around and forgets every other aspect of the game, this is simply a very good epic for its level, better than other epics of their level WITH a difficulty to manufacture THO they reduced it due to whining, wake up people and stop living in fantasy land

Items have 4 uses:

Arena

Not really useful here, the current stats are not much better than the classic hammer which is not real useful

 

Stam gain

It is 1 better stam gain for 900 levels; this is the only plausible value here, but the effort involved for a 'temporary' 1 stam gain is quite a lot.

 

PVP

Leveling

These both demand set pieces for anything close to optimal

[Undjuvion]

Items have 4 uses:

Arena

Not really useful here, the current stats are not much better than the classic hammer which is not real useful

 

Stam gain

It is 1 better stam gain for 900 levels; this is the only plausible value here, but the effort involved for a 'temporary' 1 stam gain is quite a lot.

 

PVP

Leveling

These both demand set pieces for anything close to optimal

 

ok, i could prob almost safely say that with a big EW pot that it could be fitted in with leveling, as for other areas, i look at the stats and see what IS immensely better, i guess it could maybe be working into arena IF the armor sets of those ranges are not weapon in use already, did u look to see if a weapon could even be used for arena if it was even armor damage? defense weapon in arena is prob near useless, as for pvp, i dont think when this is an EPIC item it is hugely or likely to be used for pvp much regardless, tho it is way more likely with its currently improved stats as pvpers would be switching and matching more than levelers like us, like i said, some expect too much of what is an EPIC ITEM, this is huge in some ways :-)

 

edit: its much nicer than even earth hammer if u combine stats of both, better max stamina, so its not just stam gain and xp gain.

Edited by Undjuvion, 20 November 2016 - 13:22.

[Leos3000]

I do not think this item is completely useless as some. I think the issue is that it is of little to no use to a lot of people.

 

To make this item it takes a lot of resources as collecting 32 EPICS is no easy feat for anyone... Most of the people who may have this ability are not interested in the item. The level range of players this is useful is 200-700 (max 1131) as I know that weapon trumps the hammer in stam gain. But players in this range tend to be newer players and collecting 32 epic items will not be a task that is reasonably completed by them. Sure it is possible, but is there a high motivation to do it? I do not think there is and that is the other issue.

[Undjuvion]

I do not think this item is completely useless as some. I think the issue is that it is of little to no use to a lot of people.

 

To make this item it takes a lot of resources as collecting 32 EPICS is no easy feat for anyone... Most of the people who may have this ability are not interested in the item. The level range of players this is useful is 200-700 (max 1131) as I know that weapon trumps the hammer in stam gain. But players in this range tend to be newer players and collecting 32 epic items will not be a task that is reasonably completed by them. Sure it is possible, but is there a high motivation to do it? I do not think there is and that is the other issue.

 

cool, i dont mind a bit of rational as a break down of what imo is positive, i dont think 32 hammers to invent is much as IT IS all ingame constantly correct? it is a luxury item imo for semi-useful reasons, it is cool to disagree, i think some yell too loudly about things that are imo irrelevant, u always did have a smart outlook in someways leos, even if it seems not that complicated in appearance to some :-)

[rowbeth]

... i dont think 32 hammers to invent is much as IT IS all ingame constantly correct? ...

 

There are some interesting questions of scale here.

 

At 32 hammers, there are enough hammers already in game (UFSG figures) for 26 tier-5 hammers. While the Baron is constantly in game, it is infrequent, and I reckon there are enough spawns to make only 18 tier-5 hammers per year (working below). That is pretty high-end luxury based on rarity. Maybe it is just as well it is only "semi-useful", as not many people will get to use it.

 

There are 6 Barons, spawning every 2-8 hours (say average of 4, accounting for spawn rate and efficiency of the community realising it has spawned). That gives 24 kills per day for the whole community.  3 baron items needed, with FI1k means 15 Baron kills to make one hammer (if you get the right three drops) which you then have to do 32 times (which makes getting the right three drops less of an issue). Assumming perfect luck (high enough master inventor) with the inventing, that means 20 days (using all the game's Baron drops) will make one tier-5 hammer.

Edited by rowbeth, 21 November 2016 - 07:18.

[Undjuvion]

There are some interesting questions of scale here.

 

At 32 hammers, there are enough hammers already in game (UFSG figures) for 26 tier-5 hammers. While the Baron is constantly in game, it is infrequent, and I reckon there are enough spawns to make only 18 tier-5 hammers per year (working below). That is pretty high-end luxury based on rarity. Maybe it is just as well it is only "semi-useful", as not many people will get to use it.

 

There are 6 Barons, spawning every 2-8 hours (say average of 4, accounting for spawn rate and efficiency of the community realising it has spawned). That gives 24 kills per day for the whole community.  3 baron items needed, with FI1k means 15 Baron kills to make one hammer (if you get the right three drops) which you then have to do 32 times (which makes getting the right three drops less of an issue). Assumming perfect luck (high enough master inventor) with the inventing, that means 20 days (using all the game's Baron drops) will make one tier-5 hammer.

 

nice research, i didnt begin to think that deeply tho i dont think that is prob too far from how i would have dreamt/liked it, seems good to me, obviously u think otherwise, well have to disagree, i did divert and say semi-useful, i am probably to kind to the whining, i think it is quite great, semi-useful is a wavelength OTHERS prob mean, i bet MANY of that range desire it, they would simply be lying to not, ask everyone of that range who is not being a person pleaser, they would love it :-)

 

 

edit: that want and desire is a good thing, with no strive there is no game :-)

Edited by Undjuvion, 21 November 2016 - 10:38.

[BigGrim]

Can you (HCS) also change the original 'Tier 0' version back to it's old animated image?

The new image for the unmodified hammer isn't an improvement.

 

Retro has added the animation back into the Inferno Hammers now.

 

Just looking through the feedback regarding these items.

[BigGrim]

Make the Flaming Baron spawn at least as often as most elites maybe?

 

No chance! People would then farm him for the items AND the SE Hunter medal. That can't be done, sorry. This as is should increase his popularity for hunting, which is fine.

 

The Stamina and XP gain on the Tiers have been updated and Tier 5 now has an addition of the enhancement Temporal Shift.

 

We hope you like these updates!

 

~ Grim

[TRBLmaker]

Put Baron in caves 

[Undjuvion]

Put Baron in caves 

 

why ruin something cool if ever, unless u joking

[TRBLmaker]

No i'm not . you need 32 Baron sets to make Tier 5 .. that's 96 items .

[Maj]

Retro has added the animation back into the Inferno Hammers now.

 

Just looking through the feedback regarding these items.

 

 

 

OT:

 

Can we make a humble request to Retro to animate some of the epics like Choker of Time, Mirkas Boots and the new Glob Encrusted Shield?

I suck at image editing and it took me around 40m using paint.net to come up with this:. Imagine what a skilled professional and motivated HCS employee like Retro can do.

Edited by Maj, 21 November 2016 - 15:45.

[BigGrim]

Can we make a humble request to Retro to animate some of the epics?

Not on the cards, no. This was replacing animation. Not brand new. He has plenty to work on on the run up to Christmas.

[Undjuvion]

No i'm not . you need 32 Baron sets to make Tier 5 .. that's 96 items .

 

fair enough, sorry it looks great to me :-)