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[Hoofmaster]

Why not have a beta to iron out all the kinks before introducing it as a global. That way it can be done right this time around. I'm not trying to put it down.. I appreciate the time that was put into it, and overall it was a great idea.. But it just had too many flaws.. If a beta was used in the first place, i think it could been a successful addition to the game. 

 

I enjoyed it for the most part but to do so i had to sink nearly 1k fsp in stamina and epic chests just to compete with the players 2000 levels above me. 

 

So, think it over.. Release it on a beta server.. And let us help you make seasons global work for everyone

 

We could probably run a beta of it within the real game - we'd just need to ensure that it didn't use stamina / damage items / give rewards during the beta. I think that would allow more people to try it out as well and we could figure out what works / doesn't and get good feedback on it?

[Leos3000]

We could probably run a beta of it within the real game - we'd just need to ensure that it didn't use stamina / damage items / give rewards during the beta. I think that would allow more people to try it out as well and we could figure out what works / doesn't and get good feedback on it?

Testing it before a full implementation would be great. You should have most of the code and groundwork done for a lot of this to happen soon hopefully?

[matt2269f]

i liked the seasons and even did well - yes there was some flaws but they could be worked out

 

   the auto bounty system was a flop as well as the cycling process(always cycled to same players over and over)

 

i was able to beat Some of the players a few hundred lvls above me

 

 maybe add a reducer to stats via lvl difference to balance out the big gaps in lvls  <<<< might not be a bad idea to the ladder as well   hahahaha 

 

also there is always the option of lvl brackets 

[Necra]

I had a lot of fun with this aspect of the game last year, and it was scraped, but was suppose to come back as a global. However The cows were not sure how to do this so it has been delayed.

 

I want to lay out a simple yet detailed way to get this aspect into the game.

 

 

1st and very importantly there has to be a new preference to Opt In/Out of these types of Globals (while I would like to see the whole community participate I realize some have no desire to and do not want to be forced to)

  possibly a reduced flash sale type thing during this event for a pvp protection

[Chazz224]

I am very against the idea of the "OPT - OUT feature" I don't feel the term should "EVER" be offered to players in this game. PvP is part of the game and as Leo has stated in this "Global Event" where the concept is to have fun and introduce people to the concept of "soft PvP" where no Xp is lost - I don't feel we need an Opt out feature - Especially since the Global Event will "select the targets based on the Global PvP Rating +/- 25 levels - So why do we need an opt out? 

 

If people are worried about being attacked - There is PvP Protection in which should remove / protect and also exclude people from this global event. I feel this way their character is safe from losing any XP. Even though this is a Pillow vs Pillow Global event since the idea is to give the community a taste of PvP it should - I promote the idea of XP loss here but its ok if we don't have it so more take part in it -but just like Hard core PvP where Protection removes the character I feel the same should apply here. 

 

Perhaps on a side note maybe HCS can do one of their "Flash Sales" for PvP Protection.

 

Question:

What is the purpose of the 5 min limit is this a type of Cool down to prevent mass hitting? The idea of a PvP Global is for mass hitting but we want to create a 5 min long wait time, why I don't understand?

 

If anything I'd suggest a 2 minute wait time in between hits and the 50k gold sounds fine for the skip - but does this increase with each skip as composing does? I'm curious if it will have that progressive increase? 50k than 100k than 200k and so on with each skip or will it just be a straight 50k each time? Also please explain why would someone want to skip another player?

 

Just tally the player's wins - I feel if losses some how count this maybe too difficult to code for our devs - keep things simple. 

 

I also approve of the idea of how the game selects your targets nice idea regarding the +/- 25 levels of your rating and I agree with keeping deflect out of the global event as well, these are my thoughts but overall I think this idea has the best of intentions - again I would like to see Xp and bounty board but as a Global Event perhaps this would be too much for the community, and I also think having an event is really good and better than not having one. So I'm in support of most of the ideas here - Nice job Leo

 

- Chazz 

Edited by Chazz224, 03 December 2016 - 05:11.

[Pardoux]

 

I am very against the idea of the "OPT - OUT feature" I don't feel the term should "EVER" be offered to players in this game. PvP is part of the game and as Leo has stated in this "Global Event" where the concept is to have fun and introduce people to the concept of "soft PvP" where no Xp is lost - I don't feel we need an Opt out feature - Especially since the Global Event will "select the targets based on the Global PvP Rating +/- 25 levels - So why do we need an opt out?

 

 

Why not ? - you have an opt-out for :-

 

Arena

SE Hunting

Composing
Levellingi

Titan Hunting

 

These are just as much as part of the game, if not more so, than PvP is ...

 

I think it's very disingenuous of you to want to "force" players to partake in the area of the game that YOU enjoy whilst not being yourself forced into others ??

[rowbeth]

It is also very arrogant of anyone to think they know better than others what those others will enjoy.

 

I already know how "PVP" and "my enjoyment" don't mix. And 4 months at EOC with no new content have taught me that the reason for this goes way beyond any thoughts of experience loss

[rowbeth]

Everytime I hear "PVP is part of the game", I hear a very cogent and convincing argument in favour of making it just like everything else that "is part of the game": completely optional.

[Necra]

i dont titan hunt and i dont SE hunt didnt know there was an opt out button for those like the ladder......   just because you dont like an aspect of a game no reason to partake.  there is pvp protection for those against your will situations....  like the opt out for the pvp ladder.

  that was kinda ridiculous.....

[Pythia]

There is not an opt-out of PvP, there is half an opt-out of PvP.  A real opt-out would be just that.... An OPT-OUT. 

 

No hits of any kind..

 

That is not going to happen and I know it, so please stop pushing to force me into taking part of something I do not enjoy.

 

I don't force you to take part in the parts of the game I enjoy. That's up to you when you are ready to go somewhere else in search of new targets.

[wil72]

There is not an opt-out of PvP, there is half an opt-out of PvP.  A real opt-out would be just that.... An OPT-OUT. 

 

No hits of any kind..

 

That is not going to happen and I know it, so please stop pushing to force me into taking part of something I do not enjoy.

 

I don't force you to take part in the parts of the game I enjoy. That's up to you when you are ready to go somewhere else in search of new targets.

 

Opt out of PvP = loss of edge. Fallen Sword, I would think as I have no experience, becomes like any other game....dull.

 

Sit there in your stam gear, don't make allies that will buff you through the day when you are not on line, don't make friends that will hit your BB posts. Don't really play the game. No consequence. Be a robot.

 

What a bloody bore.

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

[Pythia]

You enjoy the aspects of the game you like Will,  I must always be looking over my shoulder for a mugger.

 

I came here to play a simple game while other things were going on in my life, I don't need an edge in the game, I need an edge in the freaking real world, and that's what I'm fighting for.

 

PvP in a game holds no interest for someone like me who has feet on the ground and a head tilted to the stars. There is so much more to hold my interest in my real fight.

[wil72]

You enjoy the aspects of the game you like Will,  I must always be looking over my shoulder for a mugger.

 

I came here to play a simple game while other things were going on in my life, I don't need an edge in the game, I need an edge in the freaking real world, and that's what I'm fighting for.

 

PvP in a game holds no interest for someone like me who has feet on the ground and a head tilted to the stars. There is so much more to hold my interest in my real fight.

 

I am sorry Pythia and please forgive my frankness but comparing a game to real life is ridiculous and has no relevance, in my opinion, during a PvP debate or any other "game" discussion. It is purely emotional.

 

At the end of the day if you disagree with any mechanic in the/a game you have a choice....don't log in again.

 

That is not the case in "real life" so comparing a game to the later is a non starter.

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

[Belaric]

This comment of mine is cut and pasted from a locked thread on this topic, but I think it is relevant

 

 

"I think a 5 day season would work as a global. Including a season based auto BB etc. Go the whole hog and let it play out. Have community goals for total hits made, and individual hit goals set also. Go for it. Have a hit leader board for extra rewards.

 

If folk don't like the idea of the auto BB, just drop it, I'm not wildly fussed. It might be fun though.

 

But all the coding is there, so I'd hope it could be activated without too much extra work. A PvP global is long overdue, I think that side of the game needs it.  The global may help more people get into that aspect of the game too. Maybe not me - but who knows? More activity is good at this stage. 

 

In the end I think it would be good for the game to have a 5 day season global, or make it 7 day if that allows the mechanics to play out better. Also allow ticks toward the season medals to be achieved, that will also draw in players.

 

Ultimately every player will decide whether or not to participate, as is the case for all globals. Medal ticks, extra rewards for placing on the leader board/ in the various tiers, if they were retained, would be cool. If the seasons BB is not used for the duration of the event the question would be would global hits be bountyable on the regular BB? I would say no, as possibly getting dropped 5 for participating in a community event seems counter to the idea of fostering community participation. But if folk argue for it strenuously we can let it play out and see how it affects player participation. That will be the true reflection of the global's success, and the rules could be tweaked going forward based on the experience.

 

Just don't take forever over it folks!"

[yotwehc]

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At the end of the day if you disagree with any mechanic in the/a game you have a choice....don't log in again.

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Nice attitude. Don't like it? Quit.

[Belaric]

I am sorry Pythia and please forgive my frankness but comparing a game to real life is ridiculous and has no relevance, in my opinion, during a PvP debate or any other "game" discussion. It is purely emotional.

 

At the end of the day if you disagree with any mechanic in the/a game you have a choice....don't log in again.

 

That is not the case in "real life" so comparing a game to the later is a non starter.

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

 Bolded for emphasis.

 

wil72 - yes real life comparisons are difficult in FS. And yes, game mechanics are there and folk should be realistic about them. But advising someone not to log in again? Good plan. There is a reason why we are down to 350 people online now. Telling someone to 'suck it up' isn't going to encourage them to stay, and we need every player nowadays. PvP players and level oriented players alike have left the game, and for both styles of player (and all the other types of player - FS is a big tent!) part of that reason has been they have felt the mechanics of the game have failed them, especially changes to those mechanics. We should be able to talk about them (mechanics of the game and how they effect us) without ultimatums being invoked. Unless losing some of our remaining hardcore players is what is desired.

 

Lets keep what we have and build back up, if possible. I know HCS would like that!

[Pythia]

I'll agree to disagree  with you about my choice of words to describe how I feel about a PvP hit that takes part of the enjoyment out of the game  for me.

 

We all desire to play the aspects of the game we enjoy, I am no different.

 

There are some suggestions put forth that would truly undercut player enjoyment except for hard core PvP players. I see why they ask for things they ask for.   I'm somewhat disappointment that others are not accorded the same.

 

As to game and real life, well that is something else, my account was originally made to pass the time between other battles, little did I know there was PvP in this game. I did read what I saw... all of what I saw.

 

I found I liked the game and enjoyed playing, it wasn't hard to grasp the basics, it still isn't.

 

There is a wide variety of players to be found in this game and it is wrong to try and force everyone to play every aspect just because some want it to be that way.

 

There should also be a line added to the other aspects of the game that says something about PvP, it is proper notice to incoming players, after all.

Edited by Pythia, 03 December 2016 - 18:05.

[rowbeth]

At the end of the day if you disagree with any mechanic in the/a game you have a choice....don't log in again.

 

Rather an intriguing comment, Wil, for a thread that is trying to change the game mechanics and made to a player who is opposing that attempted change.

[wil72]

Oooh, the umbrage!

 

Have I hit a nerve? GOOD.

 

At the end of the day if a player is always, constantly, never-endingly berating a certain aspect of the game then they have that choice as they are clearly unhappy with the game.

 

Ah well, it's now my turn to say that the comment has been taken out of context. As it was used to show the patheticness when using a comparison between real life and Fallen Sword..........I kinda knew it would be jumped all over

 

And opposing a change to certain game mechanics is one thing, suggesting its annihilation is another.

 

What's the title of this thread? Oh yeah, PvP Seasons as a Global. Yes please. And if you do HCS I promise to improve my attitude.

 

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

[Belaric]

LOL