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[activeh1]

lets make it that if u dont hit anyone in ladder within a 24 hr period you get nothing or kicked out

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WAIT FOR THE RAGE

[Ryebred]

I like this. I can however see it resulting in a drop off in numbers in what's laughable already. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat. So my vote would be no reward if no activity

Edited by Ryebred, 25 October 2017 - 07:31.

[Ryebred]

I've been the only one on my ladder several times...would hate to cheat myself out of the free reward, so rescind my vote...can't be hypocritical

[activeh1]

or min of 10 hits or no reward ?

[BadPenny]

or min of 10 hits or no reward ?

Like rye said, there are often bands with a population of 1.  As such, there's nobody to hit.  And I have also been the only active player on a band.   Although I commend you on bringing up that the ladder is just another part of the  grocery list of things that should be addressed B.T.A., this would be a very bad solution....  Discussion is good though, it helps hoof gauge what the community might want...  but remember not to hold your breath, as I don't foresee anything major till A.T.A.... 

 

I do foresee it being unfashionably late though.

[Shadow19231]

imho people who actually engage in a fight SHOULD get rewarded. But as of late i've been in two PvP bands and it's nothing but win traders farming free points. Those are the kind of people who shouldn't get a reward

[EpicPiety]

imho people who actually engage in a fight SHOULD get rewarded. But as of late i've been in two PvP bands and it's nothing but win traders farming free points. Those are the kind of people who shouldn't get a reward

Alot of ranges are stagnant that's why seasons were spawned because the current ladder is stale.

[Ryebred]

imho people who actually engage in a fight SHOULD get rewarded. But as of late i've been in two PvP bands and it's nothing but win traders farming free points. Those are the kind of people who shouldn't get a reward

I get the "You can have first, don't have to keep hitting me"  pm's all the time when on ladder.  Doesn't make a difference.  I want to hit every hour on the hour, unfortunately sleep gets in the way of this goal.  I'll be back in it soon, and demonstrate how to behave proper when opted in. 

[BigGrim]

I get the "You can have first, don't have to keep hitting me"  pm's all the time when on ladder.

But....you're on the PvP Ladder. Surely you're there to engage in PvP? Right? Right?!?

~ Grim

[Ryebred]

But....you're on the PvP Ladder. Surely you're there to engage in PvP? Right? Right?!?

~ Grim

100% correct, that is how it was designed to function.  However, most players are happy to get 2-4 w/o ever taking a swing for the ladder tokens.  Maybe a better fix is only awarding the dominant one in each ladder (1st)  or top 2, would give six people more incentive to compete

[leefylee]

I've been the only one on my ladder several times...would hate to cheat myself out of the free reward, so rescind my vote...can't be hypocritical

if you are on the ladder alone you should get no rewards 

 

this is from ladder description>>> Note that only players who have either attacked or defended will be included in the ladder. 

 

so lone ladder entrants and ladders where no one swings shouldn't get rewards 

Edited by leefylee, 25 October 2017 - 15:48.

[BadPenny]

if you are on the ladder alone you should get no rewards 

 

this is from ladder description>>> Note that only players who have either attacked or defended will be included in the ladder. 

 

so lone ladder entrants and ladders where no one swings shouldn't get rewards 

And explain why random guy alone in his/her band should be penalized because nobody else stepped up?  This is the flaw in the ladder I most objected to.  The old way, PvP was open and every win or loss counted. As it is now if nobody but you shows up, you pay the price.  That's unfair in every way possible.  Opt-in is too limited for such restrictions to be imposed.  There needs to be a better way to encourage activity. And no, I have no ideas.  Between this and the obligatory hourly 100 stam hits involved, the ladder is anathema to me... No thanks.

Edited by BadPenny, 25 October 2017 - 16:35.

[leefylee]

And explain why random guy alone in his/her band should be penalized because nobody else stepped up?  This is the flaw in the ladder I most objected to.  The old way, PvP was open and every win or loss counted. As it is now if nobody but you shows up, you pay the price.  That's unfair in every way possible.  Opt-in is too limited for such restrictions to be imposed.  There needs to be a better way to encourage activity. And no, I have no ideas.  Between this and the obligatory hourly 100 stam hits involved, the ladder is anathema to me... No thanks.

its not me who is punishing them, thats the rules if only 1 opt in then they should get nowt....

if only 1 opts in the arena it dont start till its places are full, so if only 1 opts into ladder by time it resets then that band should be null and void

[Ryebred]

its not me who is punishing them, thats the rules if only 1 opt in then they should get nowt....

if only 1 opts in the arena it dont start till its places are full, so if only 1 opts into ladder by time it resets then that band should be null and void

I can get behind no action no tokens, but dominance tics should still apply.  If you are alone on a ladder you are still dominating it.  When lone participant standing occurs it's typically because they were competing, and the rest of the people who were idle collecting tokens bailed due to loss not matching the residual rewards. 

[Josh1404]

Or perhaps instead of this, we should close the loophole that people can opt in with donation potions running make a few hits and cowardly scarper via a PvP protection purchase before they become an easier target.

 

Just saying.

 

Though I agree that those alone on a ladder shouldn't receive anything besides dominance. After all, they did absolutely nothing. They don't need or deserve a reward for that.

[Egami]

You don't need to hit anybody to be involved in PvP. 

 

Though I agree that those alone on a ladder shouldn't receive anything besides dominance. After all, they did absolutely nothing. They don't need or deserve a reward for that.

 

Disagree Josh, they took the risk. Something the others in their range didn't. 

[leefylee]

You don't need to hit anybody to be involved in PvP. 

 

 

Disagree Josh, they took the risk. Something the others in their range didn't. 

your'e right you dont need to HIT anyone to be involved in PVP.. but you need to defend a hit at least..

 

its called the PVP ladder, if there is no second player involved how can it possibly  be PVP.

 

otherwise they may as well change the ladder name to the token ladder

[BadPenny]

kinda proves my premise that it's 99% flawed in concept.

[watagashi]

*checks his watch*

Wow for a second there I thought I went back in time 4 years.


I dont really like the idea mainly because its not that one players fault nobody is playing. The whole thing was part of "fix the pvp ladder" V7.3 or was it 8.1? I forget,,,

But the long and short rather than punishing the people who still bother to opt in why not make it worth fighting for again??
There was lots of ideas to incorporate it into the metagame including one I made suggesting that a player can only be hit one time for rating and unless they attack and win they are no longer a rating giving target, Basically the ladder resets and a bunch of hitting goes on,, and bountys, and then for a couple days the ones that want to fight over it. There were lots of other suggestions on how to fix it then. 
There were also suggestions to add more gear and potions,,, in fact I got a forum gag over fighting about whether they should be bound,, like no other part of the games pots are (were) or b bound because the non pvpers were hating on it still even then.
I suggested the rating system was pretty much based on who could hit more times a day and spend more than who actually knew the mechanics and pushed their limits  (still think  level 100 who beats a 1k is a better fighter than the guy who bought a copy what I was wearing FROM ME and every buff in the game then hit a small cross section of pvpers who actually opted in. 
I suggested pvp events,, then missed the one that was done. 
Lots of people suggested things but somehow when suggestions were asked for on titan hunting the feedback of titan hunters was taken into account. When suggestions for fledgling composing was asked for,, people who were composings suggestions were taken into account,,, when pvp suggestions was asked for people who have never attacked anyone gave feedback on how to limit those who do even more than it already was and it was taken into account,,, I ranted all about it wayyyyy back then. (not even going to go into GvG and the pathetic amount of inactive gear mules there are now that they dont have to be involved in gvg anymore but still are contributing to the guild as the store,, how many times a week do I hear how few targets most of the game has now for that?)

And guess what??? Back then most bands were about as active as they are now. There was more "taking turns" back then,, nowdays when someone says they intend to win this one most of us yawn and wave. How many bands have people sitting in epics? Everyone who opts in takes the risk that someone will want to pad the smasher medal but most times 10s are what being thrown now. 

Some of us stay in as their own little protest that everyone should be in,,, and I still do

I wonder,, did anyone keep track of all the players who were going to quit over pvp? Where are they??


So if you skipped to this part because you heard all my ranting long ago,,, add gear,, add more unbound pots,, give rating for attacks over your level epecially bountys (when did it get totally wussed out and bountys taken off ladder???) and get the pvp events going again. Then it wil be worth fighting over. 
Otherwise ask Zorg,, who somehow got opted in a couple weeks back and didnt hit nor wear full gear suited for his level but made 3rd. I think he deserved it

 

[activeh1]

Or perhaps instead of this, we should close the loophole that people can opt in with donation potions running make a few hits and cowardly scarper via a PvP protection purchase before they become an easier target.

 

Just saying.

 

Though I agree that those alone on a ladder shouldn't receive anything besides dominance. After all, they did absolutely nothing. They don't need or deserve a reward for that.

why cant i do that the others just sit there and do nothing if i want to 100 stam them every hour for 6 hours then opt out at least im hitting

 

  my fsp can use potions anyway i want

 

 They are just lucky there is another in there or would all be 1 guild framing the token ladder from1500-1999

 

Instead of every hour make it 10 mins then see them actually try ?

Edited by activeh1, 26 October 2017 - 08:11.