Posted 09 December 2017 - 16:26
Think it's clear from my last post though that the "first" needs to go on the game-wide announced date of December 15.
Agree to this one. Date is already cast and people are saving stam for that. If you are going to divide it,do it to dec 15, and w/e other date u decide to. I guess the dec 15 one would be to burn some stam to others, and the other one to use christmass dots/potions and reserve stamina for full experience.
Posted 09 December 2017 - 16:34
Having not read any post since yours... I just burned down stam to be at full on the officially announced Dec 15 date.
Without thinking too much, I think the spread to 2 double XPs might not be a bad idea.
However, I'd like to suggest that the "first" go as announced on December 15. The 2nd could then be whenever after the gifts are delivered.
Just because you burned your stamina anticipating the event to be at that date doesn't mean the cows should adhere to you. They have to do what is best for the game as a whole. If they feel an event prior to the delivery of FSP is a poorly thought out idea. Which most people agree it is. Then it makes sense to change it. Ultimately that has to be the bottom line.
No date or solution will fit perfectly with everyone in the game. That isn't possible.
Posted 09 December 2017 - 16:38
Ok! something totally different! Deliver the current FSP offer just before the Double XP event. Then come back immidiately after it ends and offer a FSP New Years offer. Would realy financially make sense, since a lot of christmas gifts a monentary and people are just dying to spend those gifts right away. That shoul make every one HAPPY!!!!
Posted 09 December 2017 - 16:45
Just because you burned your stamina anticipating the event to be at that date doesn't mean the cows should adhere to you.
Except that it was an official game-wide announcement on the HP and still on the HP. Are they really going to backstep for a handful of people?
More info coming....
Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:03
Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:07
Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:10
So, here's the reality up to Hoof's post:
In favor of changing the announced 2XP start date: 9 posts.
Against changing the announced 2XP start date: 13 posts.
Please note, that I did NOT bother to take note of the idea to change the delivery date on the Xmas offer.
So, what's clear from these posts is that the start date, according to posts here, should NOT be changed.
Further, I have ONLY taken note of petitions for or against here in this thread PRIOR to hoof's post. A lot of us have info both for and against from FS players.
In any case, I don't think the opinion of 22 players total (note there are more that didn't specifically state their opinion on the start date and that I leaned towards giving leeway to those voting for the change because of the delivery date) is at all representative of a community that has around 300 players online.
Obviously, I already made my game decision based on an official homepage announcement.
I would suggest that there are currently 126 posts. Very many of those are repeats from peeps like myself and Grim and one from Hoof.
This thread does NOT hit even 33% of the online FS game community.
So it stands to reason that the FS Community is NOT participating in this discussion. Up to this post, 13 against changing the date and 9 in favor.
It's another question entirely on the delivery date. I gave my opinion on that already and could "mostly" care less.
The point is that a date change on the start date (and I have to admit, I'd go further since it was officially announced to roll for 4 days starting on December 15) will screw over... how much of the FS population?
Don't really know, but can say that 67% of the ONLINE
Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:17
Cow has given away pots all year either by Globals or anniv/Holidays so I`m surprised that the debate could even be over pots as i have tons of them. As for the event, Cow does not even have to give one and splitting up one is ridiculous. Everyone that has played this game for any length of time knows appx. when the XP events start and this excuse of saving up stam is also ridiculous.
Now, I was under the impression that Cows did the special xp/pots just to coincide with these to make money and I`m happy to hear that it is more than that. Everytime we have an "Event" the same ones seem to come up with some sort of complaint since it does not agree with that persons schedule.
I for one think cows should not change anything as "CAVING" for a handful of Players that know full well this is coming is what causes games like this to eventually shut down. I don`t care if your 250k stam isn`t full or you have wasted all your "great" gift pots on something else than this event. It seems like a few need some advantage rather than trying to save up for something Special. RED
Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:22
Since it seems that we are using this as an unofficial poll, I am for the changes. I was making preparations that have been more in line with prior years dates.
Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:23
Post.
Just because they have not posted also doesn't mean you can assume that a change to the initially proposed date would "screw them over". Most people don't post on the forum but that's for various reasons. You can't assume all people who have not posted are fine with the date just because they haven't outwardly cast any dismay towards it. We can't assume anything about the people who have not posted. Not saying they can be disregarded because of that but you can't just use them to back your opinion. They literally have said nothing in support or disagreement with that date so I don't think that's a fair assumption to make.
Also it's hardly a backtrack. It's not a promise nor a guarantee. It's a proposed date. In life and in game when doing something on that day doesn't work it gets changed.
It's another question entirely on the delivery date. I gave my opinion on that already and could "mostly" care less.
* Couldn't care less.
Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:28
@Egami
Your analysis is too flawed to be mean anything.
Most of the game players do not post in the forum for many reasons, among them:
They do not read the forum
They have read one or more posts that echo their thoughts so don't want to repeat them
They do not like being ridiculed for voicing their thoughts / concerns
They go to Facebook for game info (also not a good sampling place as many do not go to FB)
They do not use English as a 1st language and are embarrassed to post (props to those that do try)
Edit: Josh were you reading my post as I typed it?
Edited by Lahona, 09 December 2017 - 17:31.
Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:32
@Egami
Your analysis is too flawed to be mean anything.
Most of the game players do not post in the forum for many reasons, among them:
They do not read the forum
They have read one or more posts that echo their thoughts so don't want to repeat them
They do not like being ridiculed for voicing their thoughts / concerns
They go to Facebook for game info (also not a good sampling place as many do not go to FB)
They do not use English as a 1st language and are embarrassed to post (props to those that do try)
+1.
Couldn't agree more. Skewing statistics assuming the opinions of these people is truly ridiculous.
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Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:36
@Egami
Your analysis is too flawed to be mean anything.
Most of the game players do not post in the forum for many reasons, among them:
They do not read the forum
They have read one or more posts that echo their thoughts so don't want to repeat them
They do not like being ridiculed for voicing their thoughts / concerns
They go to Facebook for game info (also not a good sampling place as many do not go to FB)
They do not use English as a 1st language and are embarrassed to post (props to those that do try)
Edit: Josh were you reading my post as I typed it?
Just because they have not posted also doesn't mean you can assume that a change to the initially proposed date would "screw them over". Most people don't post on the forum but that's for various reasons. You can't assume all people who have not posted are fine with the date just because they haven't outwardly cast any dismay towards it. We can't assume anything about the people who have not posted. Not saying they can be disregarded because of that but you can't just use them to back your opinion. They literally have said nothing in support or disagreement with that date so I don't think that's a fair assumption to make.
Also it's hardly a backtrack. It's not a promise nor a guarantee. It's a proposed date. In life and in game when doing something on that day doesn't work it gets changed.
* Couldn't care less.
Statistics can be great, but they are almost always misleading.
Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:37
i bought the offer but im more for the event as it is 15 december the double xp and the packs a week later it is better with the holidays in mind and offcourse some of us still need to work 2x 2 double xp events is also terrible 48 hours is just not good you cows had a idea about the event just let it stay like it
Edited by Terrordog, 09 December 2017 - 17:39.
Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:38
Maybe we could do 2 x 48 hour events this year instead? That might actually give more people a chance to take part (i.e) 48 hours starting on Friday 22nd shortly after the Christmas Special Offer is delivered and then maybe another 48 hours between Christmas and New Year. Thoughts?
Hopefully there'll be sufficient content for those of us at EOC to make use of that then ? 
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Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:43
@Josh and Lahona, totally agree. So, let's forget all about that. 9 for a date change and 13 against. Guess that's clear enough, right?
And ya know, I just looked at the offer... In the shop it costs $60 for 400 FSP. This offer makes 400 FSP cost only $30, plus a bonus package.
Posted 09 December 2017 - 17:57
No one "appears" to be questioning the offer.
Your 9/13 for/against is still meaningless (not "clear" at all).
How is that not clear at all?
41% of those having stated an opinion in this post have said they want the date "changed" from the officially announced date of December 15.
59% have stated they want it to stay as is.
Clear majority against. *rolls eye*
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Posted 09 December 2017 - 18:06
How is that not clear at all?
41% of those having stated an opinion in this post have said they want the date "changed" from the officially announced date of December 15.
59% have stated they want it to stay as is.
Clear majority against. *rolls eye*
I see the point you're trying to make here, E. The problem with this, though, is that the forums hold "Undercoverage bias." Not saying that certain people are(n't) biased for or against the change one way or another, but you can't accurately and effectively put a statistical percentage to the population of the entire FS community. Sure - only 22 people have voiced their opinion on whether they're for/against it, but those 22 can't accurately represent everyone else. That would be like trying to call the forum-goers the "senate" of FS.
From a point-blank standpoint, sure - lots are going to want it to stay the date that it is because they prepared for that date. On the other hand, though, people who buy the FSP for the hunting potions are going to want to use their presents for getting them closer to EoC or through new content (maybe, moo-moos?) for those currently at EoC. The hunt optimization is on those peoples' minds. Not to mention, a lot of those people who will be hunting during the 2x XP event will be those who are spending money. From a fiscal standpoint, as far as the cow's go, it makes sense for them and their company to appease those who are going to spend more - as bad as that may sound. It just makes sense for them as an institution.
Posted 09 December 2017 - 18:07
Whatever gets me some dots that I have already purchased before dxp and makes it so the cows don't have to come in on Christmas! just make sure it's announced before the offer falls off if you split it and I'll buy some more for your guys effort!I'll have a chat with BigGrim about it on Monday, but yeah I think the majority of players would prefer to receive their Christmas Special Offer purchases before the event. We were just trying to avoid running it over Christmas day
Maybe we could do 2 x 48 hour events this year instead? That might actually give more people a chance to take part (i.e) 48 hours starting on Friday 22nd shortly after the Christmas Special Offer is delivered and then maybe another 48 hours between Christmas and New Year. Thoughts?
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