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[BigGrim]

ecolitan said

If I get players to come to the forum and state their opinions on this, is it worth their effort? Is this thread for this discussion? Should another be started?

It's always worth it for Players to come to the forums. A lot don't because they get jumped on by other players.

As for the thread, I've already stated that this is not the thread for it. This is for feedback regarding the Content itself, not the speed of it.

[Phyrexia]

ecolitan said

[1]I'm not going to comment on the merchanting because you have assumed that only the supply changes with this. That's not true. The eventual impact is harder to decipher as demand is changing as well.

[2]I agree that this change makes energy rare. In fact, if the pace is as declared and truly continues, it will require purchasing energy to get to EoC. The question is, is super-rare energy desirable? I will just take your assumptions about the results of this and post them:

[3]Less participants in SF
Less participants in Behemoth Hunting
Less participants in Artifact Game

While I will agree that forcing players to make choices is of interest, I would categorically declare that if less people do all these things it is BAD for the game.

@[1]: This is no assumption but simply what I see in TH. Compared with times where content was released slowly, market was overflooded with drops and sets after 2 weeks. At the moment I can see only few players with 300 set. If I check TH only very few sets are available (for insane prices), drops are still @5 FC each, if lower they are sold almost immediately even though there is new content (with new sets and new drops). Former days with release of new content drops of elites from old content dropped below price of 1 FC... If this is a single phenomena I might be wrong, that will show up during next weeks :-)

@[2]: I think it's not being EOC what ppl are looking for, but beeing first in top rated players. And I don't know many Browser Games where this is different: if you wanna reach top (not end of game) you have to pay for it, if the game offers the possibility to pay (at least being premium account or s.th. like that). If it comes that players pay for energy to get to top, is the reason that there is that much content or is the reason that there are others paying for energy as well? Is the distance of a marathon the reason why ppl pay more money for training, equipment, doping substances or just the fact that others do as well to compete?

@[3]: From that point of view I agree to your opinion...

[ecolitan]

Phyrexia said

@[1]: This is no assumption but simply what I see in TH. Compared with times where content was released slowly, market was overflooded with drops and sets after 2 weeks. At the moment I can see only few players with 300 set. If I check TH only very few sets are available (for insane prices), drops are still @5 FC each, if lower they are sold almost immediately even though there is new content (with new sets and new drops). Former days with release of new content drops of elites from old content dropped below price of 1 FC... If this is a single phenomena I might be wrong, that will show up during next weeks :-)

This is why I said it's impossible to know yet. What is being observed here is the supply change. It is unclear how much the demand change will counteract that. There is one, just too hard to tell what it will be sizewise. Remember, in the past some factions made 10 or more Elite sets per content and USED them. The USED emphasizing there was demand for those as well. In the immediate aftermath of the content surge, supply will reduce first as there are still lots of players in the third to last content that want 300 sets immediately. But, will that be true in the future? Hard to tell. That was all I said: that you assumed this would continue into the future and we don't know that yet.

Phyrexia said

@[2]: I think it's not being EOC what ppl are looking for, but beeing first in top rated players. And I don't know many Browser Games where this is different: if you wanna reach top (not end of game) you have to pay for it, if the game offers the possibility to pay (at least being premium account or s.th. like that). If it comes that players pay for energy to get to top, is the reason that there is that much content or is the reason that there are others paying for energy as well? Is the distance of a marathon the reason why ppl pay more money for training, equipment, doping substances or just the fact that others do as well to compete?

The analogies don't really apply. But, my point remains - it is possible that the pace declared to be how it will be going forward will require purchasing energy (not paying to upgrade but continuously purchasing energy) to stay close to EoC. This in itself may or may not be a problem but was merely pointed out to lead to what you numbered 3).

Phyrexia said

@[3]: From that point of view I agree to your opinion...

Since BG says this is the wrong thread for full discussion of this I'll try to get one up later for real discussion on this. Hopefully it remains civil and MATTERS.

[Maury Bund]

Link it here, if you do, eco.

[centurion]

not complaining about too much content, but I am finding after doing nothing but pure lvling for few weeks, I am getting new perspective in this. In the past, I've lvl'd new content in few days and did what I liked to do, so had different gameplay experience. I guess there is no reason for me to be at EOC, so I will change my playing habit to doing what I like to do. I like to elite hunt, so I will go back to doing that. 20 lvl content between elite does make it tougher, but doing it at my own pace is ok.

I have more issue with lack of variety in content. just because content is growing vertically does not make it more fun. I also understand the limitation of content creator have on hand.

1) I would love to see more creativity in content. while current storyline is ok, you should be able to come up with 2500 energy burning mission that uses old maps and old drops. you should not have to do mind numbing job of killing dumb mob time after time to lvl up. Would love to see horizontal growth in content. For example. I made the behemoth weapon, and found doing that was fun.

2) fix SF so that it is more desirable: There are several way to do this. heckyou could even give xp as prize for SF. (may be the SF token could be turned in for xp like 100 point for 1lvl perhaps) currently, there is no real reward in SF worth doing. I've originally asked for some farming while SF, etc to attract more player. current content makes it even harder to do SF.

3) more variety on sets. currently, certain sets are only good for certain class. high dmg set for soldier/borg and high att set for puries/muties. this make it so that you will use your set for 40+ lvls. would love to see some add on sets regualrly. makes SF gear worth more too.

[acidic]

BigGrim said

acidic said

I think an easy one would be adding many more consumable stims that may be farmed by lower level player to supply the rest of the game. I am pretty sure this would greatly improve FC purchases and help your aims and ours.

There's little point adding yet more stims of Skills that everyone can get through the Core Skill line. We will try to look at new skill for stims.

MY point was to add additional levels out of reach for the core buffs like a strike MK3 or something.... There is no in game economy to allow non donating player to reap FC from donating players. Likewise, donating players have little to spend their FC on.

BigGrim said

acidic said

I also thought that some more story would be great - perhaps even some story that begins at higher levels and makes you travel backwards for completion like many of the epic quest suggestions.

More story? There's tons of story in the missions.

Indeed!!! I meant some of the missions early on required making decisions which couldn't be taken back. They had prizes which required choosing special gear which trumped other gear for many many levels (The Yash Helm for instance). Others required returning to Taulin City. They just had a different feel. I meant no offence to the existing story which is great. But at time I feel like we are just reading the story and interacting with it less. Things also feel a bit broken up. I really like how you can navigate the sector maps from the first few contents, it gave the world a different feel. There were early discussions about world maps that connected the sector maps that never came to be. It is just a few minor changes that tweaked the feel of the game and the relation of the story. I guess the easiest way to sum it up is the story is great, but the interaction with it could use a bit of help.

BigGrim said

acidic said

I am also still convinced that tieing bonuses to medals would also make the pursuit of such a easy to implement and time consuming side project for many players.

Hopefully we can look at this in the new year.

Fair enough. Expect a nudge in January.

[ecolitan]

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[Pardoux]

acidic said

Pardoux said

acidic said

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I am also still convinced that tieing bonuses to medals would also make the pursuit of such a easy to implement and time consuming side project for many players.

Medals ARE the bonus - some pretty little bit of bling to put on your profile .. Why does there have to be more ?

I know that argument and it is enough for some but not most. I don't think they need to be much, but people will always go after anything that gives them any type of bonus to gameplay. Medals as medals do not offer a bonus.

So you want a reward scheme in SS2, like there is in FS, that gets abused every which way but loose ? - Sorry, let's TRY to keep this game "clean" and not bring in "carrots" that cause exploitation ..

[Pardoux]

Mamorukun said

EdTheHead said

If you would like to increase this number you have to learn what the players want, failure to do so could see that number drop even lower trust me i hear what players are saying and it's not good.

Ed, believe me or not, but that's the -exact opposite- message I hear from my members in NB Perhaps BG is right here too: some players should simply stop "playing to be the first/top/stronger /whatever", and play for the fun of it, simply

Thanks Mamorukun - some folk, yes, want to be the biggest, best badass levellers in the game - and that's fine - let them be - but not everyone wants to do that. And, if you want to be the big badass SO much, then quit whining about the new content and buy the energy to do the content. Otherwise, quit whining people. Jeez, I know you can't please all the people all of the time, but lately, it seems that the cows are getting it in the neck for everything.

We all know there are still issues within the game - and, heaven knows, not enough players, but giving them grief for giving us more regular content (after giving them grief for ages about not enough content) is just ridiculous.

[supermum]

When someone (HCS) added new content and below the post asked for our opinion to be posted in this thread, I presumed it was because they wanted our opinion, and that being if it was not the same as their own opinion.
If I then post what I think about said content, I can not see that as griping or moaning or complaining in any way, it was my opinion I was stating...weather everyone else agrees with me or not has no bearing on that fact..and there is no reason for me to have to change my opinion just because others disagree.
As it happens I see a lot of others agreeing with me, and if I am ridiculous for meaning what I do, then half of the gaming community must also be ridiculous.

on considerations, maybe playing the game in the first place is the most ridiculous thing of all, I have spent hours and hours in front of my pc to play the game, and might have to reconsider..I actually liked the fact that I was somewhere near the top, and knew I had some slight possibility to be best at one time or other, but that is now gone..fair enough, but the carrot is gone..I cant smell it any more

[joejim]

wow only 7 players are in the new content... nice :shock:

[iut044]

Biggrim can you can upload lvl 321 to 340 Entities.items and areas to ultimate ss2 guide please?