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[EpicPiety]

But for sure that will make scripts less powerfull, so if that's the idea, keep it active on all Titan maps, give a shot, maybe that can work.

You speak as if you know for a fact they exist. But yes i think this would be an overall good implementation it will help out the slower hunters.

Edited by Intimidation, 10 April 2015 - 08:03.

[Zorg]

I was intentionally vague because I was waiting to see feedback before making some decisions.

 

Teleport can be cast on anybody at level 175 if you max out the skill and Fury Caster. Buff Enhancer does not work on it.

 

A level 175 Teleport results in a 35 second cooldown.

 

The Temporal Beacon guild structure will reduce it by a further 2 seconds per level (up to 10 levels) so if your guild maxes out that structure it will be a 15 second cooldown. We have not finalized the cost / upkeep of this structure yet.

 

The enhancement Temporal Phase will decrease the cooldown by 1 second per 10%. So at 100% the enhancement will reduce the cooldown to 5 seconds.

 

Casting the buff costs 40 stamina and lasts 60 minutes and the buff does not reset when moving between realms. Teleporting always costs 1 stamina regardless of the distance and is not affected by light foot / gold foot although that doesn't rule out future equivalent buffs specifically for Teleport being added.

 

Teleport works on ALL realms, including those with Titans. We're hopeful the use of a buff such of this will level the playing field a bit with those abusing scripts / macros.

[Belaric]

You speak as if you know for a fact they exist.

 

LOL.  They might. But none of us here can ever prove it.

 

You got him/her there.

 

But I do not think english is his/her first language.

 

'for sure' is an easy tell for a non-native user of English

 

So. Let go of your gotcha (a contraction of english usage) and just listen to his/her point.

 

 

He /she also had multiple feelings about teleport and titan hunting. i.e .was conflicted.

 

 

And the poster also felt that some dark and Maze maps would be hard to reconcile with this new skill.

 

None of that adds up to an accusation.

 

 

 

At. All. 

[Belaric]

I was intentionally vague because I was waiting to see feedback before making some decisions.

 

Teleport can be cast on anybody at level 175 if you max out the skill and Fury Caster. Buff Enhancer does not work on it.

 

A level 175 Teleport results in a 35 second cooldown.

 

The Temporal Beacon guild structure will reduce it by a further 2 seconds per level (up to 10 levels) so if your guild maxes out that structure it will be a 15 second cooldown. We have not finalized the cost / upkeep of this structure yet.

 

The enhancement Temporal Phase will decrease the cooldown by 1 second per 10%. So at 100% the enhancement will reduce the cooldown to 5 seconds.

 

Casting the buff costs 40 stamina and lasts 60 minutes and the buff does not reset when moving between realms. Teleporting always costs 1 stamina regardless of the distance and is not affected by light foot / gold foot although that doesn't rule out future equivalent buffs specifically for Teleport being added.

 

Teleport works on ALL realms, including those with Titans. We're hopeful the use of a buff such of this will level the playing field a bit with those abusing scripts / macros.

NO! 

 

NO NO NO  NO!

 

Just to make myself clear.

 

You cannot create this buff to try to deter cheats.

 

It will only make cheats cheat in a new way.

 

 

And how does it help the playing field for people who are in young guilds starting out and who do not have:

 

2500 BUFFS?

 

In what way is this fair to players who do not have access to 2500 buffs??  

Edited by Belaric, 10 April 2015 - 08:26.

[Belaric]

Creative profit seekers within this game have already read your proclamation and are developing tactics that will win them major FSP.

 

I do not want a teleport buff to make my TKP acquisition easier.

 

I am a scavenger at the edges of the titan market.

 

This buff will increase activity around clear ups. But whose activity? Will it increase availability via TKP clears, or will it concentrate titan epic into a smaller circle?

 

I implore you not to allow this buff anywhere near a titan.

 

It is an abuse on the field of titan hunting.

 

Do not do it. 

[CountFxUup]

NO! 

 

NO NO NO  NO!

 

Just to make myself clear.

 

You cannot create this buff to try to deter cheats.

 

It will only make cheats cheat in a new way.

 

 

And how does it help the playing field for people who are in young guilds starting out and who do not have:

 

2500 BUFFS?

 

In what way is this fair to players who do not have access to 2500 buffs??  

I feel this is and unjust argument since the buff market has been around buffs are available to anyone at any level there is no excuse to be had there.

[Belaric]

AND:
 
Imagine the bloodletting around the seasonal titans.
 
Only guilds with teleport active players will win anything.
 
Do you really want closed markets on high value titans at Halowe'een and Christmas?
 
Should the majority of the game give up on the idea of gaining any of those titan drops by hunting them?
 
 
Teleport should not be something that the rich benefit from.
 
That is a crap system.
 
Think about it. 

[CountFxUup]

The only way your rants would hold weight is if the people who are able to cast this buff refuse to sell it on the buff market then it will be a one way street but i dont see that happening cause every one is gonna want to sell that buff while its new and hot.

[Belaric]

I feel this is and unjust argument since the buff market has been around buffs are available to anyone at any level there is no excuse to be had there.

 

I am impressed by your belief in the buff market.

 

I am sure you have no idea how it could be manipulated.

 

I myself have never benefitted from being first into a particular buff band. At all.

 

I certainly never paid over the odds for buffs back in the day. Never.

 

The fact that there is a buff market now does not mean that prices will be fair, or that access will be even.

 

To try to pretend that this is so is charlatanry of the highest order.

 

Yes there is a buff market.

 

No it will not be fair in the event of a teleport buff.

 

I can count on my own profits right now.  I don't need them, but by your lights I'll just accept them and not care about how it affects the overall health of the game community.  

Edited by Belaric, 10 April 2015 - 08:53.

[Belaric]

The only way your rants would hold weight is if the people who are able to cast this buff refuse to sell it on the buff market then it will be a one way street but i dont see that happening cause every one is gonna want to sell that buff while its new and hot.

I did not notice I was ranting.

 

I made my points clearly and concisely.

 

One line at a time.

[CountFxUup]

your complaining about a buff your about to get just noticed your level, so your opposed to it fully does that mean when you hit 2500 your not gonna get it? What if you did and sold it cheap, be the trend setter that crashes the price of the buff and make it available to everyone? I remember paying 2FSP for Smashing Hammer then 1FSP now I pay like 40k gold lol this buff will be no different and why is everyone crying about titans? What about SE hunting people will be killing SE's now and prob not use 10 stam to get to them it opens doors to all of FS in a good way i think

Edited by CountFxUup, 10 April 2015 - 09:02.

[Filletminion]

We have not seen this buff in action until we have any opinion we form is based on guesswork.

 

I will trust HCS to monitor it very closely from day dot for the first 3 or 4 months and make adjustments should any be required..

 

Given the recent speed increases of movement in game I doubt this Buff will have any real effect added that Zorg has also flagged part of Mondays update will be to address movement issues while titan hunting. 

 

Until I have experience using the buff speculating is not going to help.

[yghorbeviahn]

You speak as if you know for a fact they exist. But yes i think this would be an overall good implementation it will help out the slower hunters.

Did I said scripts? Oh, sorry, I wanted to say "magic", or cheating if you want, or use your own words, don't matter, the fact is some players have it, manipulate it and abuse it.

Teleport Skill?
Yes, give it a shot.

Teleport on Titan?
Well, lets try it, who knows.

A level 2500 buff that can be easily manipulated on Buff Market killing any chance of small players/guilds to achieve anything?
NO, make it a potion on Special section, level 175 (Distill should not work on it).
That way anyone can have it, creates a gold sink, the buff still usefull, the potion will always be usefull.

That's the biggest change a buff have ever made on this game, when that gains life will change titan hunting forever, do not kill this aspect of the game for smaller players.

[Belaric]

A: I never complained about anything. Look back and see the truth. It hurts me when folk just lie. 

 

B: Other than your utter lack of punctuation I think my response is this:

 

 

YES: I will sell the relevant buff way cheaper than my opposition, if it makes sense for me to do so. Which in this game it almost always does, as I like to see people fly. 

 

I did not at any point complain about anything. I dislike your characterising my speech in that fashion. 

[Zorg]

Nothing is set in stone, we can always change it if it doesn't work how we planned.

 

If the top players decide not to sell it to their own advantage I'm sure BigGrim can throw it on a potion or two.

[Belaric]

Nothing is set in stone, we can always change it if it doesn't work how we planned.

 

If the top players decide not to sell it to their own advantage I'm sure BigGrim can throw it on a potion or two.

Read our arguments.

 

That is not the point. 

[Belaric]

Nothing is set in stone, we can always change it if it doesn't work how we planned.

 

If the top players decide not to sell it to their own advantage I'm sure BigGrim can throw it on a potion or two.

IF TOP PLAYERS

 

What the flowery strawberrys are you talking about?

 

Here is the problem.

 

You give sexy new buffs to long standing high level players who have been here for ages and may or may not deserve it as a result of their long standing service. 

 

People who have not been around as long think that just isn't fair.

 

But in your language the advantage is given to long term players.

 

Until you decide to do this :

 

"If the top players decide not to sell it to their own advantage I'm sure BigGrim can throw it on a potion or two. "

 

So is that undercutting the established players? Bravo! You have played both sides well. 

 

Your problem is that both sides watch you.

 

And will a potion or two work for much longer?

Edited by Belaric, 10 April 2015 - 09:54.

[BigGrim]

Cows, please tell me you'll be adding LOW LEVEL versions of this buff in pot form? even just level 1 for 50,000 gold, just something to allow us to jump across a map when it's time to move along or turn in a quest.

Yeah, we are considering a low level potion somewhere. Still being discussed.

you mean mouse over the point where to teleport and then press "T"?

Press 't', your cursor on the map changes colour, then you click where you wish to go.

Hope that the "T" is the only way to invoke the buff. Ie, won't override the new map function of point and clicking to move to the spot. This may have been explained well... brain exhaustion.

No, you have to press t to activate the ability. Otherwise, you move normally.

the video implies it only works on the new map

Correct.

How does it work in Dark realms?  Can you teleport into a dark square?

You cannot teleport into dark squares, no. Only where you can see.

Titan hunting is a nightmare. Please fix it. Please.

Zorg has been doing so while working on the buff. Once this is live, everything should be fixed.

Some map should not allow Teleport: Dark Maps, some maze maps, Xinderoth and, for me, that should not work on maps with a Titan active for less than 24 hours.

It won't work on Dark Realms. You can only teleport where you can see. As for the likes of Xinderoth, I honestly believe that's a bit of a non issue. Pathfinding in the new map has already taken the sting out of it and they will still have to walk through that Realm to find the specific creatures they need to kill.

Read our arguments.

We are.

[Belaric]

To put a cap stone on it all.

 

From my point of view the teleport skill is useful if you are lost and need to jump through realms.

 

In the original players version it was designed/desired to be an instant portal to a Master Realm of choice.

 

It was meant to be a jump point that cost less that 25 stam  back to Mountain path plus the walk to the cathedral, plus the walk in the cathedral, plus the gold and the 25 stam fot jumping out of the cathedral.

 

Back in the day it was way cheaper to go via the beach.

 

Long term players had this crazy idea that the teleport buff was going to be a kind of portal buff - from anywhere to anywhere.

 

I can still see that happening. At level 4000. The realm to realm buff we get at 2500 is just the start. Let's go.

[kstbhs]

Its fine the way they are implementing it right now i think.

 

At least until the new gear is out with the required enhancement, there will be 15 second cooldown. most players with very fast connections take only around 5 second to reach from one location to another while hunting titan so the skill is actually leveling the titan hunting.