Posted 11 October 2014 - 19:03
avvakum, on 11 Oct 2014 - 13:34, said:
Shouldn't it be 10.3 tokens per 8 man/40 tokens tourney?
10 tokens x 0.51 + 10 tokens x 0.26 + 20 tokens x 0.13 = 10.3 tokens / tourney
Could Be?
What I did was 10* .51 + 20 * .26 + 40*.13 since you get 10 for 3/4 20 for 2nd and 40 for 1st.
Posted 11 October 2014 - 19:14
avvakum, on 10 Oct 2014 - 21:34, said:
I meant 51% winning percentage vs. other players. I think it's a reasonable number based on my researches in the past and now. My last 15 tournaments - 8 wins, 3 finals.
ok sorry..i read your post wrong (so did others)..your numbers are probably much closer to correct now for an arena master...but for the majority of players..not that close..somebody has to be losing also...7 of 8 dont win a tourney, ..4 of 8 get 0 tokens...so if you are going to do numbers crunch..use the average..not your own or any other arena master's numbers, ..also you have to figure in the amount of tourneys available to enter...at my level..very very few per day (now that zorg tweaked the spawning to favor more higher level tourneys)..where you get to enter many more..and higher levels get to enter in even more..somehow you need an average of tourneys available to enter.
i have played in every tourney i could from level 115-499 since token thing came out..i have 3300 tokens in 3 1/2 months..and that number has slowed down bigtime since zorg's tweaking, near 200 in the last 2 weeks.....i am not great at arena, but not the worst either..i would say average..so it would take me quite awhile to get an epic..which it should..i think your idea is not bad..anything to get more players involved in arena...and even your number of tokens for each epic is fairly close to what it should be....
the key for me is having an equal amount of tourneys to possibly join (even if they move slower)...that is what is wrong with arena right now, and why it needs the replacement system that all players thought was a good idea)..i know the lower level ones move slower, and would get replaced slower.( why is a good question , since higher level player can join them), just have the same amount to enter as higher level ones..and nobody can complain...higher level ones move faster,get replaced faster, higher level players will get more tokens, hince why i like your increase in tokens needed for epics as the levels go higher..
Posted 11 October 2014 - 19:54
Leos3000, on 11 Oct 2014 - 19:03, said:
Could Be?
What I did was 10* .51 + 20 * .26 + 40*.13 since you get 10 for 3/4 20 for 2nd and 40 for 1st.
Just to double check everything I've run a simulation, it looks like 10.3 tokens / tourney
for ($i=0 ; $i < 100000000 ; $i++) { $round1 = random_won($odds); if ($round1 == 2) {} // defeated in 1st round else if ($round1 == 1){ $round2 = random_won($odds); if ($round2 == 2){$tokens = $tokens + 10;} //defeated in 2nd round else if ($round2 == 1){ $round3 = random_won($odds); if ($round3 == 2){$tokens = $tokens + 20;}//defeated in the final else if ($round3 == 1){$tokens = $tokens + 40;} // won } } }
Posted 11 October 2014 - 20:48
avvakum, on 11 Oct 2014 - 19:54, said:
Just to double check everything I've run a simulation, it looks like 10.3 tokens / tourney
for ($i=0 ; $i < 100000000 ; $i++) { $round1 = random_won($odds); if ($round1 == 2) {} // defeated in 1st round else if ($round1 == 1){ $round2 = random_won($odds); if ($round2 == 2){$tokens = $tokens + 10;} //defeated in 2nd round else if ($round2 == 1){ $round3 = random_won($odds); if ($round3 == 2){$tokens = $tokens + 20;}//defeated in the final else if ($round3 == 1){$tokens = $tokens + 40;} // won } } }
That is why I said to check my math 
Also thought of another way to look at it. for an 8 man tourney and 40 token prize you give away 80 total tokens 40+20+10+10 or an average of 10 tokens a person. 16 person max is the same when its 80 tokens.
Which also means our numbers are a little high as I think those are max numbers not average numbers average token prize is probably closer to 24 (min is 8 Max is 40 so I took average of those 2) This means that average person gets 6 tokens per tourney.
Posted 12 October 2014 - 12:34
Leos3000, on 11 Oct 2014 - 20:48, said:
Which also means our numbers are a little high as I think those are max numbers not average numbers average token prize is probably closer to 24 (min is 8 Max is 40 so I took average of those 2) This means that average person gets 6 tokens per tourney.
Updated version (10% x 10 types of tournaments):
Posted 12 October 2014 - 12:44
avvakum, on 12 Oct 2014 - 12:34, said:
Updated version (10% x 10 types of tournaments):
An average arena player (50% win percentage vs. other players) will get 10,000 tokens in 6 months by joining 10 tourneys every day. Join cost: ~ 250 FSPs.
Posted 12 October 2014 - 16:44
Leos3000, on 11 Oct 2014 - 20:48, said:
That is why I said to check my math
Also thought of another way to look at it. for an 8 man tourney and 40 token prize you give away 80 total tokens 40+20+10+10 or an average of 10 tokens a person. 16 person max is the same when its 80 tokens.
Which also means our numbers are a little high as I think those are max numbers not average numbers average token prize is probably closer to 24 (min is 8 Max is 40 so I took average of those 2) This means that average person gets 6 tokens per tourney.
yes..much better number crunch... 6 tokens per 30k spent..which is not bad..but it shows that someone would be nuts to trade tokens for that 4k gold each...almost all prizes are worth more than that..i actually would not mind seeing all those epics up for grabs...i do think more would try arena
Posted 12 October 2014 - 16:45
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2. Edward Teach "Blackbeard" (English, 1680- 1718) - His head was then raised upon a stake as a warning to other pirates near Virginia’s Hampton River.
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Posted 12 October 2014 - 17:15
RebornJedi, on 12 Oct 2014 - 16:54, said:
Due to years of farming easy tokens from a broken system.. Potions or other token burning prizes need to be added before epics
1. Pirates best rum - Adept Learner 2000 lvl for 1000 PvP Ladder tokens or 20000 Arena tokens
2. Ninja's sake - Conserve 1200 lvl for 1000 PvP Ladder tokens or 20000 Arena tokens
Posted 12 October 2014 - 17:35
justinian9, on 12 Oct 2014 - 17:20, said:
why are ladder tokens worth more the arena tokens?
On average, it takes the same time/effort to earn 1 PvP Ladder token / 20 Arena tokens. It's difficult to compare both systems.
Posted 12 October 2014 - 17:43
RebornJedi, on 12 Oct 2014 - 16:54, said:
Due to years of farming easy tokens from a broken system.. Potions or other token burning prizes need to be added before epics
Ok, we have one example here. One player opted-in from the first day of PvP Ladder and never left it. Now he has about 1k PvP Ladder tokens. I don't think his life on the ladder over all these years doesn't deserve 2 Epics.
Posted 12 October 2014 - 18:09
RebornJedi, on 12 Oct 2014 - 16:54, said:
Due to years of farming easy tokens from a broken system.. Potions or other token burning prizes need to be added before epics
Well, now that I know that some plans are being made about bringing new Epics to the table that I can use all these tokens to buy them, I'll just wait it out. ~ Thoughts of someone that has accumulated a lot of tokens. (Not me)
The only way to successfully get rid of the tokens accumulated by this "broken system" is to have HCS delete all of them, which I highly doubt will happen.
Posted 12 October 2014 - 18:37
avvakum, on 12 Oct 2014 - 17:35, said:
On average, it takes the same time/effort to earn 1 PvP Ladder token / 20 Arena tokens. It's difficult to compare both systems.
What effort on the ladder, some fight on ladder others do nothing.
If one joins a ladder and it has 3,4,5, or 6 players from 1 crew on it one is going to use a bunch of stamina on buffs and 100 stam hits. When a crew just sits on a ladder no one from other crews can compete as they have to remove ourselves from the ladder to regain stamina while the crew camping on the ladder can continue to sit on it and do nothing and gather tokens.
I said all that to say, the ladder tokens should not be over valued.
One way to help the issue... have an arena in the first realm of a range and you must be on that arena to join the ladder. If a crew does this then their relics protection will decrease.
Posted 12 October 2014 - 18:41
avvakum, on 12 Oct 2014 - 17:43, said:
Ok, we have one example here. One player opted-in from the first day of PvP Ladder and never left it. Now he has about 1k PvP Ladder tokens. I don't think his life on the ladder over all these years doesn't deserve 2 Epics.
I joined the game in Dec 2008. Should I get 2 Epics for that?
Posted 12 October 2014 - 19:04
avvakum, on 12 Oct 2014 - 17:43, said:
Ok, we have one example here. One player opted-in from the first day of PvP Ladder and never left it. Now he has about 1k PvP Ladder tokens. I don't think his life on the ladder over all these years doesn't deserve 2 Epics.
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