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[suderlon]

 

 

The up to date news post lists the up to date suggestions.

 

~ Grim

 

your up to date news post is on page 7 from 12 pages (at this moment, will be more pages later ) instead on page 1 op, this can confuse the ones who come new to this forum post and do not read all the posts before writing but ok.

 

grim, were not you the one who removed brewing master 500 from the game and changed the new special offer chests to not have them?

you did the same with inventor ii 500 because was overpowered too.

if you want brewing master 500 back then same bring inventor ii 500 too 

 

grim, were not you the one who removed brewing master 500 from the game and changed the new special offer chests to not have them?

you did the same with inventor ii 500 because was overpowered too.

there are many reason why bm 500 is a big mistake (for arena, pvp etc) and if you want brewing master 500 back then  bring another mistake back, inventor ii 500.

[EpicPiety]

I do have to point out there is no correlation between inventor 2 500 and BM500. Inventor 2 500 is so many magnitudes worse its not even funny. I would take bm500 back everyday over inventor 2 500 back in full swing.

[Tilley10]

I’m also against BM 500 for a few reasons. See below.

PvP/GvG: As it is right now, I can run a Crystal Ladder chest for 46 hours with a BM 345. Even this feels like a very long time as it lasts a full length ladder reset if it does the distance. Or it could potentially last 2. BM 575 would make this last much longer. A Crystal Ladder chest would last a full reset guaranteed and most likely 2. There would be no waiting out pots in a GvG giving the attacker another massive advantage (they have too many already). It would be impossible to go 50/50, 75/75 or 100/100 as the defending guild with BM 500 as the attacking guilds pots would would last the whole conflict. And honestly, BM 500 would benefit me a lot, personally. I could use less resources and stay buffed for days on days. But I understand that it is not healthy for the overall game itself.

Arena: Oof. Arena needs an update but that’s a different topic for another day. BM 500 would make Brewers Art close to obsolete. Thus make entering arenas even less profitable than it already is. Why would someone use BM 300 for their pots if they have access to BM 500? They wouldn’t.

Edited by Tilley10, 15 September 2021 - 12:58.

[shindrak]

I do have to point out there is no correlation between inventor 2 500 and BM500. Inventor 2 500 is so many magnitudes worse its not even funny. I would take bm500 back everyday over inventor 2 500 back in full swing.

Ofcourse Inv2 is way far from BM 500 but it is next example of the downside.

 

Imagine BrewMaster500+pride200  and activate Teleport 200  

[Leos3000]

 

Hi there everyone.

 

Got through the thread today and here are the changes I've made. Changes are in bold.

 

 

Change Potion of Intensity to:

Doubler 1500 Loyalty 200

 

 

Change Auspice of Ancients to:

Conserve 400 Loyalty 200

 

 

Change Scholars Draft to:

Adept Learner 400 Loyalty 250

Librarian 400

 

Potion of Ultimate Global Acceleration Cost reduced to 1000.

 

 

Move Fast Track Draft from Caves and upgrade to buff level 200. Loyalty: 100.

 

 

New: 

 

Here are 13 new proposed potions and their loyalty costs.

 

Warriors Elixir. Loyalty: 500

 

Fury Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Berserk Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Dark Curse Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Enchanted Weapon Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Wither Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Shatter Armor Level : 200 Duration : 120m

 

 

Potion of the Quester. Loyalty:  500

 

Find Item Level : 1000 Duration : 120m

Quest Finder Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Quest Hunter Level : 250 Duration : 120m

 

 

Potion of Precision Strike. Loyalty:  500

 

Arterial Strike Level :  1000 Duration : 120m

 

 

Forgemaster Draft. Loyalty:  500

 

Epic Forge Level :  200 Duration : 120m

Epic Craft Level : 200 Duration :120m

  

 

 

Magical Carapace. Loyalty:  500

 

Defensive Aura Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Shield Wall Level : 250 Duration : 120m

 

 

Sorcerous Scales. Loyalty:  500

 

Layered Armor Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Armor Boost Level : 250 Duration : 120m

 

 

Hunting Lord Potion. Loyalty:  1000

 

Doubler Level : 3000 Duration : 120m

 

 

Potion of the Divine Hunter. Loyalty:   2000

 

Doubler Level : 5000 Duration : 120m

 

 

Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  750

 

Adept Learner Level : 600 Duration : 120m

Librarian Level : 600 Duration : 120m

 

 

Rampage Potion. Loyalty:  1000

 

Animal Magnetism Level : 450 Duration : 120m

Conserve Level : 550 Duration : 120m

 

 

Alchemist Prized Potion. Loyalty:  500

 

Distil removed.

Brewing Master Level :  500 Duration : 120m

 

 

Potion of Supreme Global Acceleration. Loyalty 750

Global Booster 1000

 

Potion of Devilish Global Acceleration. Loyalty 2000.

Global Booster 2000

 

Potion of Godly Global Acceleration. Loyalty 3000.

Global Booster 3000

 

 

Again, feedback on these new changes are welcome.

 

~ Grim

 

 

I think most of these are in a good place. 1 thing to be careful with is putting super powerful potions in a section of the game that is almost only obtained by donating.

 

A lot of these show the loyalty token cost, will there still be some sort of gold buying option as well? If there is no gold option do not make it more powerful then pots that are not bound (except the doubler pots those are fine as they do not give any huge advantages, just save time)

 

I like the idea of making powerful buff combinations in this proposal, would it be possible to add some new options like this to the GVG rewards? These could really use some updates as well.

 

I see some still wishing for the original AL, LIB, Conserve 1000 buffs. I think this would be an amazing GVG pack that cost 1000 RP to use and bring back some interest to this aspect of the game.

Edited by Leos3000, 15 September 2021 - 14:20.

[EpicPiety]

Ofcourse Inv2 is way far from BM 500 but it is next example of the downside.

 

Imagine BrewMaster500+pride200  and activate Teleport 200  

I agree in that for sure however didn't want people getting carried away. BM500 added to arena at the right cost could be a good thing possibly.

I'd rather it be a special arena where you win the item and not available in the shop for mass purchase. 

[Undjuvion]

@Pointy

 

I would consider 1.5 of my posts against, the reset mixed, let me summarize,

 

I don't see why we should have these sorts of potions so drastically cheaply, i don't think they are great for the game tho i do see the fun in them, i am ok with what has been ommitted, im also ok if it had gone through as at the end of the day, if the game becomes mundane ill move on, no dramas really, i kinda lean towards what is improving but meh....

 

 

edit: i mean every man and his dog wolfing down the best the game has seen will surely be a quick sugar rush tho what later, the effects.

 

edit2: im not one for big explanations, people either see eye to eye or they dont, debating to mind bend someone, pathetic.

 

edit3: on the patheticness, just at that trait of debating, not saying u Pointy, for semi clarity, not that I have major issues with pathetic things.

Edited by Undjuvion, 15 September 2021 - 17:51.

[JLeach]

I am sad that the big levelling pots were removed, I was one of the people for them and I feel the people against were weighted towards the EOC players quite heavily. Only a few people near EOC were for these pots and I think that should be looked at before removing them entirely, as new players coming into the game might not feel they can catch up. Those pots would have helped a lot with that.

 

The other changes I could take or leave, Distil being removed makes sense and I don't think too many people disagree with that. I understand the effects it would have.

 

The other changes seem mostly good though, and I am really looking foward to being able to spend all my tokens on some shiny new pots!

[insaner6]

i suggest that the following pot should
not introduced in the game if it stays as is..
there are already higher pots gained, there is no need for underpowered potions to be introduced
just to say "we introduced something"..


either return it to the fist status, as it was fistly introduced, or remove completely..
 

Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  750

 

Adept Learner Level : 600 Duration : 120m

Librarian Level : 600 Duration : 120m

[Bujon]

 

i suggest that the following pot should
not introduced in the game if it stays as is..
there are already higher pots gained, there is no need for underpowered potions to be introduced
just to say "we introduced something"..


either return it to the fist status, as it was fistly introduced, or remove completely..
 

Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  750

 

Adept Learner Level : 600 Duration : 120m

Librarian Level : 600 Duration : 120m

 

 

 

Reason?  600's offer the lower levels a good balance and levelling opportunity cheaply,   anything in the 900+ would disproportionately aid xp and gxp for those guilds with many members with huge stam banks during twice yearly dxp hunt.

Edited by Bujon, 15 September 2021 - 17:30.

[Corrupted]

Potion looks good. Chests eventually run out at lower stamina ranges. Not everything needs to be bigger than everything before it to be important or relevant.

[insaner6]

Reason?  600's offer the lower levels a good balance,   anything in the 900+ would disproportionately aid xp and gxp for those with huge stam banks.

potion of "DIVINE KNOWLEDGE" should be as the name suggest something divine.
not just a "good balance" and something medium.

 

[EpicPiety]

 

Rampage Potion. Loyalty:  1000

 

Animal Magnetism Level : 450 Duration : 120m

Conserve Level : 550 > 650 Duration : 120m

 

Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  800

 

Adept Learner Level : 600 > 700 Duration : 120m

Librarian Level : 600 > 650 Duration : 120m

 

I've suggested this earlier in the thread. This would be reasonable that i could compromise with. All or nothing bigger and better approach is short sighted.

Edited by EpicPiety, 15 September 2021 - 17:33.

[Bujon]

potion of "DIVINE KNOWLEDGE" should be as the name suggest something divine.
not just a "good balance" and something medium.

 

 

That isn't a reason, change the name then :-) 

 

Your xp reasoning is no less single minded than a PvP player wanting buff orientation in their favour, surely?

Edited by Bujon, 15 September 2021 - 17:37.

[Helo]

I've suggested this earlier in the thread. This would be reasonable that i could compromise with. All or nothing bigger and better approach is short sighted.

If we aren't going to get the Level 1000 leveling buffs on this update then I agree with EpicPiety I would love to see them leveling buffs higher. To help me reach EOC faster

Edited by Helo, 15 September 2021 - 18:36.

[Helo]

EpicPiety, on 14 Sept 2021 - 11:50, said:



"Rampage Potion. Loyalty: 1000

Animal Magnetism Level : 450 Duration : 120m
Conserve Level : 550 > 650 Duration : 120m

Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty: 800

Adept Learner Level : 600 > 700 Duration : 120m
Librarian Level : 600 > 650 Duration : 120m


I've suggested this earlier in the thread. This would be reasonable that i could compromise with. All or nothing bigger and better approach is short sighted."

This is the post from I agree from EpicPiety that I agree with; I would love to see them leveling buffs higher on this upcoming update

Edited by Helo, 15 September 2021 - 18:45.

[insaner6]

I think Adept Learner for this potion should be increased to 850 (which is a compromise from the original) and I think Librarian should be 850 as well, which is another compromise.

[Windbattle]

What I have learned from this thread is that not everyone is going to be happy with this update no matter what. I humbly ask that BG schedule a meeting with his team and really thinks about the best interest of the game versus any individual player's request.

 

To be honest, I think very few if any players have the best interest of the game at heart. We all want or don't want these potions for a variety of different reasons. I would be more comfortable with you guys just making a decision and we adjust to it. 

Edited by Windbattle, 15 September 2021 - 19:51.

[Windbattle]

I agree in that for sure however didn't want people getting carried away. BM500 added to arena at the right cost could be a good thing possibly.

I'd rather it be a special arena where you win the item and not available in the shop for mass purchase. 

Considering Arena is mainly won by the same 20-30 people or less, no more rewards should be added at this point. 

Edited by Windbattle, 15 September 2021 - 20:09.

[Undjuvion]

What I have learned from this thread is that not everyone is going to be happy with this update no matter what. I humbly ask that BG schedule a meeting with his team and really thinks about the best interest of the game versus any individual player's request.

 

To be honest, I think very few if any players have the best interest of the game at heart. We all want or don't want these potions for a variety of different reasons. I would be more comfortable with you guys just making a decision and we adjust to it. 

 

is it really prudent to give BG clouded judgement over the playerbase, he needs not believe in conspiracies, thats dark thinking, he/they came to us looking for feedback, each player sees different facets, that doesnt mean they dont have best interests of game, just dif opinions and views, BG takes it all in and then makes his best call, he compromises, he weighs up.