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[Calista]

If somebody spends 100 FSP on a bounty (and yeah, somebody told me they saw it yesterday), why wouldn't I just clear it with ten 10 stam hits? 

 

 

 

Totally off topic, but for the record, there was a 100 fsp bounty on the board the other day on one of my guild mates. The player who cleared it used 100 stam hits, and lost 5 levels for it.  Had they been smart enough to use 10 stam hits, they wouldn't have lost any levels, it would have been seen as a clean clear.  

 

Edit:  Or the 4 levels he lost while losing to the bounty as well. LMAO

Edited by Calista, 20 April 2016 - 02:48.

[yotwehc]

You're entitled to your opinion.  But honestly you've been doing the merc thing for a week or so now and you accuse me of being nice! You and I can chat while we're stomping each other and there is no hostility. Why? Because it isn't personal. It's just business.  I 'hate' what I call 'mercs' in general, but it is the reasoning behind the hitting I have issue with, not the person. And once you 'one man crusaders' wander away to lick your wounds, there doesn't remain any issue. 

 

You have met players willing to throw money at the game to win. But few of them have your back when it comes to all those levels lost. You brag about sitting on a champ and how this won't effect you in the long run. You brag about being the worst kind of player in that you are doing this for no reason other then to start trouble.  All we're doing is defending our guildmates in the way the game was set up.  Leave the board alone and put some effort into the game instead of having things handed to you. 

Sharing our private convo with the world to see

 

To be exact, I have been doing the merc thing since FEB... remember? you deleveled me the day after your B-day. Business was slow early.

 

I'm not the one that used words like "hate" and such and by your definition, I do accept payment and smash so if the shoe fits... Read my forum profile, I am a horrible judge of character but I did say I liked you as it seemed like you cared not what I did so I thought the feeling was mutual. Neither of us care... we just bash and dance... how fun! As I told you, I know I'm going to lose 5... Just want to see how long we can dance... my small fist fight wins are glorious.

 

I have no idea who has thrown money and who hasn't but why do you make it a negative? I THANK ALL who have donated. I admit I'm a cheapskate. I'm not proud of it but I can't even bring myself to buying a 99 cent iphone app. If it were not for the donators, there is no game for the rest of us. TBH, the amount of benefit they get for donating is nothing compared to other games I play yet they still donate and I'm appreciative.

 

 

I am curious what has been handed to me that hasn't been handed to you? Of the many gifts I received, I returned most. Just kept those from the most insistent. 

 

I was sincerely hoping you were having fun beating me up but it almost sounds like you're not? I'm having fun getting beat up and sneaking in the occasional wins. those make it all worth it. Wouldn't it be great if we found more players like that?

 

My suggestion would encourage more beatings of willing folk. not the strong vs the weak but those who don't fear the BB. Those who don't mind smashing and going back and forth.

 

Let's continue to have fun. It's what this is all about

[Calista]

Make no mistake hun. For now at least, you're a target, not a friend. Our entire conversation was posted in my guild chat as it was happening. That way there is no confusion. I also got screen shots in case I need it later. I was a diplomat too long not to keep proof around and make sure leadership knows everything.

I'm only active when my guild is fighting. I level like 2 times a year, during the double xp events. Otherwise I tend to wander away to greener pastures. I get a text or a phone call letting me know there is fun to be had and that's when I show up.  I don't keep track of who I hit, when I hit, how many losses or wins there are, etc. Once the fighting stops it's forgotten for me. I'm surprised you consider yourself pvp'ing since Feb, even if you got dropped on 1 bounty back then. But I admit I wasn't here to pay attention so maybe I missed more. I only know about the Feb one because you told me. Yeah, I know I hit then but like I said, once it's done it's gone for me.  

If you want to be a merc, good for you. I'm not telling people how to play the game. But your idea here is just a way to make things easier for you and screw the people who actually put work into this area of the game. EARN IT!

I'm having a blast! This is the only time the game is fun for me. But the goal is to win, and make you stop hitting our people for no reason other then you want to start trouble. I'm glad we're all having fun with it. That's the goal in a game after all. But we do have an end game, which is different from yours. Right now we're just responding to the attacks. We've barely gotten started.  

I have donated more money then I care to admit to this game. Not in years, but in the past. But I have an issue with people paying others to do their dirty work for them. If you want something done, do it yourself. Using your credit card to win at pvp is a joke.

Your entire idea in the original post is just a way to get free stuff. The bb is fine like it is. Leave it alone and actually put some effort into what you're doing.

[yotwehc]

Make no mistake hun. For now at least, you're a target, not a friend. Our entire conversation was posted in my guild chat as it was happening. That way there is no confusion. I also got screen shots in case I need it later. I was a diplomat too long not to keep proof around and make sure leadership knows everything.

I'm only active when my guild is fighting. I level like 2 times a year, during the double xp events. Otherwise I tend to wander away to greener pastures. I get a text or a phone call letting me know there is fun to be had and that's when I show up.  I don't keep track of who I hit, when I hit, how many losses or wins there are, etc. Once the fighting stops it's forgotten for me. I'm surprised you consider yourself pvp'ing since Feb, even if you got dropped on 1 bounty back then. But I admit I wasn't here to pay attention so maybe I missed more. I only know about the Feb one because you told me. Yeah, I know I hit then but like I said, once it's done it's gone for me.  

If you want to be a merc, good for you. I'm not telling people how to play the game. But your idea here is just a way to make things easier for you and screw the people who actually put work into this area of the game. EARN IT!

I'm having a blast! This is the only time the game is fun for me. But the goal is to win, and make you stop hitting our people for no reason other then you want to start trouble. I'm glad we're all having fun with it. That's the goal in a game after all. But we do have an end game, which is different from yours. Right now we're just responding to the attacks. We've barely gotten started.  

I have donated more money then I care to admit to this game. Not in years, but in the past. But I have an issue with people paying others to do their dirty work for them. If you want something done, do it yourself. Using your credit card to win at pvp is a joke.

Your entire idea in the original post is just a way to get free stuff. The bb is fine like it is. Leave it alone and actually put some effort into what you're doing.

Well, you are welcome. I'm glad I'm making I'm making you more active and you are having a blast! Another win-win! And why do you call this "trouble"? This is the best part of the game right? you said so yourself. Why would you want to stop me? contradictory :/

 

Just to clarify, my idea is not to make things easier for me or to get free stuff but to get more folks involved. Not sure how many times I have to say this but I was being showered with LOTS of gifts (hundreds of fsp, epic pots, epic items, etc) from LOTS of people I've never talked to. I could just keep quiet and collect the huge rewards folks were tossing my way but I returned everything. But it just made me realize that there is a market for mercs and people gladly dump tons of resources for free... I have more than enough resources in game. I've saved, and I'm now spending and having fun. Many didn't believe me when I said I would PVP (you know who you are). I also said something to the extent of I would light up the BB. promise kept and I'm glad you are having a blast. You are welcome

[Calista]

I'm a pvp player.  Not everyone in my guild is. The entire point of being a guild who will fight to defend its members is to actually keep our guys safe. Which means, keeping people like you from going after our guys. Not sure why that is confusing for some people.  I have 0 issue with pvp, but the goal is to win and make you stop. 

 

The board is lit up with bounties hardly being touched. We're listening to the poor newbies quitting because they can't win and don't like deleveling themselves. You stomp a bounty by yourself and take what, 2 levels maybe? But like you've already said. You're sitting on a champion and intend to level right back up when you have lost the amount of levels you're comfortable with. Not much of a risk there, really.  Our other haters have jumped in to do a round of hitting and then they'll disappear again. Same old players who get slapped back, cry we are mean to them, and then slink off again until the next  'one man crusader' shows up.  They won't be good for more then a round or 2 then they have lost what they're comfortable with.  The 'activity'  you think you see won't last long. This is just a spurt of activity while people cry we're being bullies again, all while we're doing nothing but responding to the attacks against us.

[yotwehc]

I'm a pvp player.  Not everyone in my guild is. The entire point of being a guild who will fight to defend its members is to actually keep our guys safe. Which means, keeping people like you from going after our guys. Not sure why that is confusing for some people.  I have 0 issue with pvp, but the goal is to win and make you stop. 

 

The board is lit up with bounties hardly being touched. We're listening to the poor newbies quitting because they can't win and don't like deleveling themselves. You stomp a bounty by yourself and take what, 2 levels maybe? But like you've already said. You're sitting on a champion and intend to level right back up when you have lost the amount of levels you're comfortable with. Not much of a risk there, really.  Our other haters have jumped in to do a round of hitting and then they'll disappear again. Same old players who get slapped back, cry we are mean to them, and then slink off again until the next  'one man crusader' shows up.  They won't be good for more then a round or 2 then they have lost what they're comfortable with.  The 'activity'  you think you see won't last long. This is just a spurt of activity while people cry we're being bullies again, all while we're doing nothing but responding to the attacks against us.

Name one non-pvp player in your guild that I have hit?

You are responding to attacks against you? How does one get on the BB again? How is hitting someone on the BB an attack on your poor guildmate... (who's crying now?)

Contradictions galore...

 

So my bounties probably won't be cleared. I'm ok with that... at least I'm creating some activity, no? and I have to say, a majority were indeed cleared - as a matter of fact I don't think a single one expired though I'm sure a few will as current dude is a beast. His will probably expire.

 

I'm also ok with taking just 1.5 levels while losing 5. The dance makes it all worth

 

It may not last with the others... we'll see how long I go (I will have to take some pause to level up on occasion but after that, game on again so forgive me for those lulls)

[Calista]

 
No one came after you. You came after us. That's why I say all we're doing is responding to attacks at this point. Please continue to do so. Like we already discussed, lots of people have been waiting for the chance to smash you for years and are having fun with it. I was one of the ones who didn't believe you would ever get to eoc and actually take part. You proved me wrong. But this activity you want to claim credit for is not nearly as active as you think it is, at least from our end. It's alot more fun when people fight back with some strategy instead of posting us and letting the bounties expire, or having our friends clear us. Which I'm surprised I haven't seen anything about yet. How many of your bounties cleared were from our allies? More then half, I'm sure. I know for a fact one of your 'supporters' has already quit and is asking us to stop. What was it he said.....he got too big for his britches.  Funny, right? But the good guild wars ended years ago. This won't last. It never does. We've done this over and over again for ages. This isn't anything new. And all you have to do is watch the fs box to see who's crying.

I never accused you of going after any non-pvp players in my guild. I said our goal is different from yours. It is to keep our players safe and make you stop. Which we will. We always do. Then you and and handful of friends will feel froggy one day and jump again, and we'll repeat the process. You're not the first, nor will you be the last. Everyone wants to brag that they took on TED and survived. That's just part of the game. What was the name of your guild again?

[yotwehc]

No one came after you. You came after us. That's why I say all we're doing is responding to attacks at this point. Please continue to do so. Like we already discussed, lots of people have been waiting for the chance to smash you for years and are having fun with it. I was one of the ones who didn't believe you would ever get to eoc and actually take part. You proved me wrong. But this activity you want to claim credit for is not nearly as active as you think it is, at least from our end. It's alot more fun when people fight back with some strategy instead of posting us and letting the bounties expire, or having our friends clear us. Which I'm surprised I haven't seen anything about yet. How many of your bounties cleared were from our allies? More then half, I'm sure. I know for a fact one of your 'supporters' has already quit and is asking us to stop. What was it he said.....he got too big for his britches. Funny, right? But the good guild wars ended years ago. This won't last. It never does. We've done this over and over again for ages. This isn't anything new. And all you have to do is watch the fs box to see who's crying.

I never accused you of going after any non-pvp players in my guild. I said our goal is different from yours. It is to keep our players safe and make you stop. Which we will. We always do. Then you and and handful of friends will feel froggy one day and jump again, and we'll repeat the process. You're not the first, nor will you be the last. Everyone wants to brag that they took on TED and survived. That's just part of the game. What was the name of your guild again?

No one came after me? I'm afraid you are completely wrong. Sorry. Talk to your guildmates ;p

i never asked anyone to clear my bounties. I just post. Who's bragging about taking on TED? I've merc' others so again, you are wrong. The biggest difference is how the BB encourages escalation. Most don't even post me. That's credit to your guild. That's part of the game. I still don't understand keeping your players safe. Why don't they just stay off the BB? Lol ;p

Again. As a wise person once said. It isn't personal. Just merc'ing.

Also, as you point out, some bounties are cleared by allies. I've known that for awhile. Good for them ;p

Edited by yotwehc, 20 April 2016 - 14:43.

[Calista]

I wasn't around which I've already said.  Maybe you're right. I know people have been waiting to hit you for years. There are a select few who will always be dropped at any opportunity presented, and you were on that 'list' a long time ago.  No there isn't an actual list written out people, but those on it know who they are.  

 

But my understanding of what happened is you started 100 stamming bounties, and are being slapped for it. Random attacks like that are always responded to the same.  But it is a response. A clean bounty clear isn't responded to that way.  Hell, we thank bounty hunters when they are done.

 

You really don't get the concept of keeping your friends safe? Having your friends back? Puling together as a team and working together to accomplish a goal?  I can't explain it to you then. 

[BigGrim]

Can we stay on topic please?

On topic : Increasing BB activity

Not on topic : The Chewy and Calista Show.

Cheers.

[Pythia]

Does anyone know if the person making the 100 stam hits on the player on the BB was working on their smasher medal?

[Egami]

A bounty hunter clears a bounty. It isn't personal, it's just business. Strictly a job.  A merc takes money to stomp for a person/guild who doesn't have the friends/allies to do it properly. 

 

This ideology is OSBH (well, only one of the original ideas and part of what broke the group, as I was told) and I think is part of what "destroyed" the BB. 

 

PLEASE AVOID TYPICAL EGAMI DIATRIBE AND SKIP DOWN TO "SUMMARY":

 

Again, I full on understand that my #10 post is, as usual, far too long for mere mortals (and most immortals) to read. 

 

The problem I have had with it is not XP loss or anything of the sort. Your definition of being a bounty hunter is strictly a job... sure. Why is being a merc worse?

 

My problem with bounty hunting is that a bounty hunter does not get paid a fair price. To a large degree, that's because they do NOT do the job the person hiring them would wish they would do. 

 

The base issue in this post is BB activity and it's inherent in your comment precisely because there is some assumed difference between a bounty hunter and a merc. According to an RL definition, a bounty hunter is a merc... 

 

However, 7 to 8 years has changed definitions and, in my opinion, have always been wrong. That's an unexpected side-effect that I happen to like to a degree.

 

I would NOT change any of the clearing mechanics or guild-organizing to take mechanics or even the smacking mercs mechanics (I would def get rid of the Conserve saving XP error). Yot, kind of throws out the old definitions... as he is theoretically not charging for doing the hits that I assume people who place bounties really want and, many years ago paid for.

 

In a simplistic summary of how I see things, the BB was implemented to "punish" players for hitting. FS reacted to this and created rules that became "law". 

 

I believe that mercs were originally created because the BB wasn't doing what players wanted. 

 

I have PvPed since my first year in FS, still defend it and still smack people on the head when they so "righteously" claim that it's destroying the game. Good grief... I hate anti-PvP sentiment and think it has done more to destroy the game than almost anything else. I know most levelers will disagree with me and I don't care. I know what I know. 

 

So here I've gone and one it again, creating a dang-rump long Egami diatribe which few will read. It's just that I care so much about PvP...

 

SUMMARY:

 

Calista makes a point of differentiating between a bounty hunter and a merc. That difference of definition is based on how FS has evolved and, in an RL definition would not exist.

 

I reiterate the need, in the interest of increasing BB activity, to create a sliding scale payment system that would pay out from the person placing the bounty based on damage inflicted and based on their willingness to pay at the time of placing the bounty.

 

None of this could, nor should, affect current game tendencies with regards to responding to actions taken by bounty hunters. 

[Calista]

Does anyone know if the person making the 100 stam hits on the player on the BB was working on their smasher medal?

 

Which one? You need to be a little more specific. If you mean the one who cleared the first 100 fsp bounty, he didn't say anything. One of them who hit on several bounties alternated between 10 and 100 stam hits and was quite surprised he lost 5 for each one. He claimed to be working on his medal when he messaged my guildies to ask permission to take their bounties.  The others are the same old one who come out of the woodwork a few times a year.

 

Leave the board alone. In fact, leave PvP alone period. They mess it up every time!  Quit trying to make it easier for those who don't put the work into it. Too much in this game is handed to us.

Edited by Calista, 21 April 2016 - 01:41.

[Pythia]

Totally off topic, but for the record, there was a 100 fsp bounty on the board the other day on one of my guild mates. The player who cleared it used 100 stam hits, and lost 5 levels for it.  Had they been smart enough to use 10 stam hits, they wouldn't have lost any levels, it would have been seen as a clean clear.  

 

Edit:  Or the 4 levels he lost while losing to the bounty as well. LMAO

 

This player. I  don't remember who it was, but know you only get the smasher medal for 100 stam hits on the ladder or the BB.

 

I'm curious and it was easier to quote you for the proper information to answer my question.

[Pythia]

I work for what I get, I ask about what piques my curiosity, I help where I can and wish to high hell others could do the same.
 
Instead of this: It's so negative, even if a bit funny.
 
Don't do this,
Don't do that,
Don't annoy me,
I have a bat.
 
I can do this,
I can do that,
I can do it all
Because I have a bat.
 
Help where you can, it might even help the game. Who knows.

[Calista]

SUMMARY:

 

Calista makes a point of differentiating between a bounty hunter and a merc. That difference of definition is based on how FS has evolved and, in an RL definition would not exist.

 

I reiterate the need, in the interest of increasing BB activity, to create a sliding scale payment system that would pay out from the person placing the bounty based on damage inflicted and based on their willingness to pay at the time of placing the bounty.

 

None of this could, nor should, affect current game tendencies with regards to responding to actions taken by bounty hunters. 

 

You're right. The definitions do not fit in the real world. However, this is not the real world. This is a game. For me, and others who think like me, there is a distinct difference between what I call a 'bounty hunter' and a 'merc'. (Yes, I was OSBH for a short time) Those are the names I have always referred to them as. If we call them something different, would that make it easier to see what I mean?

1) One refers to a player who cleanly clears bounties. Cleanly clearing a bounty is the use of 10 stam hits, impartial and uninvolved player.

2) The other refers to a player who uses 100 stam hits to aid the other side for gifts, thus allowing the other side to 'buy' soldiers.

Call them whatever works, but there is a difference. The proposed change in the op would force me to accept these 'optional' secondary rewards if they were offered on a bounty I want to hit. I have my reasons for 100 stamming, that might have nothing at all to do with who posted the bounty. And getting those 'optional' rewards would cross a line for me that I don't want to cross.

Edited by Calista, 21 April 2016 - 06:01.

[sweetlou]

I like to kill mercs~! Whether they take payment or not, doesn't matter to me. In fact HCS has decided to give out medals for stomping on players. Yay!! Now if mercs get paid at least they will lose 5 levels with something left over. If they don't then they just end up down 5. Mercs let it be known fairly fast through the community what they are doing so it isn't long before they are down many levels - 100s often times. I just wish stam grew faster

[yotwehc]

I like to kill mercs~! Whether they take payment or not, doesn't matter to me. In fact HCS has decided to give out medals for stomping on players. Yay!! Now if mercs get paid at least they will lose 5 levels with something left over. If they don't then they just end up down 5. Mercs let it be known fairly fast through the community what they are doing so it isn't long before they are down many levels - 100s often times. I just wish stam grew faster

Your welcome. I'm glad you support my idea. More mercs, happy Luis.

[vastilos]

I find that we live in a world where if people complain enough about something they want, they eventually get it. Too many self entitled people who believe that they are entitled to have what they want, when they want it, and if they can't have it or don't get it, they nag and nag until they get what they want. A real life example... I live in Canada and we used to be able to say Merry Christmas to people, or teachers to their students, public workers to people they encounter everyday. Now teachers and public workers aren't allowed to say Merry Christmas to their students or to people they encounter everyday without getting a suspension because other people who don't have christmas in their religion nagged and nagged until it was changed in their favor.

 

Now with regards to FS, it's a game. If you enjoy it, play it. If you don't, then leave. There's a pvp side and a pve side to the game, play either or both. Don't nag and complain because you only like one aspect of the game and feel that the other should be changed to your liking.

 

Deal with it.

Edited by vastilos, 23 April 2016 - 16:40.

[yotwehc]

Funny. I wonder who kept asking for changes? So i guess everything is perfect now and no changes are needed. No need to worry about seasons HCS. Many here are saying leave everything alone ;p

They won't nag or complain and will deal with it.