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[EpicPiety]

Considering Arena is mainly won by the same 20-30 people or less, no more rewards should be added at this point. 

There is only 20-30 people or less playing because it needs help. There will be plenty more people playing arena if it had received some sort of rejuvenation. 

Edited by EpicPiety, 15 September 2021 - 20:14.

[shindrak]

Considering Arena is mainly won by the same 20-30 people or less, no more rewards should be added at this point. 

 

Why didnt  think of it if more rewards added more players will join it ? 

You are asking to let an aspect to die because you don't want to play it, the 20-30 players working for their wins by buying all gears and forging their gears to play arena and thats not enough to win you have to work out your brain to win! which is called " playing a Game".

lots of players can play arena but stopped...

 

 

I would say add new rewards to PvP ladder and more players will join it ! but at certain ranges there is exploit where 1 player active can win rewards without working for it....I hope this will be fixed !

 

 

Anyway i think HCs are looking for our idea's about these pots not our ideas where to put these pots as reward and no need to argue if someone make suggestion , i'm sure HCs have the common sense even they don't play the game they can understand  players suggestions specially the ones who give logical explanations 

Edited by shindrak, 15 September 2021 - 20:27.

[BadPenny]

There is only 20-30 people or less playing because it needs help. There will be plenty more people playing arena if it had received some sort of rejuvenation. 

Maybe they should make some special buffs usable for the Arena only

 

[EpicPiety]

Potion of Fleeting 750 > 400 tokens

[yghorbeviahn]

I think the concept for the Loyalty Potions itself is getting a bit out of hand, imo should offer two things:

 

1 - Offer one more reason for those who can donate, to donate more. (aka big pots with high cost)

 

2 - For those who can't afford to donate, offer enough of a reward to keep them logging in everyday, but not enough to create a conflict between other markets. (aka medium pots with low cost)

 

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The prices and level for the loyalty potions should consider those two groups I believe, and offer stuff like a 'AL350, LIB350, CSV350, LF650, DBL750' for something like 150 Tokens (just an example), things that give someone starting the game a reason to stay playing it.....But also offer unique potions like DBL5000 for 2000 Tokens for those who donated enough to make use of those tokens.

 

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A few things that I have in mind:

 

1 - Offer a Distil 100 for a cheap price like 25 Tokens.

 

2 - Global Booster potions shouldn't be so expensive, eventho the reasons behind why someone goes for a high kill count are for their own goals, they're still helping the comunnity to achieve the general goal and they shouldn't be 'penalized' by the high costs...And honestly, it would just change the time they leave the auto-reload tab open, not much else.

 

3 - Offer upgrades that are not potions, with a cap, like the Gold Upgrades section, nothing overpowered.

 

4 - Not offer anything essential (like AL, CSV, SH, BM,etc) with a level higher (or equal) than any non-GE Chest, people would just stop buying the Special Offer chests, which is against the whole idea of revamping the section to start with.

 

5 - Offer more medium level potions for cheap prices (for levelling and PvP).

 

6 - For PvP potions focus on increasing the time to make the prices more reasonable.

 

7 - Change the Allegiance Tokens system to an incremental system every 7 days (like 5, 5, 5, 5, 10, 10, 15 - total 55 per week), but it resets back to day one if the person didn't log in.

Edited by yghorbeviahn, 16 September 2021 - 03:44.

[Windbattle]

I just want to know what the final verdict is at this point. 

[Gooner111]

Loads have voiced some valid points. I'm unclear why anyone is against higher level doubler. Whether it's arena, pvp, gvp, or leveling we all have ways we enjoy the game. Pots should be ranging in buffs that allow everyone to benefit the game aspect they enjoy. And it's for that reason I think BM should be removed. I don't play arena but it's introduction will reduce an element that is attractive to current arena players. I really enjoy FS and was a very active player for a long time. Leveling is the part of the game I enjoy the most. I have built up a nice stamina bank to help me. But life has moved on and my time to play the game has reduced. So Potions that help me use my stamina bank as quickly and effectively are very desirable.

In my opinion all loyalty potions should remain bound. Enough market potions available.

I read two suggestions that I think are very good - use loyalty tokens to boost existing potions by a % and use loyalty tokens for things other than potions - could add in something similar to the gold upgrades

[mary4ever]

First of all thanks for suggesting the new skills to the community and not just implementing them !!!

 

Before I start I have ONLY read BigGrim's OP so some things here might have already been posted by others + I am basing my oppinions on those criteria:

• Cash is spent to buy FSPs during Special Offers + to receive 1 - 2 EPIC donation chest/s & the Allegiance / Loyalty Tokens are Extras !!!
• New pots should NOT negatively affect any other rewards like EPIC donation chests, Global chests, PvP Ladder, Arena, .....
• Skills should NOT be too low or too high, same applies to Allegiance / Loyalty Tokens cost & duration time !!!
• Allegiance / Loyalty pots are ALL BOUND !!!

 

 

Changes: 

 

Here are a few changes we are considering to existing potions.

 

Change Potion of Intensity to:

Doubler 1500 Loyalty 200

 

 

Change Auspice of Ancients to:

Conserve 440 Loyalty 100

would suggest lvl 350 - 400 + a cost of 100 Tokens !!!

think would greatly help NEW & lower players, thus keeping the Token cost low

 

Change Scholars Draft to:

Adept Learner 400 Loyalty 250

Librarian 400

would suggest lvl 350 - 400 too + a cost of 200 Tokens !!!

think would greatly help NEW & lower players, thus keeping the Token cost low

 

Potion of Ultimate Global Acceleration Cost reduced to 1000.

 

 

Move Fast Track Draft from Caves and upgrade to buff level 200. Loyalty: 100.

 

 

New: 

 

Here are 13 new proposed potions and their loyalty costs.

 

Warriors Elixir. Loyalty: 750

 

Fury Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Berserk Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Dark Curse Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Enchanted Weapon Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Wither Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Shatter Armor Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Enchanted Armor lvl 200

Keen Edge lvl 200

I would add EA + KE instead of wither + SA, drop the Token cost because these levels can already be cast with the help of Buff Enhancer, maybe 150-200 Tokens !!!

Additionally I would add it as a Guild RP Pack too !!!

 

another great RP Pack would be:

Armor Boost lvl 200

Shield Wall lvl 200

Terrorize lvl 200

Flinch lvl 200

Sanctuary lvl 200

Constitution lvl 200

 

Potion of the Quester. Loyalty:  500

 

Find Item Level : 400 Duration : 120m

Quest Finder Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Quest Hunter Level : 200 Duration : 120m

would change them to:

Find Item lvl 1000

Quest Finder lvl 250

Quest Hunter lvl 250

 

Potion of Precision Strike. Loyalty:  500

 

Arterial Strike Level :  1000 Duration : 120m

 

 

Forgemaster Draft. Loyalty:  150

 

Epic Forge Level :  200 Duration : 120m

add Epic Craft lvl 200

for 200-300 Tokens

 

Magical Carapace. Loyalty:  500

 

Defensive Aura Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Layered Armor Level : 250 Duration : 120m

think the Token cost should be dropped to 200-300 

 

Hunting Lord Potion. Loyalty:  500

 

Doubler Level : 3000 Duration : 120m

would increase the Token cost to 750

I will not lie, this would greatly benefit people like me (big stamina banks) as I used to buy a donation chest just for a high doubler !!!

usually I would say no because it interferes with the donation & global chests BUT as the skill Doubler does NOT affect any target stats (PvP or PvE) + it does NOT increase xp gain (AL, OK, ....) or even save stamina (Conserve) I will give it an OK. (Doubler is just a multiplier, same as Global Booster)

Another reason would be that a high Doubler has been requested a lot by big stamina banks so this should satisfy them.   

In the end it is up to HCS 

 

 

Potion of the Divine Hunter. Loyalty:   1000

 

Doubler Level : 5000 Duration : 120m

​agree with the Token cost of 1000 !!!

 

 

 

Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  750

 

Adept Learner Level : 1000 Duration : 120m

Librarian Level : 900 Duration : 120m

Obviously NO, remove that pot !!!

It should be obvious why it negatively affects donations, global events, .... + seriously STOP with the "power creep" !!!

 

Rampage Potion. Loyalty:  750

 

Animal Magnetism Level : 500 Duration : 120m

Conserve Level : 1000 Duration : 120m

Obviously NO, remove that pot !!!

same as the above

 

Alchemist Prized Potion. Loyalty:  750

 

Distil Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Brewing Master Level :  500 Duration : 120m

Obviously NO, remove that pot !!!

This one is the worst, again please STOP with the "power creep" !!!

This is so bad that I do not even know where to start as it would take too long to summarize all the cons as It negatively affects almost all game plays (Arena, PvP, GvG, ......)

Just want to add that the highest currently available BM is lvl 300 from the Arena & that should stay so !!!

 

Potion of Supreme Global Acceleration. Loyalty 2000

Global Booster 1000

The Token cost is too high + currently GB lvl 1500 costs 1200 Tokens, so a lower GB lvl 1000 should obviously cost less !!!

 

Potion of Devilish Global Acceleration. Loyalty 3000.

Global Booster 1500

I am a bit confused, the GB lvl 1500 pot has 3 different names: (1 from FS & 2 diff names in OP)

Masterful Global Booster Potion (https://fallensword....&subcmd=loyalty)

Potion of Ultimate Global Acceleration (https://forums.hunte...=1#entry1005037)

Potion of Devilish Global Acceleration (https://forums.hunte...=1#entry1005037)

The Token cost is too high as we already have GB 1500 for a cost of 1200 Tokens !!!

 

Potion of Godly Global Acceleration. Loyalty 5000.

Global Booster 2000

The Token cost is too high !!!

Currently we have those Global Boosters:

LINK => https://fallensword....&subcmd=loyalty

 

We look forward to your feedback on these proposals. We also welcome any additional ideas you may have.

 

~ The Fallen Sword Team

 

Honestly the Loyalty section should have "unique" rewards only available there, would love to see more like the realm chest KEYS which are ONLY available on there

LINK => https://fallensword....&subcmd=loyalty

 

Please do NOT add any skills close to EPIC donation chests => their value would drastically drop => less donation (after all why would the past donators donate again when they can get the same epic skills from the Token shop, the vast majority hardly uses their tokens so they are sitting on them   !!!

 

Please do NOT add any skills close to EPIC global chests => less people would participate => as we all know the top 100 get us the most total kills + are usually big stamina banks !!!

 

Please do NOT increase the "daily Allegiance Tokens", HCS has already introduced DOUBLE & TRIPLE Token rewards during special offers so either patiently do the Daily Quests or just donate, in the end this game is still running due to donations !!!

 

IMO the highest AL, LIB, Conserve level should not be higher than 400 !!!

 

As mentioned, try adding rewads that are truly unique & are not close to EPIC donation / global chests to NOT negatively affect them !!!

 

Examples:

maybe Stalker lvl 400-500, Sacrifice 750-1000? (I know sacrifice lvl 500 is in some global chests BUT it is not in any of the EPIC donation chests, at least I think so)

& / or even a new Skill => Immortal: 0xp loss when defeated vs. Creatures. (PvE & does NOT protect Gold loss)

Titan Doubler lvl 200 would be a choice too since it can already be cast with Buff Enhancer & might help low lvl players who can not cast it yet or not available in buff market at that time !!!

 

Lastly please keep the Token cost at a reasonable value (for Example 3000 Tokens for just a GB 1500 is too expensive)

 

@BigGrim:

1. Which of these Token potions will be available to be purchased with GOLD too? (like all the current KEYS, Global Boosters)
2. Do all the listed Token potions have a 120 min duration? (except for the GB pots that have 60 min)

Edited by mary4ever, 16 September 2021 - 13:43.

[fugrnugget]

Not sure when/if the new changes are being implemented but my recommendation on the second round of changes is to swap the token price of the AM/Cons pot with the BM pot (or match the token price of 1k). AM 450 with conserve is nice but we already have plenty of alternatives and similar potion choices (both from donation chests and global participation). BM 500 is a more powerful and rare effect and I think the token cost should reflect that. 

[moneypants]

One way to spent my 37,000 use to be 50,000 2 years ago keep buying ub 200 its handle for pvp and bounty board 

[MGH HiddnNinja]

 

 

Hi there everyone.

 

Got through the thread today and here are the changes I've made. Changes are in bold.

 

The suggestions I have are as follows and will be in RED TEXT

 

Change Potion of Intensity to:

Doubler 1500 Loyalty 200

Yes

 

 

Change Auspice of Ancients to:

Conserve 400 Loyalty 200

Yes

 

Change Scholars Draft to:

Adept Learner 400 Loyalty 250

Librarian 400

Yes

 

Potion of Ultimate Global Acceleration Cost reduced to 1000.

Yes

 

Move Fast Track Draft from Caves and upgrade to buff level 200. Loyalty: 100.

Yes

 

New: 

 

Here are 13 new proposed potions and their loyalty costs.

 

Warriors Elixir. Loyalty: 500

Fury Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Berserk Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Dark Curse Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Enchanted Weapon Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Wither Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Shatter Armor Level : 200 Duration : 120m

Seems fine

 

 

Potion of the Quester. Loyalty:  500

Find Item Level : 1000 Duration : 120m

Quest Finder Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Quest Hunter Level : 250 Duration : 120m

I like it

 

 

Potion of Precision Strike. Loyalty:  500

Arterial Strike Level :  1000 Duration : 120m

Sure

 

Forgemaster Draft. Loyalty:  500

Epic Forge Level :  200 Duration : 120m

Epic Craft Level : 200 Duration :120m

Sure

  

 

Magical Carapace. Loyalty:  500

Defensive Aura Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Shield Wall Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Sure

 

 

Sorcerous Scales. Loyalty:  500

Layered Armor Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Armor Boost Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Yes

 

 

Hunting Lord Potion. Loyalty:  1000

Doubler Level : 3000 Duration : 120m

Thank you lord

 

 

Potion of the Divine Hunter. Loyalty:   2000

Doubler Level : 5000 Duration : 120m

Yes please, and thank you

 

 

Potion of Divine Knowledge. Loyalty:  750

Adept Learner Level : 600 Duration : 120m

Librarian Level : 600 Duration : 120m

I think Adept Learner for this potion should be increased to 800 (which is a compromise from the original) and I think Librarian should be 800 as well, which is another compromise.

 

 

Rampage Potion. Loyalty:  1000

Animal Magnetism Level : 450 Duration : 120m

Conserve Level : 550 Duration : 120m

I still think this should be Animal Magnetism 500, but 450 is okay.  Conserve should be 850 which is right in the middle of the original proposal and I think is a fair trade off.

 

 

Alchemist Prized Potion. Loyalty:  500

Distil removed.

Brewing Master Level :  500 Duration : 120m

It's not surprising that Distil 250 was removed with all the vocal people, but I can understand.

 

 

Potion of Supreme Global Acceleration. Loyalty 750

Global Booster 1000

Yes

 

Potion of Devilish Global Acceleration. Loyalty 2000.

Global Booster 2000

Yes

 

Potion of Godly Global Acceleration. Loyalty 3000.

Global Booster 3000

Yes

 

 

Again, feedback on these new changes are welcome.

 

~ Grim

 

 

I feel that we are getting to a good place and compromising with the loyalty potion propositions.  I do appreciate all the feedback, and all I ask is that other players read this and try to compromise as well.  I think we can get to a solid place that will benefit the game as a whole.

 

 

 

I 110% agree with Ice if this is the way we are changing them.  I have a lot of tokens, I will never be able to use them with your new compromise, since there are better options.  I have no reason to give more money for something I have no use for.  Please make them actually useful, it is okay to compete them with donation potions!  

 

 I was for the original potions though.  You could have made them have their own "loyalty" quality.  Make Distil not work with "loyalty" potions.  That way the donation potions would have benefited from the Distil 250 and still had a use.  The loyalty potions would have had a great use too!

[Altiger]

I worried at first because of the high leveling potions and that the donations would drop and the game close but a friend said that the hunted cow studios will next give us even higher leveling donation pots to keep their donations alive and I am now good with it, I have many tokens too.

 

Only problem is brewing master 500, this potion was banned by hoofmaster, brewing master 300 is enough.

I used brewing master 500, 2 ladder pots 960 minutes, pride, distil and the ladder pots had 63 hours or 2 days 15 hours.

[vastilos]

Personally, I liked the original potions before the revamp.

Just don't change the Doubler 5000 potion, i likey that a lot. The higher the doubler, the better :-p

[IronDraQ]

Personally, I liked the original potions before the revamp.

Just don't change the Doubler 5000 potion, i likey that a lot. The higher the doubler, the better :-p

Please consider originally proposed potions, I liked them as they were proposed.

[BigGrim]

No, feedback was taken into consideration and resulted in these changes. The feedback made good sense. It will not be reverting back.

 

~ Grim

[iceman66]

No, feedback was taken into consideration and resulted in these changes. The feedback made good sense. It will not be reverting back.

 

~ Grim

 

Does that mean the discussion is ended?  Just curious since at the end of the changes post you mention "Again, feedback on these new changes are welcome." 

[BigGrim]

Feedback is welcome. However, the discussion has lead to these POSITIVE changes and we're not reversing them. Feedback can continue to help with positive changes. 

 

~ Grim

[iceman66]

Feedback is welcome. However, the discussion has lead to these POSITIVE changes and we're not reversing them. Feedback can continue to help with positive changes. 

 

~ Grim

 

Noted That is what I thought.  I just wanted to make sure players knew they could still make suggestions.  Thank you.

[Undjuvion]

 

Warriors Elixir. Loyalty: 500

 

Fury Level : 300 Duration : 300m

Berserk Level : 300 Duration : 300m

Dark Curse Level : 225 Duration : 300m

Enchanted Weapon Level : 1000 Duration : 300m

Wither Level : 350 Duration : 300m

Shatter Armor Level : 300 Duration : 300m

 

i could settle for this BG! it'd make for a decent ladder potion, there were other ideas, perhaps better than this, tho i'd settle for this amendment! i feel as it is, it just would literally never be used unless it was 25 tokens then prob only by new players not knowing much, likely.

 

Tokens are more of a commodity now so it has to be worth selecting.

 

As you know, it would be sweet if none of these potions were a flop.

Edited by Undjuvion, 17 September 2021 - 22:19.

[BadPenny]

 

 

Warriors Elixir. Loyalty: 500

 

Fury Level : 300 Duration : 300m

Berserk Level : 300 Duration : 300m

Dark Curse Level : 225 Duration : 300m

Enchanted Weapon Level : 1000 Duration : 300m

Wither Level : 350 Duration : 300m

Shatter Armor Level : 300 Duration : 300m

 

i could settle for this BG! it'd make for a decent ladder potion, there were other ideas, perhaps better than this, tho i'd settle for this amendment! i feel as it is, it just would literally never be used unless it was 25 tokens then prob only by new players not knowing much, likely.

 

Tokens are more of a commodity now so it has to be worth selecting.

 

As you know, it would be sweet if none of these potions were a flop.

 

I would use it provided I had enough tokens