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#1 Toreth

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Posted 28 February 2024 - 17:02

The case for +8 Stamina Gain Epics via the Introduction Through Guild Versus Guild Combat
 
I know the stance of HCG has been adamantly against +8 Stamina Gain (SG from now on) Epics for a long while, but I’d like to broach the subject from a different angle here in order to help bolster the argument FOR introducing the +8 SG Items.
 
TL;DR:
  • Investment Average Cost for 5,000 RP +8 SG Item = ~10,246 FSP in Stam + ~1,275 FSP in Additional Expenses
  • Gain Difference in +8 SG over a +7 SG = 8,766 Stam = ~351 FSP
  • Overall Net Profit in Circulated FSP of ~11,170 FSP
  • Epic Provides Item of ~31.5 Years of Positive Valuation to HCG Before Item Pays for Itself
  • In adding a +8 SG item, it in turn grants the players the potential to be more active in FS. Because of this, it also could provide each person to eventually get their hands on a +8 SG to dive into other aspects of FS they haven't participated in prior to its introduction.
First, let’s look at how much extra stamina PER YEAR a single +8 SG Item has over a +7 Item.
 
A +7 SG Item Yields 61,362 Stam Per Year at 365.25 Days (To Account for our Leap Years) while a +8 SG Item Yields 70,128 Stam Per Year at 365.25 Days – a difference of 8,766 Stam Per Year. Looking at this from a FSP to Stam cost at the given 1 FSP = 25 Stam, we’re left with ~351 FSP of item valuation.
 
Secondly, let’s look at the stamina and monetary cost for each tier, in regards to hits, of GvG conflict.
 
Values were gauged on average for Composing Potions, eggs, and a roundabout gold cost given to potential frag costs per player involved in each GvG conflict which resulted in approximately 1,000,000 gold per hitter and 1,000 stamina to fill in gapped buffs. Given these values, we see that 50 round conflicts cost 2,000,000 gold and 2,000 stamina, 75 round conflicts cost 3,000,000 gold and 3,000 stamina, and 100 round conflicts cost 4,000,000 gold and 4,000 stamina to cover each of the minimum number of participants. In addition to this, we also look at initiation costs for each conflict - 1 FSP and 50,000 gold each. As you’ll see below, the investment here will only account for initiating costs and stamina + gold use for Composed Potions ONLY as they’re fairly standard and most have access to those.
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And for this one, the cost for each hitter can be seen stamina-wise while accounting for Conserve 345 used from Composed Potions as well.
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In total, thanks to the charts, we can now look at total investment for each tier of conflict:
  • 50-Hit Conflict
    • 1 Conflict: 1 FSP; 2,050,000 Gold; 2,410 Stam
    • 20 Conflicts: 20 FSP; 3,000,000 Gold; 10,200 Stam
    • 5,000 RP Conflicts: 500 FSP; 75,000,000 Gold; 255,000 Stam
  • 75-Hit Conflict
    • 1 Conflict: 1 FSP; 3,050,000 Gold; 3,610 Stam
    • 20 Conflicts: 20 FSP; 4,000,000 Gold; 15,300 Stam
    • 5,000 RP Conflicts: 334 FSP; 50,700,000 Gold; 256,410 Stam
  • 100-Hit Conflict
    • 1 Conflict: 1 FSP; 4,050,000 Gold; 4,820 Stam
    • 20 Conflicts: 20 FSP; 5,000,000 Gold; 20,400 Stam
    • 5,000 RP Conflicts: 250 FSP; 38,500,000 Gold; 257,000 Stam
(Our highest level RP Epic in the game, the Ridged Plate Cuirass at level 2500, takes two each of Bobanarts Crystal Skull at 250 RP each, 2 Bottle of Gorgon Tears at 500 RP each, and 2 Fang of Meng Zhang at 1,000 RP each for a total of 3,500 RP. With the level 2500 Ridged Plate Cuirass already at a +7 SG, an uptick to 5,000 RP instead of a minor increase to 4,000 in order to drive more player activity would further increase the demand while also keep supply more limited - hence the use of 5,000 RP as the sticking point)
 
Finally, let’s look at investment cost versus benefit now that the variables have been defined and presented.
 
As seen in point one, a +8 SG item provides an overall stam gain difference of 8,766 Stam per year over a current +7 SG item (~351 FSP). As seen in point two, we can see overall investment costs into obtaining 5,000 RP is ridiculously high compared to what the overall benefit would be per year - an average of 256,140 stam across all of the tiers of combats (~10,246 FSP IN STAM ONLY with an added ~1,275 FSP average in monetary costs between gold and FSP = ~11,521 FSP total valuation). The difference here is astronomical and only shows that the circulated FSP potential in a +8 RP epic would have staying power and last for the long term future.
 
I know the idea behind +8 SG items has been taboo of sorts for a little while, but this should shine light on why they are a net positive for HCG and the brand. The players just want more reasons to play the game and to spend more time actively on FS; this implementation only goes to benefit everyone involved with FS.


#2 drdoom123

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Posted 28 February 2024 - 21:02

Very well put, will certainly make gvg more active im all for anything that makes the game more active, will also encourage people to buy dots to pay for these epics if they don’t want to gvg for it so in my eyes a win win alllllllllll around !

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#3 shindrak

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Posted 12 March 2024 - 21:43

@HuntedCow your comment here?

It seems this is a well-rounded analysis showing that +8 stamina epics won't hurt the game at all but it will be more in your favor in terms of revenues...



#4 EpicPiety

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Posted 13 March 2024 - 12:44

The main thing I'm taking away here is the Cows main reason for not wanting to add +8 is stamina gain creep. Adding +8 epics through GvG is actually a net loss on stamina gain for what just a few decades in a perfect world (Applied in realistic scenario's probably longer).
 

 

  • Epic Provides Item of ~31.5 Years of Positive Valuation to HCG Before Item Pays for Itself

+8 epics added through GvG will basically never be a net gain. The quoted calculation was done through simple math.

Really hoping minds at HCS may be changed on this when looking at the math. We are at a critical point, this will knock out two birds with one stone. Economy Issues will at least be temporarily fixed and there will be a huge surge in activity across the game.

To end off, I'm sure folks at HCS have noticed there is a massive FSP drought in the game and it will most likely only get worse if left alone. This is a extremely severe issue for the game, any game that has premium currency for that matter.


Edited by EpicPiety, 13 March 2024 - 16:22.


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Posted 14 March 2024 - 13:30

Ughh had a huge message wrote out and accidentally hit the go back button on phone … so now it’s yeah… we need a change.. badly


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