Whats that HC's ?
Me and venom joined "Forged tourney" with "same setups" but his sets unforged .
So i had 300 more arm/dmg
Can you explain this damage happen there please?
In this case forging gears waste of gold...
Forge gears useless ?
Started by shindrak, Apr 12 2012 19:24
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 19:24
Whats that HC's ?
Me and venom joined "Forged tourney" with "same setups" but his sets unforged .
So i had 300 more arm/dmg
Can you explain this damage happen there please?
In this case forging gears waste of gold...
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 19:26
The arena dont like you anymore Shin :wink:
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 19:26
Whats that HC's ?
Me and venom joined "Forged tourney" with "same setups" but his sets unforged .
So i had 300 more arm/dmg
Can you explain this damage happen there please?
In this case forging gears waste of gold...
O_o I'm glad I don't play the arena, thats... just.. crazy
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 19:42
According to my calculation Shindrak's damage reduced -18.88% from what it should have been.... whilst mine increased by a whooping 26% .... variance???...
Can someone please tell us what is the range of this variance?
Can someone please tell us what is the range of this variance?
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 19:46
This is just crazy variance... would be better if they make it just 0-1% more or less that would be enough variance damage if the stats was exactly same....According to my calculation Shindrak's damage reduced -18.88% from what it should have been.... whilst mine increased by a whooping 26% .... variance???...
Can someone please tell us what is the range of this variance?
But seems that's one of the reasons not much players join arena or quit this gambling.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 19:48
Shin its because venom is reall HOOF in disguise LOL but holy crap i dont get that at all the variance there is crazy and its shows u u dont always win in the best set eh
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 19:51
Shin its because venom is reall HOOF in disguise LOL but holy crap i dont get that at all the variance there is crazy and its shows u u dont always win in the best set eh
:roll:
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 20:35
What are the stats of the setups forged? and the stats unforged?
Could the damage be so different that the Power attack increased that much % more than the other?
Power Attack increases by a % versus PA? (it doesn't say that in the description, but it still could.)
Or maybe PA increased with a % no matter what, as it does for every hit after that hit.
That, plus some mysterious variance could get the damage up that much?
I hope one day HCS will mention the variance % and the fatigue loss % in the description of the PvP Arena guide area.
Could a Hooved member comment on this thread?
Could the damage be so different that the Power attack increased that much % more than the other?
Power Attack increases by a % versus PA? (it doesn't say that in the description, but it still could.)
Or maybe PA increased with a % no matter what, as it does for every hit after that hit.
That, plus some mysterious variance could get the damage up that much?
I hope one day HCS will mention the variance % and the fatigue loss % in the description of the PvP Arena guide area.
Could a Hooved member comment on this thread?
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 20:42
What are the stats of the setups forged? and the stats unforged?
Could the damage be so different that the Power attack increased that much % more than the other?
Power Attack increases by a % versus PA? (it doesn't say that in the description, but it still could.)
Or maybe PA increased with a % no matter what, as it does for every hit after that hit.
That, plus some mysterious variance could get the damage up that much?
I hope one day HCS will mention the variance % and the fatigue loss % in the description of the PvP Arena guide area.
Could a Hooved member comment on this thread?
My stats was 5.5k arm 8k dmg , and venom 5.4k arm 7.8k dmg
i had 300 more stats on arm/dmg with forges...
The points why "Forges" useless/waste of gold and why this Variance too high?*Question for cows*
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 21:06
What are the stats of the setups forged? and the stats unforged?
Could the damage be so different that the Power attack increased that much % more than the other?
Power Attack increases by a % versus PA? (it doesn't say that in the description, but it still could.)
Or maybe PA increased with a % no matter what, as it does for every hit after that hit.
That, plus some mysterious variance could get the damage up that much?
I hope one day HCS will mention the variance % and the fatigue loss % in the description of the PvP Arena guide area.
Could a Hooved member comment on this thread?
My stats was 5.5k arm 8k dmg , and venom 5.4k arm 7.8k dmg
i had 300 more stats on arm/dmg with forges...
The points why "Forges" useless/waste of gold and why this Variance too high?*Question for cows*
That's within 5% variance (barely) assuming you're rounding.
Your effective damage could be reduced by 5% to 7600. Venom's effective armor could be increased to 5670. Your damage would then be 7600-5670, or 1930, then doubled by PA to 3860.
You got the very bad end of variance, but this is not a huge aberration.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 21:12
whatever still They have to nerf variance thing or non will forge their sets anymoreWhat are the stats of the setups forged? and the stats unforged?
Could the damage be so different that the Power attack increased that much % more than the other?
Power Attack increases by a % versus PA? (it doesn't say that in the description, but it still could.)
Or maybe PA increased with a % no matter what, as it does for every hit after that hit.
That, plus some mysterious variance could get the damage up that much?
I hope one day HCS will mention the variance % and the fatigue loss % in the description of the PvP Arena guide area.
Could a Hooved member comment on this thread?
My stats was 5.5k arm 8k dmg , and venom 5.4k arm 7.8k dmg
i had 300 more stats on arm/dmg with forges...
The points why "Forges" useless/waste of gold and why this Variance too high?*Question for cows*
That's within 5% variance (barely) assuming you're rounding.
Your effective damage could be reduced by 5% to 7600. Venom's effective armor could be increased to 5670. Your damage would then be 7600-5670, or 1930, then doubled by PA to 3860.
You got the very bad end of variance, but this is not a huge aberration.
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Posted 12 April 2012 - 21:22
after seeing this, i don't know if i should forge my gears anymore lol
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 00:06
The variance is currently +/- 5% for both armor and damage in the PvP Arena.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 00:10
Heh, I thought this thread was referring to forging in general.. It's not exactly 'useless', the benefits of forging are however pretty minimal when compared to the costs though, especially up at the higher levels.
In my opinion, it's about time this outdated system was given a revamp.
Either drop the costs or improve the benefits.
In my opinion, it's about time this outdated system was given a revamp.
Either drop the costs or improve the benefits.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 00:36
Yep.Heh, I thought this thread was referring to forging in general.. It's not exactly 'useless', the benefits of forging are however pretty minimal when compared to the costs though, especially up at the higher levels.
Again.In my opinion, it's about time this outdated system was given a revamp.
Either drop the costs or improve the benefits.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 03:51
The variance is currently +/- 5% for both armor and damage in the PvP Arena.
Why the variance is needed now?
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:22
The variance is currently +/- 5% for both armor and damage in the PvP Arena.
Hello Hoof,
I can prove that its not +/- 5% using the stats used in the tournament mentioned by Shindrak..
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 04:26
after seeing this, i don't know if i should forge my gears anymore lol
you forge your gears
I have never bothered with crafting and forging... especially with so many non forge torunies...Imagine early Rome... a gladiator comes to the arena and says since i don't have proper equipment will you have another arena for me where i don't have to face the guys with good gear ...
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 09:30
Would be better if you lower it hoof... to +/- 1% when the stats exactly same! ...The variance is currently +/- 5% for both armor and damage in the PvP Arena.
5% too much and makes arena rely on too much luck
I prefer to see it all removed... I forge/craft my gears to get better stats not to waste my gold.
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Posted 13 April 2012 - 10:54
This is just crazy variance... would be better if they make it just 0-1% more or less that would be enough variance damage if the stats was exactly same....According to my calculation Shindrak's damage reduced -18.88% from what it should have been.... whilst mine increased by a whooping 26% .... variance???...
Can someone please tell us what is the range of this variance?
But seems that's one of the reasons not much players join arena or quit this gambling.
I wonder if HCS has a gambling lisence now shin ?
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