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[Egami]

How can you lump in the "I don't mind" votes with the "No" votes? It seems to me that "I don't mind" is closer to "Yes" than it is "No"

Cy... nicely pointed out as it corrects a misinterpretation of data.

 

However, your interpretation is also "incorrect" or, better put, "indeterminable". Sure... for YOU the "don't mind" is closer to yes.

 

I have spent over a year commenting once in awhile on the various FS polls that the survey questions need to be made "very tight". 

 

Despite suggesting "don't care", I still applauded, what I think is, the first ever addition to the poll. 

 

The problem with "don't mind" is that the interpretation is subjective.

 

To float my own boat, taking surveys is complicated and there is no foolproof method... no matter how much you tweak it. Here's an example of how I ran my questions to "try" and cover all possibilities and avoid subjective conclusions on the results: 

https://forums.hunte...tive-criticism/

 

The only OBJECTIVE interpretation of this poll is that 974 voted no and 515 voted yes. There can be "no conclusion" on what "don't mind" actually means. 

 

Personally, I doubt that the "don't mind"s can really be included in either category. 

 

Stats are easily manipulated. Personally, I look at the 974 and the 515 and it's clear that almost twice as many people were against it.

[Egami]

Bounty hunter xp loss on the board should remain. It added a bit more of excitement to the whole *dance*.

+1

 

Completely skimming... but I tried to like this post and had reached my max, gee... wonder why? lol. Prosperous smacking everybody...

[bigchaos]

I have to say when those use word of majority voted old ladder is not correct, since the percentile of no's and I do not care means that.  NOT all players are happy going back to old ladder! Personally I like to see real pvping and that was when I started when we had to maintain pvp point status system and all were targets.  My point has been this real pvp players enjoy a challenge . I really hope hcs can overhaul the ladder to make it interesting.  New prizes given out is not enough in my book .   I really hope the automated bb stays or there will be many no bounties on bb for days on end again. 

 

I will state again before I started seasons that I had my bb and sh medal all ready and stated the old system was not all that interesting or much of a challenge with limited targets. I hope hcs will give some hints of what they have in mind for improvements to old ladder and bb in order to keep players like myself who will want to play the ladder pvp/bb system. 

 

Thank you for letting me post my opinion and this is to help hcs that I am not the whole community just one player that likes having fun smashing when it is a challenge and interesting. 

[Egami]

We're happy to discuss future improvements and if you have some good ideas please do post them up as new threads on the forum.

 

Been a long 24+ hours. I would do this myself but I'm pretty dang tired and don't have the RL stamina, lmao. 

 

I would like to suggest that somebody that has had some coffee start a thread where FS Players can post links to the threads on their suggestions. 

 

In other words... there are a lot of reactions to the recent votes and decisions. Hoof has repeatedly suggested that "you" start threads with your suggestions. 

 

Some thoughts have been on "PvP", some on the "BB" and some on "GvG". 

 

Hoof's suggestion is key in my book. Personally, I think the recent "Seasons" update tackled way too many issues at the same item. I did comment on this... Feedback needs to deal with specific possibilities so the community can vote on it. 

 

To explain: If I post and have opinions on five different topics, it's highly unlikely that you will like my post. Even if you like 4 of the suggestions. 

 

In short, I'd really like people to follow Hoof's suggestion and give their input in a thread with an "efficient" poll. But what I really would like is a general thread based on the recent decision that can be used to direct players to everything related.

 

Ie, Suggestions for improvement after the recent the PvP Seasons decision. Post the link to your topic here...

 

Each player can then create their separate thread and in the above topic, post a link to it. 

 

Hope that's clear... the sandman is calling. 

[DeadParrot]

I've been reading the forums for the past few weeks as I seek other, more stable forms of electronic entertainment. Comparing this whole situation with others, I'd like to constructively point out 2 massive errors in the way FS is headed:

(Note: FS was an amazing community game)

1) HCS by far, converses, relates, and appeases their players with far too much regularity. Never have I encountered this frequent 2-way with devs. A great thing you say? Not when there are so many whiners and fickle complainers out there, everyone with their own agenda. There should NEVER be player polls to determine the direction of a game...too many chiefs. Which relates to my second point;

2) The players of FS are PAYING TO PLAY ON A TEST SERVER (in time and/or money). While separate test servers are usually employed to test mechanics and coding bugs, HCS does not. Why? Perhaps because of the constant bombardment of player requests for speed and calls for accountability to the player base. The poor devs must feel stretched all to heck.

So what now? Who knows, but I certainly hope the Cows start to let the phone ring without answering it. Set the vision, test it, implement, adjust it if buggy. This forum is quite entertaining though (I just wish FS was once again).

DP

[Blenny]

And for the people who were saying that the new BB was more fun, yeah right lol, let me explain it to you

OLD BB as a the one on board: you used to fight hard once you get on board trying to prevent yourself from getting knocked 5 levels down maybe get 10 stams at some point ? It had adrenaline lol and you didn't ever know how much you will lose, losing levels was fun back then!!

NEW BB as the one on board: there is nothing you can do about it, I was surprised how people got supper buffed and cloaked, like really ? You will lose the indicated levels now or the next week it doesn't matter really IMO. There was no fun at all about it, you just sit and watch yourself losing.

OLD BB bounty hunter: it was harder and more fun as you were sometimes "dancing" with your opponent, you were forced to complete the whole bounty as fast as you can before anyone else to get the reward also you risked being counter bountied.

NEW BB bounty hunter: you come at any time get a hit or two and get thier rewards without trying to complete it or spending anytime on it or being fast enough or starting it fast, no fun here !!

Seriously you should be last person to speak about the BB. You're not even on the top 250! The old system was DEAD one or two bounties were usually up, four at best and it was always the same people. How exactly is that "harder and more fun"? 

[Windbattle]

read over the home page poll results a few times ... some good things were tweaked by resorting back to the old system while others got worse by going back to the old system.

 

Things I liked about the newest update:

 

- Added XP loss to future Rated Season hits (It was a big absurd not to have XP loss on pvp attacks and made it too close to gvg).

 

- PvP Seasons as a PvP event is a nice idea but make them somewhat consistent. shouldn't take multiple years to get a silver pvp seasons medal, LOL

 

- Although i'm not a huge fan for pvp ladder, some many people were for it it boggled my mind. If it keeps some people, happy I suppose it doesn't hurt.

 

- Considering more polls / feedback before making big changes to the game. I think that is smart suggestion if your not going to stick with your original plans on new pvp changes. 

 

- PvP Prestige hits going back into effect.

 

 

Now for the Bad:

 

- PvP ladders are still not competitive and need some tweaks to mechanics to be a good aspect of the game. 

 

- GvG is getting nuked 5x RP because of the re-instatement of 10-100 stam attacks.

 

- Nuking of Titan League / 1st overall in titan league medal. The idea of a premier pvp league was a good idea, just needed to be executed a bit more.

Edited by Windbattle, 11 August 2015 - 05:13.

[Windbattle]

Seriously you should be last person to speak about the BB. You're not even on the top 250! The old system was DEAD one or two bounties were usually up, four at best and it was always the same people. How exactly is that "harder and more fun"? 

 

I completely agree. The old BB is going to be a dusty place without anyone in it. Most will stay away from pvp hitting because certain players love to inflict max XP loss / risk to others. That bully mentality keeps many from trying / embracing pvp outside of a prestige hit.

 

The new BB was full of names to hit, could be profitable to take bounties with the Total Bounty system in place, and was fun for a lot of people (not all but MOST). To be somewhat critical, the BB system was a little light on XP loss from the sense you could hit a lot of people / farm gold and get posted every few days for 1-3 levels gone ... however it encouraged PVP. That was the point of the update, to get more people to pvp, right? Or to appease the same people that are already pvping? That is the REAL ISSUE going on here.

Edited by Windbattle, 11 August 2015 - 05:18.

[Blenny]

I completely agree. The old BB is going to be a dusty place without anyone in it. Most will stay away from pvp hitting because certain players love to inflict max XP loss / risk to others. That bully mentality keeps many from trying / embracing pvp outside of a prestige hit.

 

The new BB was full of names to hit, could be profitable to take bounties with the Total Bounty system in place, and was fun for a lot of people (not all but MOST). To be somewhat critical, the BB system was a little light on XP loss from the sense you could hit a lot of people / farm gold and get posted every few days for 1-3 levels gone ... however it encouraged PVP. That was the point of the update, to get more people to pvp, right? Or to appease the same people that are already pvping? That is the REAL ISSUE going on here.

I loved this new BB system because no matter what time I logged in their were plenty of opponents to choose from. The gold or xp loss didn't bother me. I was taking bounties worth less than 2K a hit. Once the old system was started a few years ago I hated it and quit after I got my gold (I occasionally cleared buddies from time to time). Once this new system was introduced I was grabbing bounties left and right I mean their was so much to pick from (yes I'm aware it has recently died down a bit but still more bounties than the old one ). Now that HCS has decided to revert back I'm sad and annoyed because it'll be the same old dead board as before. 

[rowbeth]

The problem with "don't mind" is that the interpretation is subjective.

 

Have to disagree here. "don't mind" means just what it says: I have no significant objections to either outcome.

 

Whether people wanted it to mean something else when they voted is a different issue - but the same could be said about the yes and no (it is clear from the forum than many people wanted "yes" to mean "yes, BUT" - sim for "no"), and mis-voting is not subjective interpretation.

 

A perfectly reasonable interpretation of this poll is that 75% of players were at least non unhappy for the game to revert, while 52% were at least non unhappy to keep the new version. Or put that negatively: 25% would be unhappy to revert, but 48% would be unhappy to keep the new system. Were I HCS, I would certainly not want to make almost half my customers unhappy. (Not that 1/4 is good, but it is certainly better than 1/2.)

[matt2269f]

i wanna give props to hcs for deciding to do the poll - but the poll itself was an epic failure 

 

gave players one of 3 options to vote on a variety of things 

 

bounty board should have had its own choices 

 

seasons should have had its own choices 

 

i personally liked the new bb and the seasons but both are flawed and need tweaks done to improve them 

 

 i think the reason "no"  got more votes is cuz players that get hit cant post bounties themselves - this really pissed a lot of players off -- so no matter matter how many may of liked the 'new' system that 1 aspect is enough to make a lot of players vote "no"

[matt2269f]

a more proper poll should have been like this --->

 

do you like the seasons 

 

a) yes as is 

b)yes but needs changes 

C) no 

D) no opinion 

 

do you like the new bounty board?

 A) yes as is 

b)yes but needs changes 

C) no

D) no opinion

Edited by matt2269f, 11 August 2015 - 07:44.

[yotwehc]

i wanna give props to hcs for deciding to do the poll - but the poll itself was an epic failure

gave players one of 3 options to vote on a variety of things

bounty board should have had its own choices

seasons should have had its own choices

i personally liked the new bb and the seasons but both are flawed and need tweaks done to improve them

i think the reason "no" got more votes is cuz players that get hit cant post bounties themselves - this really pissed a lot of players off -- so no matter matter how many may of liked the 'new' system that 1 aspect is enough to make a lot of players vote "no"

I would add that the epic failure of the seasons roll out really jaded a lot of players. Since most don't follow the forums and get asked what do you think of the new system, of course they are going to hate it. Anyway, all water under the bridge. Time to move forward (backward?).

[matt2269f]

one thing that may send me running is the proposed xp loss of future events like the seasons -im sure as hell not gonna be going against eoc players with xp loss on the line 

[feralnoob]

one thing that may send me running is the proposed xp loss of future events like the seasons -im sure as hell not gonna be going against eoc players with xp loss on the line .

Well you better stick to other aspects of game I say xp loss is a must..

[matt2269f]

we already done tried that in the very beginning of seasons and the outrage of players being smashed offline sent hcs into a revert 

[Hoofmaster]

Just posted up a new thread to gather ideas for new PvP Ladder rewards

 

https://forums.hunte...ou-like-to-see/

[matt2269f]

personally i think you guys should redo the poll but be more specific in what your asking instead of lumping it all together - i think you will get a totally different result 

 

but thats just my 2 cents 

[BigGrim]

What's to come of these trophies? Totally worthless and a waste of stam?

I would like to know what will happen with these seasonal trophies we've got

They will continue to be awarded through the Season Global I think along with the Chests, though the number of potions in each chest will likely be heavily decreased. They may be obtainable in the Ladders too, though I feel the best way to earn the most will likely be the Seasons.

[matt2269f]

i like the way the chest was done so it didnt take up a ton of bp slots / any way to store the trophies without consuming bp space ?