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[levy1977]

as for your old school pvp heart i call that into question....did u pvp when u were in white crows? nope...only when u ran to join a pvp guild so u had back up....again pvp= player vs player

Sorry to get off topic and defend someone here, but I have known the player you are accusing for many many years, and she has been a PvPer and GvGer for far longer than just her joining a PvP guild. She has been a PvPer since Crows. I testify to that. 

 

 

Now, on Topic, this smasher medal is meaningless because of the "free hitting" being offered, that is a fact. 

I will 100% call my Bronze Smasher medal is a joke, I got it for free, knowing I could smash some players for free with no retribution, so don't anyone pretend its not being exploited. 

 

Just like how everyone back in the day exploited the dominance medal and passed points, smasher is being offered up on a silver platter. 

 

Something that needs to be fixed, is that super over charged Ruby Bounty Hunting medal.. what a load of crap that is to have to get 5x the Crystal medal to earn it.. 

 

Knowing what I know now, deleveling has ruined PvP, as nobody fears losing levels, and the threat of it is comical, because in the larger picture, you are doing nearly everyone who is on the bounty board a favor if you take 5 levels from them.. so that DOES need to be looked at and addressed down the road. 

[levy1977]

If ppl wanna drop in levels; Fine, that is their choice. Making a mockery of 2 medals, which hold meaning to some, is not!

 

100% agree with this.. 

 

Its not the deleveling, its the mockery being made of the medals. 

[maf22]

If it helps keep their interest in the game and keeps people logging in, let them delevel themselves. Most complaints are coming from those who arent at EOC. I know i hate waiting for my stam to get full to hunt just think if there was no where to go....  What would you do??    BUT  I dont agree with them placing bounties on the players that clear with 10 stam hits and asking someone to waste 900 stam and stop before getting the reward.  A player using 900 or 1000 or even 100 stam to clear a player from the board deserves the reward.  If you want someone to use 100 stam hits then pay them to do so, the lower level players have been buying over priced buffs from most of the EOC for a long time as it is, they can return the favor.   Just my view on the situation  and yes the smasher medal is the most bogus medal obtained

[sweetlou]

Something that needs to be fixed, is that super over charged Ruby Bounty Hunting medal.. what a load of crap that is to have to get 5x the Crystal medal to earn it.. 

This is VERY true! It's incredible the demand for that medal is so high. No wonder it `appears` no one gives a flying fig about tossing up 'free' bountys, even when players are advertising them. This is a blatant exploit that reeks of avariciousness.

[sweetlou]

I just want the cows to be aware that you aren't even hitting anyone to get on the bb. What the hell is that if not an exploit? 

On top of that bug I want to add that you can also "take" and therefore be bountied again as Calista said more then one at a time on the same person. This never used to be possible until the first bounty on the same person was completed. So there's actually TWO bugs in the neglected and exploited system!

[yotwehc]

Now, on Topic, this smasher medal is meaningless because of the "free hitting" being offered, that is a fact. 

I will 100% call my Bronze Smasher medal is a joke, I got it for free, knowing I could smash some players for free with no retribution, so don't anyone pretend its not being exploited. 

 

Just like how everyone back in the day exploited the dominance medal and passed points, smasher is being offered up on a silver platter. 

 

Something that needs to be fixed, is that super over charged Ruby Bounty Hunting medal.. what a load of crap that is to have to get 5x the Crystal medal to earn it.. 

 

Knowing what I know now, deleveling has ruined PvP, as nobody fears losing levels, and the threat of it is comical, because in the larger picture, you are doing nearly everyone who is on the bounty board a favor if you take 5 levels from them.. so that DOES need to be looked at and addressed down the road. 

As far as the smashing medal goes, if your against the bunny hitting then you have a point. If your for the way Smashing medal was when first introduced when it was a free for all, then your a hypocrite.

 

As far as fear of losing levels, I still fear it. To me, the only people who don't fear it are PVP'rs who want to stay at a certain level and bored EOC'rs. You seem to be painting with broadstrokes when you claim that nobody fears losing levels. Is that what this game is about? instilling fear in other players? o_O

[sweetlou]

As far as the smashing medal goes, if your against the bunny hitting then you have a point. If your for the way Smashing medal was when first introduced when it was a free for all, then your a hypocrite.

 

As far as fear of losing levels, I still fear it. To me, the only people who don't fear it are PVP'rs who want to stay at a certain level and bored EOC'rs. You seem to be painting with broadstrokes when you claim that nobody fears losing levels. Is that what this game is about? instilling fear in other players? o_O

Sorry dude but you need to step off that soapbox, and stop the name calling with the abusive accusatory tone. You're always attacking someone, making it personal, and writing like a cornered animal. I get that you're scared about stuff but this is just a game! Levy's only giving an opinion and I, personally, respect his opinion playing the game a whole lot more than your nonconstructive word attacks. Just use logical arguments. Come out of your rabbit hole. Stop trippin.

[yotwehc]

Sorry dude but you need to step off that soapbox, and stop the name calling with the abusive accusatory tone. You're always attacking someone, making it personal, and writing like a cornered animal. I get that you're scared about stuff but this is just a game! Levy's only giving an opinion and I, personally, respect his opinion playing the game a whole lot more than your nonconstructive word attacks. Just use logical arguments. Come out of your rabbit hole. Stop trippin.

I'm the name caller? Look in the mirror. lol. hypocrite was the only word I used and if someone is complaining about the easy button the EOC'rs have then they turn around and say smashing bunnies is not an easy button, well... does not compute... Shoe is fitting...

 

LEt's see... I'm on a soapbox, I'm abusive and accusatory. I'm attacking. I'm making it personal. I'm a cornered animal. I'm non constructive. I'm in a rabbit hole. I'm trippin... yeah... no name calling there. lol...

 

wow...

 

Now to stay on topic, I summarized previously the issues. Am I wrong? Am i missing something? Someone did point out a hole in my top list suggestion and I don't know how to work it but at least it's a starting point and not the.. err... name calling your doing. Either way, if any action is taken, the top guild list is going to be flawed. If the cows were to implement a change to stop the "exploit" all who have done it to this point have their advantage sealed in stone.

 

Here's my list again. PLEASE tell me what is wrong.

Much ado about nothing. My suggestions:
GXP "exploit" - make another top list. One with current calculation and one without.
Gold "exploit" - make champions drop less gold. Who farms champions for gold anyway?
Medal "exploit" - I love the hypocrisy. No "easy" button is acceptable. Except when it involves bunnies of course. Lol 

 

So If your biggest beef is the medal exploit, then yes... it's a problem... but don't push for opening up smashing medal to all hits if your against "easy"

[yotwehc]

Knowing what I know now, deleveling has ruined PvP, as nobody fears losing levels, and the threat of it is comical, because in the larger picture, you are doing nearly everyone who is on the bounty board a favor if you take 5 levels from them.. so that DOES need to be looked at and addressed down the road. 

 

 

Sorry dude but you need to step off that soapbox, and stop the name calling with the abusive accusatory tone. You're always attacking someone, making it personal, and writing like a cornered animal. I get that you're scared about stuff but this is just a game! Levy's only giving an opinion and I, personally, respect his opinion playing the game a whole lot more than your nonconstructive word attacks. Just use logical arguments. Come out of your rabbit hole. Stop trippin.

Oh and the "fear" and "scared" thing was a concern of your friend... "Knowing what I know now, deleveling has ruined PvP, as nobody fears losing levels..."  Make sure you tell him it's a game..

[koenvdv]

Basically all this is a Null Point until the Cows get off the fence and decide one way or the other.. Some things seem to take forever until they do some thing. Others is about instant.. So not much we as players can do about it.

One could donate a few million dollars so they can set a few more cows behind their type machines.

[gomezkilla]

I see no real harm in this "exploit" for the EOCers to delevel and then relevel back up. If there is a harm, please enlighten me, but so far, there hasn't been anything mentioned in this discussion yet. Guild EXP goes up, EOCers find a way to use their stamina, the BB gets some more attention, PvPing is more active in the higher levels (just guessing there), and the last part is that it isn't against the rules of the game. Its all a win-win situation, its not necessarily a "win" button.

 

Only problem I see that was mentioned in this thread was the threats. Those do need to be taken care of.

 

Think of it in this prospective:

Back in the day, we all played the game as it was created. But then FSHelper script was created! Everyone jumped on that and has used it since! From reading the posts here, I could easily claim that the FSHelper script is exploiting the game. I could also easily say that its a "win" button. But then again, we've had it for years! What did HCS do? They allowed the script to be used. 

 

Just my two cents.

 

Gomez

[RED]

Exploiting isn`t just confined to us deleveling and releveling as its turned into a game to stop select ones of us from doing this. Yes, you know who you are too. I have been targeted simply because of who we are and I never participated in doing any 10 stam clears until one guild apparantly let some of their members get by

with it after I even informed them "POLITELY" that i had not kept any of their members from deleveling.

 

We buy big POTS and we get big POTS from everywhere now.......If we cannot use them then we will probably QUIT.  If this is a problem, SO BE IT.

 

iF WE GET THE CONTENT, THEN WE DON`T HAVE TO DELEVEL..END OF STORY..THANKS RED

 

 

[Belaric]

 

iF WE GET THE CONTENT, THEN WE DON`T HAVE TO DELEVEL..END OF STORY..THANKS RED

 

This is the crux for me. I was seriously thinking about getting on the delevel train between July and September when we had like no content releases from 18th July to 25th September. In the time of no content  there were 2 global events if you count the one that was running at the time of the July content release and three legendaries. Plus 2 cave releases I think. That alone was NOT enough, indeed after a while I felt like they were appearing to try to distract me from the yawning chasm that was WHERE IS THE CONTENT???

 

I was dying for content after the first month... after 2 I was watching my guild gold balance dwindle and thinking it was time to delevel if no new content arrived very soon. There was, if memory serves another long 6+ week gap earlier in the year too, Aprilish maybe. Sporadic content release increases uncertainty and unhappiness - or it did in me, and that is all I can go from really. The increased rate of content since the content roadmap came out and BG made a commitment to content he has stuck with, has massively improved my game experience, to the extent I do not even consider delevelling now - there is more than enough between content, events, SE hunting and Titan hunting for me to be unable to do everything I want with my stam and have to start making decisions about which activity I will limit. Titans are on my back burner for now. But without content, events, SE's and Titans are not enough to keep me going. Content greases the wheels of the game for me, and I think many others.

 

BG is doing awesome with content at present. He deserves great credit. I got to the stage where even 25 a month would keep me going. As can be found stated elsewhere in this forum. Content every 2 weeks would be gold standard, and you would see people struggle to keep up with it in very short order - I know I will once my global pots run out, and if content moves only slightly faster than global rewards come out... the devs probably have a good thing going with donation pots being used. Probably.

 

This will make most people happy, except for folk who make the argument that new players will be depressed when they see EOC so far away and not want to play. I think this argument has been made since content passed 1000, maybe earlier. It might be true, (how do we objectively measure it? Do HCS have a way?) but what to do when we know lack of content makes existing players unhappy? Developer issues, I tell ya!!
 

[RED]

The New player start up needs upgraded, Give them more stam, more of everything and maybe the interest will pick up for newbs.

[lakjack1]

Have been watching this with great interest. have seen where some players are saying get rid of gxp for those doing de levels . Don't think this would be very fair to them as are at end of content as say that they can level quicker than they are made for them to continue play,  plus after having just gotten into pvp myself, would hate to see them use all that excess stamina to just smash players just because they couldn't use it for anything else. Have seen some that want these players to get gxp still, just that they should actually have to go back to the level creature they have de leveled to and earn it. Have seen some players that just don't want the board filled up and players be easy targets with no items on as makes getting the medals to easy. Think the easiest fix here after debating about it late last night on it would be the following which should make all party's happy:

 

1. Create an instant level reset that would cost 100 FSP that sets the player level at whatever that player chooses.

 

2. The player must go to whatever level they reset themselves to an start killing the creatures from that point.

 

I really think that this addresses all issues as to those that feel the top guilds getting too much gxp could ruin the game, besides they will be ahead regardless as look at their maximum stamina's and will tell you just how much they have to spend, however now that they are starting from level reset creature it is not at all near as much extra gxp as before. For levelers now you can still level when stuck at end of content and yes you can not get massive amounts of experience as before, you still get to play and get rewarded for your efforts. Finally medals are saved for those who want them to be earned.

 

One final comment and remember this. Thanks for everyone that is great at whatever aspect they play for while  helping others and making the game interesting. XOXOXO  

 

 

[sweetlou]

Exploiting isn`t just confined to us deleveling and releveling as its turned into a game to stop select ones of us from doing this. Yes, you know who you are too. I have been targeted simply because of who we are and I never participated in doing any 10 stam clears until one guild apparantly let some of their members get by

with it after I even informed them "POLITELY" that i had not kept any of their members from deleveling.

 

We buy big POTS and we get big POTS from everywhere now.......If we cannot use them then we will probably QUIT.  If this is a problem, SO BE IT.

 

iF WE GET THE CONTENT, THEN WE DON`T HAVE TO DELEVEL..END OF STORY..THANKS RED

Nobody is saying you can't delevel and relevel!! Content will never come out fast enough for some players, EVER. What you fail to understand is that the complaints are about exploiting the BB, specifically the smasher and bounty medals WHILE sitting on a champ at 100s and 100s of levels higher and using those global pots. If you would delevel and relevel through realms it would be HARDER on you. Doing the extra WORK and EARNING the gxp for your guild again is what your complaint is!! NOBODY is trying to STOP you, players are simply going after easy and profitable bounties( 1 bounty ticket = 1 FSP and very little buffage). So continue deleveling and releveling ALL you want!!!! Just do it without exploiting being on a champ 500+ levels above you and making a joke of the BB in the process. Threats of quitting are always a sign that you know you're exploiting the system!!

[yotwehc]

Nobody is saying you can't delevel and relevel!! Content will never come out fast enough for some players, EVER. What you fail to understand is that the complaints are about exploiting the BB, specifically the smasher and bounty medals WHILE sitting on a champ at 100s and 100s of levels higher and using those global pots. If you would delevel and relevel through realms it would be HARDER on you. Doing the extra WORK and EARNING the gxp for your guild again is what your complaint is!! NOBODY is trying to STOP you, players are simply going after easy and profitable bounties( 1 bounty ticket = 1 FSP and very little buffage). So continue deleveling and releveling ALL you want!!!! Just do it without exploiting being on a champ 500+ levels above you and making a joke of the BB in the process. Threats of quitting are always a sign that you know you're exploiting the system!!

How about the exploit between PVP guilds soft clearing each other? How do we stop that? I get attacked... I bounty... my attacker is suddenly naked... soft cleared by friendly (or hard cleared depending on whether my attacker wants to get deleveled)... c'mon... be consistent... everyone is making a "mockery" Are they "earning" in this scenario? Happens against me all the time.

 

This is the least of our problems. What should be our focus? getting and keeping players... not about egotistical medals and lists. How about the pvp suggestion from yghorb (sp?). let's put our energy there... not on this perceived "problem."

[Maehdros]

How about the exploit between PVP guilds soft clearing each other? How do we stop that? I get attacked... I bounty... my attacker is suddenly naked... soft cleared by friendly (or hard cleared depending on whether my attacker wants to get deleveled)... c'mon... be consistent... everyone is making a "mockery" Are they "earning" in this scenario? Happens against me all the time.

 

This is the least of our problems. What should be our focus? getting and keeping players... not about egotistical medals and lists. How about the pvp suggestion from yghorb (sp?). let's put our energy there... not on this perceived "problem."

 

 

How is it an exploit to soft clear? If I dont feel like fighting and spending stam and potions to fight a bounty, and I just sit there in stam gear, thats explotation? please explain.

Edited by Maehdros, 07 December 2013 - 22:59.

[yotwehc]

How is it an exploit to soft clear? please explain.

The complaint is how there is a "mockery" of the game mechanics and how people are manipulating it into their own favor. If I'm not mistaken, the BB is for retaliation of a pvp attack. How is it punishment when the person you have just posted is soft cleared by a friend? So not only did the victim lose xp and gold, they get to lose even more gold/fsp to the attackers friend. The attacker makes it easier for the friend to clear the bounty by going naked. I'll take screen shots next time.

 

and for anyone complaining about derail of OP - not my fault - people are asking and I am answering

Edited by yotwehc, 07 December 2013 - 23:07.

[Nikita90]

honestly, the only problem i have had recently is some people demanding 100 stamina hits instead of soft clears. if people want to de-level then so be it, but demanding 100 stamina clears isn't something people should be allowed to demand....