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[BigGrim]

Can we, then, have someone from "that time" answer our question?

I am really, really curious as to what was the thought behind putting XP loss into the equation.

 

To be honest, it's fairly irrelevant.

 

 

Yes, like it is now, but with no xp loss which will only increase the abusing as no one will have even their xp to lose while doing it.

 

Utter nonsense. If anything, with more people being willing to take part, it'd make abuse harder.

 

Not again that " bullying " discussion cuz we will just go arounf in circles, isn't the rules of the game is that you can attack a person every hour ? Also I think removing XP loss will mean that attacks will no longer be bountied,,right ? So killing bounty board as there will be nothing in the game you can bounty

 

I've had to deal with the results of bullying in-game, so I know what I'm talking about. 

 

No, the removal of XP Loss does not result in the removal of the Bounty Board. The BB would take gold, item durability and PvP Rating.

 

I only have one question:

 

does hoofmaster agree with removing xp loss from all pvp like you? (I asking this because I not seen hoofmaster for very long time in fallen sword)

 

Yes, he does.

[Mzzery]

I'll just spill my itty bitty cents here, in a small pile..

 

PvP in any game is something that "costs". If there is no risk, then it's pointless. I don't really understand to be honest, and would like to understand what exactly it is that is so abusive with a bit of hitting back and forth? There are xp locks, pvp protections, all kinds of ways to stay safe if that's something someone really wants to do, so how can it be abusive? It's completely impossible to take very much xp, unless someone does something in the first place themselves, and ends up on the bountyboard?

 

To be honest, I have a very hard time seeing how getting revenge for something is a bad thing, and why it should be removed from the game. 

 

Any game without challenges is a boring game. Boredom kills interest and makes people seek elsewhere. I don't want that for FS. I have sooooo many friends on here, and it's been a great few years, but pvp is for me the only challenge left that interests me. If you decide to remove the ability to pvp the way pvp works here, as well as in all other pvp games I play, then I don't see how I'll manage to stay interested in the game.

 

If you look at the full picture, and sit back and think about it for a bit, you'll see that there are soooo many ways to lock xp and to just stay safe from pvp if one wishes. A 10stam takes barely any xp, and a 100stam takes very little as well. It takes many many hours to take levels from someone, (unless they are on the bounty board, in which case they did something themselves to get bountied..), and if someone notices they are being delevelled, they have plenty of time to lock that xp if they want. I've done that a bunch of times myself in the past. It's not a big deal really, but pvp is a big part of the game for a large number of people, and crippling it will only hurt the game, not just for the pvpers, but for the levellers as well.

 

Just my 2 cents... or 5... or 12... a small pile.

[BigGrim]

At the end of the day, it causes too many issues. Yet NONE of you have managed to say why taking XP is more important than PvP Rating. Why do you HAVE to take XP? So you can keep beating someone down? Unacceptable. That kind of behaviour drives people away. Doing it to gain rating still gives you the reason, risk and consequence, just without the ability to ruin someone's game time, and if that is why you want XP loss, to be able to negatively impact someone else's game, then there is something wrong.

[clock96]

BG can you explain how this will help PvP ? You said the attacks can still be bountied so those level lovers will still be sooo afraid to make any hit

[kitobas]

To be honest, it's fairly irrelevant.

 

 

 

 

Utter nonsense. If anything, with more people being willing to take part, it'd make abuse harder.

 

 

I've had to deal with the results of bullying in-game, so I know what I'm talking about. 

 

No, the removal of XP Loss does not result in the removal of the Bounty Board. The BB would take gold, item durability and PvP Rating.

 

 

 

Yes, he does.

then why not hoofmaster coming to this forum and say:

 

yes, I agree with removing xp loss from all pvp?

 

I know hoofmaster is busy but this only taking hoofmaster 30 seconds and I not see him for many months

 

after hoofmaster saying this:

yes, I agree with removing xp loss from all pvp?

after hoofmaster saying this I will not stand in way of your update because 2 admin have same opinion and trying talking about this topic will not change.

 

please tell hoofmaster who is maybe sitting in your office to post this and I will not stand in your way and accept the changes becausethere is nothing I or all pvpers can do against it

 

you said that few pvpers say they do bullying and because of that you want no xp loss because ALL pvpers are now bullies?   but that is not justify-able because what for example few chinese say they did crime, is it justify-able to imprison ALL chinese because of that?

 

forum is wonderful thing where people can write their opinion so please not remove this post if you are honest person,

 

thank you for letting me write my opinion

 kito

[Nikita90]

who decided that removing XP loss from a PVP environment would be a good thing? xp loss is what makes the pvp universe such an exciting place, especially when most of the game is senseless clicking and leveling. NO TO XP LOSS. 

 

 

as for the abuse part of the game that as been brought up as part of the reasoning, i think that is completely insane. 

Edited by Nikita90, 22 September 2014 - 16:49.

[BadPenny]

I can see both sides of this, having many friends on both sides of the debate.  Like Mzz, I don't understand why the small XP loss has ever been a big deal, but if it is, then by all means change the dynamic.  But don't take away from the thrill (seeing "xxx lost 12345628 experience, xxx's level has decreased" is very thrilling, I have to admit). Make some kind of goal to meet to make PvP a worthwhile part of the game again, else it will stagnate like the "ladder" and we'll be back to square one.  No, I don't have answers, I just know how I feel...

[clock96]

At the end of the day, it causes too many issues. Yet NONE of you have managed to say why taking XP is more important than PvP Rating. Why do you HAVE to take XP? So you can keep beating someone down? Unacceptable. That kind of behaviour drives people away. Doing it to gain rating still gives you the reason, risk and consequence, just without the ability to ruin someone's game time, and if that is why you want XP loss, to be able to negatively impact someone else's game, then there is something wrong.

after you remove XP loss here's the conversation of two levellers :-
Leveller 1 : hey dude, how about we get some PvP prestige to get 10% more XP ?
Leveller 2 : Cool, we won't loose even 1 XP neither get bountied if we hit each other for PvP prestige

Imagine the above dialogue between everyone in the game, do you think that this isn't abbuse BG ?

Edited by clock96, 22 September 2014 - 16:49.

[Corrupted]

At the end of the day, it causes too many issues. Yet NONE of you have managed to say why taking XP is more important than PvP Rating. Why do you HAVE to take XP? So you can keep beating someone down? Unacceptable. That kind of behaviour drives people away. Doing it to gain rating still gives you the reason, risk and consequence, just without the ability to ruin someone's game time, and if that is why you want XP loss, to be able to negatively impact someone else's game, then there is something wrong.

People WILL still get beaten down.

What would be the incentive to fight or even defend myself when all there is to lose is some Rating, that works on some Ladder that probably not many would participate in? All the prizes are farmed, sold, and woo. I get my own set, yay. Then I lose interest again and we are back to ground zero.

After that, I could just simply sit around on my boxers, and let others get what they need from me. Same as it is now, but with more people doing it.

It looks to me as this already IS a fact (that XP loss will be taken out), so no point in replying any longer. Good luck and wish the best for this change you're bringing to the game HCS.

Edited by Corrupted, 22 September 2014 - 16:51.

[kitobas]

I do not know who did bully who but because of these players you calling bully you punish me too, I did not bully anyone and you taking part of fallensword game I play from me

 

if proof of bullying you have about these players then please remove *edit* these players *edit* but not punishing other pvpers for their mistakes

Edited by kitobas, 22 September 2014 - 16:52.

[SlntScream]

2 questions.. what would be the point of rating ? And, would xp loss be still applied on the bounty board?

[Mzzery]

At the end of the day, it causes too many issues. Yet NONE of you have managed to say why taking XP is more important than PvP Rating. Why do you HAVE to take XP? So you can keep beating someone down? Unacceptable. That kind of behaviour drives people away. Doing it to gain rating still gives you the reason, risk and consequence, just without the ability to ruin someone's game time, and if that is why you want XP loss, to be able to negatively impact someone else's game, then there is something wrong.

Most of the time, beating someone down is done on someone who also beats people down. It doesn't happen very often to people who don't pvp themselves, and if you mean the BB, it never ever happens to someone innocent, since you have to attack to get bountied in the first place. 

 

Rating is just a side-effect for most pvpers, something that comes without anyone really paying attention to it. Therefore it's small reason, no risk, and irrelevant consequece. 

 

I know how you feel about this, but I would like to mention something here. I used to be second in command of FFS for a long time, and I did nothing but level. I was scared of pvpers, since I thought I'd lose 100s of levels if I got attacked... yes, I was that ... uninformed. I was soooo wrong...  pvp is FUN! I started bounty hunting when I got bored at sitting at end of content, and for me, pvp reignited the interest I had lost in the game, and I know it is the same way for plenty of people in the game.

 

A level is worthless if you never risk losing it. It's the same way as with most things in life. You don't really value things unless you know you might end up losing them. I know I'd get bored the second I knew I never risk losing any xp again. 

 

And again... most of the targets are pvpers themselves anyway. You can't be bountied unless you hit someone.

[kitobas]

I playing this game starting Sep/2007 and I know original pvp system

 

when we had original pvp system I remember online players was at 1500 - 1700 and now we have 350 - 550 online players,

 

please ask hoofmaster about 1500 - 1700 online players when we had original pvp system, hoofmaster will tell you same thing

 

can you please tell why we now have 350 - 550 online players (now in FS game I have this number 439 online players)?

I can only tell you my experience, my many friends who quitting long ago, leaving because original pvp system was changed to make levelers safer <- that my experience from friends and I leaving this game too for long time, you can look in your system if I telling truth

 

what will happen if you implementing no xp loss and online players get lower , will you then bring back original pvp system and see how numbers on online players will get higher or lower?

[Nikita90]

Kitobas does make a very good point. i first started in the game when the new PVP system was being revamped, and only got to enjoy the old PVP for a few months, but my greatest memory was losing 40 levels on one bounty to TWP. every since i joined in on the PVP action I've loved every second of it. with each new implementation or update or upgrade i have been slowly watching my friends log off and never to return. maybe its time to listen to the people who have seen the changes and seen the downfall of the game with each change that most of the time was met with opposition from the community. 

[Calista]

Leave PVP alone! Where the heck is Hoof? He'll never agree to removing the xp loss.

[avvakum]

 That kind of behaviour drives people away.

What make you think that a HUGE change like removing XP loss from PvP will not drive the rest of PvP'ers away?

[avvakum]

At the end of the day, it causes too many issues.

That's a good sign! It means the game is still alive.

 

"If you have a headache, it means you are still alive. Only living people can feel pain; dead ones don't mind so much."

[yodamus]

At the end of the day, it causes too many issues. Yet NONE of you have managed to say why taking XP is more important than PvP Rating. Why do you HAVE to take XP? So you can keep beating someone down? Unacceptable. That kind of behaviour drives people away. Doing it to gain rating still gives you the reason, risk and consequence, just without the ability to ruin someone's game time, and if that is why you want XP loss, to be able to negatively impact someone else's game, then there is something wrong.

+1 million...yes for bg...

[Leos3000]

Removing Xp loss from the game completely is definitely not the best solution... Risk with certain activities will keep the excitement factor up.

while some do use it for bullying, others use it for an adrenaline rush because they are taking a risk in game. Almost like betting.

I am not saying I wouldn't love to see some type of pvp where there is no xp loss where I can compete with others for rating and bragging rights. A colossus type atmosphere where anyone comes to compete with buffs and gear and have an all out brawl attacking as much as they want for an hour.

[Raku]

A level is worthless if you never risk losing it. It's the same way as with most things in life. You don't really value things unless you know you might end up losing them. I know I'd get bored the second I knew I never risk losing any xp again. 

 

This is entirely untrue. The time someone spends investing in something such as levels has value in its self regardless of the chance of loss.

 

after you remove XP loss here's the conversation of two levellers :-
Leveller 1 : hey dude, how about we get some PvP prestige to get 10% more XP ?
Leveller 2 : Cool, we won't loose even 1 XP neither get bountied if we hit each other for PvP prestige

Imagine the above dialogue between everyone in the game, do you think that this isn't abbuse BG ?

Can/does this not happen already between players regardless of being a leveler/pvper with the exception of the exp loss? In other words your focus on levelers is pointless.

 

I playing this game starting Sep/2007 and I know original pvp system

 

when we had original pvp system I remember online players was at 1500 - 1700 and now we have 350 - 550 online players,

 

please ask hoofmaster about 1500 - 1700 online players when we had original pvp system, hoofmaster will tell you same thing

 

can you please tell why we now have 350 - 550 online players (now in FS game I have this number 439 online players)?

I can only tell you my experience, my many friends who quitting long ago, leaving because original pvp system was changed to make levelers safer <- that my experience from friends and I leaving this game too for long time, you can look in your system if I telling truth

 

what will happen if you implementing no xp loss and online players get lower , will you then bring back original pvp system and see how numbers on online players will get higher or lower?

Numerous reasons can be stated as to why there is a decline in the player base. So you asking for someone to confirm your limited view doesn't carry much meaning. Sure it has caused players to leave but it is not the only factor. 

 

Leave PVP alone! Where the heck is Hoof? He'll never agree to removing the xp loss.

Unless BG is a liar he already has.