Nikita90

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10 stamina clears are free from a counter bounty?

Ideally, yes.... one should not be punished for doing one's job.

What if I did 11 stamina clears? Would that be open game for counter bountying?

I have played Fallen Sword for a very long time.  Everybody knows this.  I have made many friends over the years, and I love each and every one of you.  You are the main reason that I play Fallen Sword.

Dramatic changes are coming to Fallen Sword.  At first, I was alarmed and angry about them, and apprehensive that these changes would destroy my favorite game.  But the powers that be assure me that they will not let this happen, so I have chosen to trust them and try to embrace the changes.   I have made this choice public, and have received some unexpected criticism.  I have been called a traitor, pathetic and disappointing.  Being told these things is hurtful.... and it makes me sad to think that I am not as respected as I have endeavored to be.  I am not complaining here, that is not the intent of this note, just stating facts.   My point is, I just want those that have these opinions to know that I am none of these things, and that I hope you will reconsider.  Know this, my feelings about you have not changed, and you will always have a place in my heart.  

Please don't judge me by the company I keep.  Fallen Sword is a diverse community, and my alliances stretch across all class lines.  I judge you by yourself, not your game style or your level or even your longevity in the game, and I would hope you would judge me in the same manner.

To everyone who has stood behind me in these difficult times, thank you.  You can't know how much it means to me.  Thanks for being my friend.

#end rant

I've no idea why a risk of losing 5 levels is so bad. I'm honestly sick of this whole discussion, but I'll just say this one more time (and yes, it's still my 2 cents).

I have seen a load of levelers say they'll get rich now, because they can hit anyone for gold, risk-free. 

I saw someone mention that "pvpxp" or whatever it's to be called, should be needed to attack and take gold... but if "pvpxp" is riskfree to get, then how is that even a hurdle? Levelers won't care about that pvpxp, and pvpers sure don't, so it's pointless to even bother making that some sort of hurdle to grab gold. Gain it, use it, lose it... so? That's something lots of people do with prestige already.

The next bunch of people that will be screaming "bullies!" are the merchants, since they no longer will be able to sell potions for gold, and when that happens, all potions will cost FSPs..... then we'll have a whole new rant in the forums about how expensive the potions and stuff got all of a sudden, and how hard it is for people to level without breaking their bank, unless they have enough max-stams to make the gold back when they hunt.... oh wait... they won't have any gold after they hunt, since everyone in range will be stealing it, risk-free.. 

Good evening everyone

I didn,t mean to interfere but from the start from this post whit so many good reasons why pvp exp need to stay part of the game but mister BigGrim still saying that he don,t see non starting to insulting me and other players which love pvp part of the game.

So let me say my story : 20/Jul/2008 I started this game in that time pvp ladder did not exist yet it was old original pvp . So that year 2008 you go on the Bounty Board it was full 3,4 and even more pages of players been post yes Bounty Board was ALIVE that time , Sadly for me I was doing just leveling that time I miss the most fun time in this game ;( But I start to play pvp part of the game 1 year before you start to change the pvp from worse to worse. First you make this Named PVP LADDER which was not so bad in the start if I,m fair but then you need for some reason put that put out / put in system which is the worst mistake for the part of PVP whit that we get empty Bounty Board and now you wish to take use yet to be able take XP lol I look on calendar if it,s April 1 and you making fun with use but I see that is all that true so please look in the game go to the Bounty board you will see nothing no player on it empty ... And you really wish to make it even worse ?

Nikita90

how is pvp'ing not senseless clicking then?

as a leveler you have to get all your buffs figured , sort out good leveling gear find out where to hunt what to hunt etc etc

as a pvp'er you have to get all your buffs figured , sort out good offensive gear find out who you can take out with a certain setup etc etc

now please tell us what makes the exp loss so exiting to you? that helps out on grim his question earlier aswell.

this is just my opinion of things i do not represent anyone else it's just the way how i experience things at this very moment

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PVP is the only thing in the game that forces interaction. you can level all day and nobody cares. you can make potions all day and they will sell in the ah. YOU can't attack somebody and not expect a response, wether that response be a bounty, a hit back or losing 5. its waking up after being bountied and losing that XP that gets the heart beating. its the wins and losses that you can brag about in guild chat. its thanking friends, allies, and guild members for buffing you on the ladder and on the boards. 

hunting is very mundane in comparison. 99% of the time all that is required is the hunting setup you've used for levels,bunch of easily purchased buffs, and hit hit hit until your stamina dwindles down. the only 1% is when a quest confuses you 

 That kind of behaviour drives people away.

What make you think that a HUGE change like removing XP loss from PvP will not drive the rest of PvP'ers away?

Leave PVP alone! Where the heck is Hoof? He'll never agree to removing the xp loss.

I playing this game starting Sep/2007 and I know original pvp system

when we had original pvp system I remember online players was at 1500 - 1700 and now we have 350 - 550 online players,

please ask hoofmaster about 1500 - 1700 online players when we had original pvp system, hoofmaster will tell you same thing

can you please tell why we now have 350 - 550 online players (now in FS game I have this number 439 online players)?

I can only tell you my experience, my many friends who quitting long ago, leaving because original pvp system was changed to make levelers safer <- that my experience from friends and I leaving this game too for long time, you can look in your system if I telling truth

what will happen if you implementing no xp loss and online players get lower , will you then bring back original pvp system and see how numbers on online players will get higher or lower?

At the end of the day, it causes too many issues. Yet NONE of you have managed to say why taking XP is more important than PvP Rating. Why do you HAVE to take XP? So you can keep beating someone down? Unacceptable. That kind of behaviour drives people away. Doing it to gain rating still gives you the reason, risk and consequence, just without the ability to ruin someone's game time, and if that is why you want XP loss, to be able to negatively impact someone else's game, then there is something wrong.

Most of the time, beating someone down is done on someone who also beats people down. It doesn't happen very often to people who don't pvp themselves, and if you mean the BB, it never ever happens to someone innocent, since you have to attack to get bountied in the first place. 

Rating is just a side-effect for most pvpers, something that comes without anyone really paying attention to it. Therefore it's small reason, no risk, and irrelevant consequece. 

I know how you feel about this, but I would like to mention something here. I used to be second in command of FFS for a long time, and I did nothing but level. I was scared of pvpers, since I thought I'd lose 100s of levels if I got attacked... yes, I was that ... uninformed. I was soooo wrong...  pvp is FUN! I started bounty hunting when I got bored at sitting at end of content, and for me, pvp reignited the interest I had lost in the game, and I know it is the same way for plenty of people in the game.

A level is worthless if you never risk losing it. It's the same way as with most things in life. You don't really value things unless you know you might end up losing them. I know I'd get bored the second I knew I never risk losing any xp again. 

And again... most of the targets are pvpers themselves anyway. You can't be bountied unless you hit someone.

To be honest, it's fairly irrelevant.

 

 

 

 

Utter nonsense. If anything, with more people being willing to take part, it'd make abuse harder.

 

 

I've had to deal with the results of bullying in-game, so I know what I'm talking about. 

 

No, the removal of XP Loss does not result in the removal of the Bounty Board. The BB would take gold, item durability and PvP Rating.

 

 

 

Yes, he does.

then why not hoofmaster coming to this forum and say:

yes, I agree with removing xp loss from all pvp?

I know hoofmaster is busy but this only taking hoofmaster 30 seconds and I not see him for many months

after hoofmaster saying this:

yes, I agree with removing xp loss from all pvp?

after hoofmaster saying this I will not stand in way of your update because 2 admin have same opinion and trying talking about this topic will not change.

please tell hoofmaster who is maybe sitting in your office to post this and I will not stand in your way and accept the changes becausethere is nothing I or all pvpers can do against it

you said that few pvpers say they do bullying and because of that you want no xp loss because ALL pvpers are now bullies?   but that is not justify-able because what for example few chinese say they did crime, is it justify-able to imprison ALL chinese because of that?

forum is wonderful thing where people can write their opinion so please not remove this post if you are honest person,

thank you for letting me write my opinion

 kito

This issue has occured to many people. it wasnt caused by a simple relic cap, im sure. 

That awkward moment when your sarcasim is so advanced that people actually believe you are stupid. 

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