21 replies to this topic

[slipknot84]

change some of their skills to include the need for a staff and 2nd hand knife. 

[AwiesGoesRawr]

Yeah! Spank them!

[Luke Hardy]

Or remove Hybrids altogether.... 

[slipknot84]

every other class has 2 requirements to use skills..mage just needs essence and ranger just needs bow. wars and ass cant use shields without losing 3/4 of their skills.

[AwiesGoesRawr]

every other class has 2 requirements to use skills..mage just needs essence and ranger just needs bow. wars and ass cant use shields without losing 3/4 of their skills.

But they have already low defence and often lower vitality than warriors.

[Anameisaname]

New BIS items are staffs, i don't think that will be a problem anymore?

[Blissy]

what! lol no no leave rangers alone QQ. lol   I like to put on my shield when I'm doing solo stuff at times because I think it helps me a little more in certain situation rather then having just both 1h's on.   I see no reason to change what we can use.

 

I"m not pvp so I assume players are mostly saying stuff like this because of pvp reasons but I don't want to be penalized for being a pve player just because some want changes in the classes or what we use because some pvp.

 

that goes for any class really but I have only capped a ranger so far so I can't speak for other classes though I have a 3x mage as well which I have yet to fully understand it all and learn in the process of lvling when I do.

[Irradiated]

what! lol no no leave rangers alone QQ. lol   I like to put on my shield when I'm doing solo stuff at times because I think it helps me a little more in certain situation rather then having just both 1h's on.   I see no reason to change what we can use.

 

I"m not pvp so I assume players are mostly saying stuff like this because of pvp reasons but I don't want to be penalized for being a pve player just because some want changes in the classes or what we use because some pvp.

 

that goes for any class really but I have only capped a ranger so far so I can't speak for other classes though I have a 3x mage as well which I have yet to fully understand it all and learn in the process of lvling when I do.

I fully agree with both your main points.  The ranger is by far the weakest defense in the game, having a shield available is necessary in solo questing at times.

 

And rangers pay a stiff DPS price for shields.  I don't know how the level 47 gear may effect this (haven't been on recently), but there's the 9% bonus attack power (dual-wield mastery, there's the talent you wanted Slip) and can't complete a ranger weapon set.

 

So to paraphrase Blissy, don't screw with my PvE due to PvP.

[Mongo]

slip too stronk... nerf HIM and his big choppa!

[Felli]

Please don't nerf my mage. I do not pvp. I solo the majority of my quest (and story mode dungeons when I needed relics). Being a clothie I need the added protection of my shield and 1h weapon  (I've just recently considered putting together a medium armor set solely for the of extra armor it would provide, especially when grinding in Darrowvale). Take my shield and 1h away, and you leave my character virtually defenseless in many crowded pve situations.

[HolyGhost]

nerf 2.2k dps warsins first

[KeS]

Or remove Hybrids altogether.... 

>_>

[KeS]

slip too stronk... nerf HIM and his big, big choppa!

oh my

[slipknot84]

bump..legit suggestion.

[redsmokeboy]

2.4k War sin with new lvl 47 fable weapon duble roll 10% 20% then added 2 gem's pure or 20% 40% bosted Top that off with food potion oblisc - skill 20 attack bost - oblisc no lose. Easy see 2.4k War/sin lovely added 5% more mele from event potion X-mas any left, and other food V-Day 5% hp.

 

Over all threath based on ranger's andf shield usage, Used shield long time personly lose large chuck DPS low DPS as is comapred to templar 2 nd lowest DPS

 

Over DPS from Bleed's and speed of xbow compsaite for lower base DPS Full fabled set jewarly lvl 45 set 1600 DPS supream emrald's 9% from sin duel - Pure Emrald - good ruby in xbow might see 1700 under 1800 DPS ranger

 

compared to other class after use high lvl gem's

even so looking at DPS fact of high lvl gem's, to use shield losing 200 DPS Looking at DPS low as is shield

Shield offer's 25% reduction skill usage better then sin skill 20% doge and reducted haste.

 

tryed doge based build sucked did not offer as much shield did. less costly on point lose for using shield.

 

Till added doge gem in game Range doge build will never be.

Edited by redsmokeboy, 13 June 2015 - 10:55.

[ComradeLewis]

I have always thought it was sloppy that some talents and skills required the classes' weapon, while others don't. A good example is Redemption. It functions exactly the same despite having an essence equipped or not, making it a universal skill for all classes. However, Jolt requires a throwing knife equipped (although it doesn't say so), so even warriors that use hybrid essences with melee and attack rolls can't use the skill.

 

I know this is slightly off topic, but we are talking hybrids in general here with shields.

 

I don't see a problem with it, aren't they already punished by having melee stats on the shield? And any hybrid shield doesn't have sockets anyway.

Edited by ComradeLewis, 14 June 2015 - 14:13.

[HolyGhost]

as i said months ago
nerf 2.2k dps warsins first

[minddrag]

Warsins are not that hard to beat if you know how and are not that OP.  I know that if you just use repent all warsins are useless.  Dodge their combo and their finished... luke can beat warsins without serenity even... he is full mage.  Dont even try nerfing warsins.

[HuMoR]

I'm amazed this thread got bumped XD an entire year later and you still want op nerfs so your class can be easier then it already is....it isnt going to happen no matter how hard you put your thoughts into it,or how often you bump it...its a far from balanced solution you are asking for...

Edit for add:I'd stop attempting the bumping of very old irrelevant threads that just lead to trolling/flaming/baiting.

Edited by HuMoR, 14 June 2015 - 16:48.

[Debrutsid]

Punish them by making them wear dunce caps