Kito please explain to me the advantage from having more guild mates join an arena (Outside of guild tagged gear which i addressed)? Afaik none exist as it would make sense because arena is a solo activity.

ok, I will giving you explanation but in return you treating same and giving explanation too and not ignoring it please, I give respect and you give respect back

my english not good and I using translator for helping

because you OP, I will using your guild for example I writing here, it simple:

this only players from your guild who having around or more than 1000 arena wins

ArtziK, 2zina, PowerLegi, Tilley10, leos3000, SuOkWinter, shindrak

arena having 8 and 16 players who can joining

your guild having 7 members who having around 1000 arena wins and they having most own gear

Joining with all your own gear = bypass 25% rule

Joining with Guild Tagged gear = 25% rule applies

because you know your rules not existing in game I can only give theory like everyone else but I using logical thinking that everyone can easy see too and understanding

if we adding your 2 EP rules for 8 player arena:

it meaning 2 (25%) can joining with guild gear and 6 who having own gear can filling all 8 spots from same guild (100%)

if 16 player arena:

4 (25%) can joining with guild gear and 7 who having own gear can filling 11 spots of 16 from same guild (that around 70%)

that meaning for 8 player arena your guild can having 100% spots and for 16 player arena around 70%

this can leading to monopoly because it will increasing your guild chances very much (best example is before cooldown only 1 guild in game was having monopoly of epics, this everyone knowing and can asking admin)

but this is not worse what your 2 rules do, if you adding other top guilds who having many top arena players with own gear it becoming very difficult and hell for other guilds

there many worst case and one of worst case is this:

ffs, mom and ted joining and will having most and fighting each others for monopoly 

if we adding your 2 rules for 8 player arena with other big guilds ffs and ted too

it meaning 6 (75% from only 3 big guilds) can joining with guild gear and very many who having own gear can filling all 8 spots from same guild (100%)

if 16 player arena:

12 (75% from only 3 big guilds) can joining with guild gear and very many who having own gear can filling 4 spots of 16 from same guild (100%)

this examples I giving very simple and easy understanding if using little of brain and math for 10 year olds

I can saying truth and it will increasing activity but you need to understanding for whom it will increasing activity and this is why I keep asking epicpiety to answering because he knowing it will increasing actity for his guild (big guilds) and if you use logic then what happens to players in smal guilds whos chances will decreasing (because of this 2 rules)?

logic saying that when chance decreasing then high chance they will stopping 

if you still not undertanding or want to give excuse that arena is still solo or other excuses then this:

everyone in game knowing you can not doing bountys on your guild members but if wanting only increasing pvp activity then allowing guild members doing bountys on each other would increasing activity

this will increasing activity very much but at what price?

yes bounty board is solo activity but why do you think HCS make rule that same members can not doing bountys on eachother? yes, it is because of abuse

players can trying arguing (same argument with arena that you can giving friends outside guild the items to wear) I having friends outside guild that can doing my bounty, that true but because of this HCS rules (guild members can not doing bounty on same members and 25% arena rule) abuse becoming more difficult

we can doing extreme thing:

as much as I wanting seing removing pvp attack ranges I knowing it will bringing very high activity but is this really good for game and at what price?

everyone here knowing it will increasing pvp activity but it will benefiting one group and not all of comunity and making abuse more easy because of many things (eoc can hit level 1, stat difference, no pvpers .....)

question for everyone:

will you accepting if a idea will increase activity (for certain groups, not for comunity) but increases abuse very high?

yes or no?

for epicpiety:

if we adding your 2 EP rules for 8 player arena:

it meaning 2 (25%) can joining with guild gear and 6 who having own gear can filling all 8 spots from same guild (100%)

if 16 player arena:

4 (25%) can joining with guild gear and 7 who having own gear can filling 11 spots of 16 from same guild (that around 70%)

that meaning for 8 player arena your guild can having 100% spots and for 16 player arena around 70%

1) is simple thing what I writing above this true? yes or no, it very easy question that can saying yes or no with explanation

2) for who exact will your 2 rule increase activity, give details because I showing it will not increasing for comunity but certain (big groups) and with more players from same guild can joining then logic it meaning higher chance players of this guild can winning

3) with your 2 rule will it be possible for 1 guild to get all 8 arena spots? if yes then logic saying it will increase abuse

I taking long writing using translator helping with words because you saying you not understanding 90% of what I writing but picture postings of shindrak, biggrim and hoofmaster in other pots you and everyone should having no problem understanding

I have asking this 3 very easy questions that simple on purpose and willl waiting if you will ignorning them, only saying no and ignoring explanation or this time answering like I doing with yours with full explanation

NJ posting stuff from over 6 years ago. Didn't understand about 90% of it but irrelevant regardless. Also keep in mind there is a fresh HCS team with fresh idea's about modern gaming .

Arena has nothing to do with your guild aside from what i laid out. Bring out any point proving this and i'll join the conversation. If you have nothing to say point taken.

I knowing you understanding what I writing and pictures I posting of your guild mate, biggrim and hoofmaster quotes but you deciding in your head to not accepting it because shindrak, biggrim and hoofmaster having very good english better than me

thank you for showing again your character, you always doing it, it not mattering if it is logic or fact, you not caring, your guild creating many times forum for changing 25% rule and everytime biggrim saying no but you ignoring and making after some time same topic, even you getting into argument with hoofmaster after he making poll and telling you no, he explaining to you but you deciding ignoring again like always

you not wanting understanding that what good for your guild, it not meaning it good for comunity too

even after biggrim and hoofmaster will telling you again 25% rule will not changing for reason, you will ignoring because it your way or no way and this reason why continue posting here will be pointless

I will always supporting ideas that good for comunity but never only for certain group like this idea

all having good day

Well I know some players will say it will be open to abuse but if someone want to abuse they can just do it outside guild ... 

 

Arena is big part of the game !  give everyone chance to play smoothly without this restriction , its a game at the end and  Arena pretty much clear if someone wants to abuse they will get caught and what's the point of play a game without integrity !   This will boost Arena and the market pretty much ...

 

I hope HCs to rethink and open serious discussion about it ..

I will answer you with your own postings before you joining mirkwood guild

you was one of players who against changing 25% arena rule and using logic, you having very many postings and everyone can looking in forum for seing

I'm sure more players from biggest guilds will jump in and will have no time to join before tourneys start if you weren't active enough !

Not to mention how this will make a move in the market very well more players will buy gears and gold to forge and craft...

Result is More Activity and More donations for HCs and More updates to FS.

bro, I knowing 100% that you knowing what you writing not true because in other forums you posting you writing opposite of this. I thinking in last years all forums creating to changing or removing 25% arena rule is from only 1 guild calling minions of mirkwood and many players saying this is not game problem, this is minion of mirkwood problem and why should game changing because of 1 guild? everyone can going to forum and search it

you saying it bringing more activity but you only writing half truth, you not saying who it bringing more activity, the more activity will coming from those who have problem with 25% arena rule and that meaning it will bringing more activity for minions of mirkwood

I mean who is going to put that much effort to ask other players to join without gears or something , Not worth it and those players will lose their integrity for FS community ...

please not talking about integrity, there players who are knowing in community for losing integrity because they doing cheating, scripting, hypocricy, lying, trolling for getting ill satisfaction from others misery ............. or players / guilds knowing these players wrong (cheating, scripting, hypocricy, lying, trolling for getting ill satisfaction from others misery) and still accepting

worst example is santa who everyone in comunity who was titan hunting knowing is worst scripters, he doing many times cheating and worst time was he alone hunting against over 40 titan hunters from different guilds, big guilds was ffs, ted, wal and many others and santa got epic drop doing more than 50% kills alone against over 40 hunters lol, 1 player doing more kills than over 40 players together lol, everyone knowing this because fs box and shout box was crazy with postings about cheater, you remember? this was around time where you and your friend eviltrace was titan hunting and I hunting against you times

if you saying this old then I having recent one, everyone knowing about AH bug but is everyone knowing that there was not 1 AH bug but 2 bugs? first one I not needing explaning it giving you free fsps but second one was giving you free items, I will not saying players name but he your guild member and he selling cheap epics to my friends, after he getting banning by HCS and it coming out that he was abusing bug to getting free items my friends afraid they would getting banning too because they buying from him, they not knowing he getting these epics with bug

if you asking why I telling this story it because you saying Not worth it and those players will lose their integrity for FS community  but that not true and you having proof in your guild

after hcs banning this player more than one month he sudenly coming back and how did he lose his integrity? very short he becoming leader in your guild

prove what I saying is truth is HCS (hoofmaster) and many in your guild who honest want saying truth

I giving 2 storys about your guild to showing you that argumenting with players losing integrity of fs comunity meaning nothing, it can happening in other guilds too, some guilds accepting or even rewarding these bad players, integrity is free to interpretation of players (I not knowing if I writing this in good english language but meaning is clear) and that reason why there need be HCS rules

Defender medal is actually extremely difficult and takes alot of time and investment. Also almost nothing would change in regards to arena medal difficulty. 

that not true and you knowing it, getting defender medal is very easy, I 100% sure you was getting messages from players who asking if your guild wanting improving defender medal because they send messages to many of the top guilds

some guilds accepting and getting 2-3 hours from no defender medal to highest diamond medal and only needing little stamina to do it, I will not writing how because I not supporting that way

The 25% Guild mate arena rule should be changed to the following.

 

Joining with all your own gear = bypass 25% rule

Joining with Guild Tagged gear = 25% rule applies

like others telling you years ago in many forum postings it is not FS problem it is minion of mirkwood problem, why need game changing for 1 guild if others not having problem and ok with them?

with your bypass 25% rule if own gear you can getting in theory all your guild members taking all arena spots, if this is not abuse then your interpretation of abuse is not normal

what happen if big guilds like ffs and ted do same too then it becoming arena only for mom, ffs and ted and very bad for all guilds in comunity

EpicPiety, I even posting picture of your now leader shindrak who telling you that your changing 25% rule will be benefiting for big guilds but very bad for all other smal guilds in comunity

HCS will never accepting it because this very easy abuse and they already saying no to you many times

everyone in game can looking in forum for proof and I will always saying no to abuse

I will leaving high adept learner, animal magnetism, conserve and librarian to HCS deciding because it will having for future interests of HCS

if HCS really deciding going with this high levels then for me logic that HCS will suffering donations and to return they will be forcing increasing high levels in donation chests but again I saying I will leaving this deciding to HCS

 

Alchemist Prized Potion. Loyalty:  750

 

Distil Level : 250 Duration : 120m

Brewing Master Level :  500 Duration : 120m

 

 

 

Potion of Godly Global Acceleration. Loyalty 5000.

Global Booster 2000

 

this is danger and not logic why you bringing distil more than 150 and brewing master more than 300 and showing little understanding of game, I will explaining a little because distil and brewing master making problems that is in game more problems, reading here:

1] many players saying how for years how bad big skills have destroying pvp, conficlt gvg, leveling too boring because very easy with crazy high level skills and still you doing this very big mistake and ignoring problems?

2] I knowing bm 500 was removing by admin because I making picture proof in it admin saying why he removing bm 500 and inventor II 500, can I posting it?

3] why admin want returning bm 500 that is saying bad for game back to game? that not logic

4] sorry for saying but need saying truth, it showing you little understanding value of skills, I giving 2 examples

• look up at picture: distil 250 and bm 500 only cost 750 token (375 token each) but global booster 2000 cost 5000 token, gb cost 13,3 time more than distil or bm, this not logic, it should be opposite because bm 500 and distil 250 having a lot more value than gb 2000
• second example I showing with picture too and explaining text

• Warriors Elixir. Loyalty: 750

   

  Fury Level : 200 Duration : 120m

  Berserk Level : 200 Duration : 120m

  Dark Curse Level : 200 Duration : 120m

  Enchanted Weapon Level : 200 Duration : 120m

  Wither Level : 200 Duration : 120m

  Shatter Armor Level : 200 Duration : 120m

  fury 200, berserk 200, dc 200, ew 200, wither 200, sa 200 cost here 750 token, that too expensive because it will costing only 50k gold (for buff enhancer) and only 90 stamina for getting same fury 200, berserk 200, dc 200, ew 200, wither 200, sa 200. is 50k gold and 90 stamina worth 750 token? if adding only 10k gold for buying distil 50 you can buffing level 201, it then higher than potion that costing 750 token.

• you are judging by skill level not by value of skill, go comparing this 2 skills: ew 1000 potion cost 2400 gold in ah and how much you thinking will cost treasure hunter with same skill level 1000? 2400 gold too? no, it will never reaching this high level because need judging by value of skill

5] we wanting making game better not worse and it knowing for years players screaming about crazy high skills very bad for game, distil will increasing crazy high skill levels more and bm will making longer duration of crazy high levels, this like increasing level and duration of torture

delete bm and distil for good future of game and please not saying we will trying and seeing like you doing with crazy high composing, pvp and gvg have becoming joke because of it

there no excuse for bringing things back that you knowing is bad for game and hoping it will be good, it not logic

other token potions you can doing but bm and distil need deleting and better please bring hoofmaster, he knowing and understanding how skills working and having admin info and knowing more than us about it 

I will saying yes for everything that make game better and no that making game worse

guild leader chat is not showing here any more - only white page

this error for weeks, all leaders and guild founder having white page

I asking many and they saying they not having problem, only my guild having error with white page in leader chat

please fixing it, thanks

It's not going to fix it, although it's a good step. Cows are taking the approach so it seems to change things one at a time and see how it shakes out. What Toreth suggested would be a massive improvement for very little development time which as they have stated is focused on the app.

bro, what good is 1 little step every year from 100 steps until fixing complete?

you knowing it will taking them many years for fixing what in other games fixing on same day or if very big update on same week

say truth, you really wanting waiting until app is finished? 

if you wanting saying hcs start fixing game after you finishing app that finishing after 10, 20, 30 years, you can waiting 10, 20, 30 years? that not normal

if wanting fixing somethings then fixing it for good, not 1 step from 100 step that taking many years

take relics is very bad idea bro

1)most guilds keeping relics they wanting and not wanting doing change

2)if your guild having max relic slots you can not doing it

3)in guilds if more having relic daily quest it becoming chaos, impossible and bring trouble, worse it becoming in big guilds

4)relic battle is joke and many negative

and if you wanting doing composing go doing it, you not needing daily quest, I and many not composers and not needing forcing it

SH 480 is good and very incentive to level up in composing. IMO if the new players are able to get more damage easily, then they will be able to get the most xp from overkill and other leveling buffs and level up faster and be potential new donators to the game in the future. And its sad to see some players at the top are only concerned about their gains or their gears not selling at higher prices.

sorry bro but what you saying wrong and I explaining why

you saying *IMO if the new players are able to get more damage easily, then they will be able to get the most xp from overkill*

this sentence having many wrong because

1) with crazy high composing smashing hammer 480 you getting crazy high damage and can do 1 hit killing very easy on all creatures, last year I trying using hunting setup that half my level with crazy high composing and I very easy 1 hit killing

2) most of new players only using overkill 175 and it having 43.75% chance giving 4,375% more xp, higher overkill is arena, donation and global chest but they expensive and everyone knowing most new players not using them, only in very few times and it logic because new players having low max stamina and paying expensive fsps for overill potion for little stamina hunting not worth it

if really wanting helping new players then needing making composing not guild bound then everyone can helping new players getting cheap composing potion for hunting, this many saying for years but getting ignoring and what happening is traveling composers taking advantage of it selling very expensive to them (look at bio of traveling composers for crazy high price), this negative for new players but hcs ignoring it, very sad

everyone can getting with crazy high composing 1 hit killing, even with hunting setup for half of player level, I not beliving someone stupid not can doing it, need only going to https://wiki.fallens...p/Hunting_setupand using crazy high composing, it stupid proof

yes there many things not working correct and it getting reporting very long ago

for fsh not working good it because when game getting update, changing code then needing changing code of fsh too for it working

you can either do ....

 

1.) the laziest method

 

simply add as many Stam Gain relics as you desire & ignore ALL other relic iusses !!!

you can even change ALL relics into "Super" Relics that have FULL +% Stam Gain, Max Stam, Stats, Enhancements

 

it's a band aid that ignores all other relic issues, gets rid of any competition & teamwork, relic battles, .....

 

 

2.) you actually do some work

 

A ) FIX the current relic battles which are a **** JOKE !!!

 

enough said, everyone who has ever captured / defended relics knows it !!!

from a low "1-man-guild" (who was a low lvl player himself with 2 low joiners) took 100+ relics without any "issue" to HCS admins kamicazer7 (was at the time lvl 50 or so) & hooftest taking our relic that had 50+ defenders also without any issues

granted most were not in pvp gear but still a lvl 50 beating 50+ defenders were at least half of them were EOC !!!

 

B ) Make capturing relics a permission !!!

 

I used to mentor some small guilds & the issue they ran into was that new players would simply capture relics their guild did not need (also happens to other guilds, regardless of size) & they could not get "rid of it" which brings me to my next point ...

 

C ) Add a "dismiss Relic" option !!!

 

As said, add a "dismiss Relic" option with a COOLDOWN to avoid abuse !!!

 

D ) preferred Relic value

 

Contrary to what many believe it is not Stam Gain Relics that low / new players actually need, as mentioned before: I used to mentor small guilds & what they needed the most was MAX STAM Relics !!!

 

of course do NOT take my word for it & please make a game poll that ONLY includes low players, NOT high players like me, EOC, afterall the "new relics" are for them !!!

 

E ) Supply & Demand !!!

 

I do not think I need to say anymore, just please make sure to NOT add too many & keep them at a decent number so they are still "attractive" / desired, encourage activity, teamwork & relic battles !!!

 

F ) "Optional" NEW Guild Relic WAR System !!!

 

Make TEAMWORK actually matter in relic battles & encourage TEAMWORK, please do NOT discourage it !!!

 

EXAMPLE:

Guild A captures a relic from Guild B

Both Guild A + B will have 12h time to accept / decline "Relic War"

(new relic war permission to accept / decline will be added)

If after 12h no option has been choosen it will automatically count as a decline to avoid abuse !!!

If Guild A declines then they will be on a 30 day cooldown on that relic & Guild B will have control of that relic

If Guild A accepts + Guild B declines then then B will be on a 30 day cooldown on that relic & Guild A will have control of that relic

If both Guild A + Guild B accept then they will enter a 7-day-Relic-War that looks like this:

 

Attack Ranges: 

50 - 500 (+/- ??) 

601 - 1000 (+/- 100)    

1001 - 2000+ (+/- 300)

2001 - 3000+ (+/- 500)

3001+ (+/- 1000)

(the attack ranges can be changed by HCS / players who know their ranges better than me)

 

During those "7-day-Relic-War" both members of Guild A + Guild B will enter a "PvP-War" where they can hourly hit (look above for attack ranges) each other & even bounty each other !!!

they will get their own guild "Bounty-Board" where only Guild A + Guild B can participate in !!!

during the "7-day-Relic-War" time Guild A + Guild B can still capture / defend their relic like normal until the war is over !!!

(it has to be PvP aka xp loss involved, you have to pay a "price" & fight for the relic (bonuses) you get !!! hoof remember how relics were fought for, many guilds, regardless of size battled in PvP for them & generated high activity !!!

 

I will leave the Scoring System to HCS / the community

both Guild A + Guild B can retreat from the "7-day-Relic-War" at any time BUT it will count as a loss & they will be on a 30 day cooldown on that relic !!!

 

For every additional +1 relic those guilds battle about +1 day will be added to the "7-day-Relic-War"

so if they battle for 4 relics in (1+3) the war will last 10 days in total !!!

 

to make it even more exciting several guilds can get involved, either helping Guild A / B or even be against both

several guilds can war against each other for 1,2, ... relics or even "support" another guild (so small guilds can tackle a big guild, ....)

it will greatly encourage TEAMWORK, activity + many other things

• NO guild can be forced against their will / permission to enter the "7-day-Relic-War" to PvP !!!
• the "7-day-Relic-War" can only start if it has been accepted by someone who has the permission to !!!
• at any time any guild can "retreat" from the "7-day-Relic-War" & it will be counted as a loss

 

this is just a "prototyp-system" so it is far from perfect (an EXAMPLE & everything is up for HCS / community to decide) so no need for me to go into details atm

ps: IF point (F) is implemented then it already takes care of point (A)
(+ after implementing strip ALL guilds of ALL relics & let the GAME begin   !!!)

 

I will never understand why HCS keep avoiding / discouraging TEAMWORK / competitions !!! best ("worst") example is PvP

I mean are not games generally played to compete?

 

FS has great potential BUT has been declining for years, no matter how good the app is it will hardly matter when the actual game has many "broken" gamestyles which need to be updated & will struggle to keep the new ones or even the older ones !!!

honestly I have been hardly active for a long time, as have many others I noticed since aside from the 3 repetitiv main events (Global Event, LE Event, Leveling Content) there is nothing else to do since most if not all the other game aspects are "broken" & need to be updated + when I am online I chat which there are many other apps better for chatting than this one ...

 

others have already said it before, it is NOT that there are not any good ideas / suggestions (the community has provided numerous good ones over the years) but simply the  "communication" with HCS is lacking !!!

to put it bluntly: we simply get some "lip service" without any action ....

 

I have so much to say but let's 1st wait & see where this leads ...

you having very good but I knowing you not stupid but why you making mistake and writing here taboo words *compitition* and *teamwork*?

you knowing that writing this words will getting your postings ignoring from hcs, it your fault

# of Relics            Lead Defender Bonus

     1                                 150%

     2                                 120%

     3                                 100%

     4                                  90%

     5                                  85%

     6                                  80%

this one little step bro but alone it will not fixing relic battles, need more doing, taking care of crazy high skills, stats of defenders in group, .....

Any particular reason for that?


1. May I ask why?
2. How so. Can you give examples?

~ Grim

you knowing crazy high composing making joke about pvp, gvg, hunting but you not wanting changing for reason nobody knowing, it not logic (only answer I getting is composing is gold sink that why hcs ignoring damage it doing to pvp, gvg)

whatever you trying to doing changing it will not working making relic battle normal because you will keeping high crazy skills what making taking all relics joke, this for years players saying but always getting ignoring

I liking that mary trying doing new battle system but biggest mistake she doing is it increasing compitition and teamwork very much and it will 100% failing because of it

same with pvp, who beliving range you can attacking is only 10 levels when eoc is 4800 lol, it complete joke, players asking more 100 times in years and always getting ignoring

other players giving ideas how making relic battles normal but if not taking care of high skills it will not working, this saying for years but always ignoring again and they never learning, sad you will do same mistakes again and it will not improving relic battles, this very sad

to hcs, I will giving you way you can doing: it will removing compititon, teamwork and fighting for relics 

go changing very many relics to stamina

in end no relic battles and you not needing doing changing

before doing anything please we having bugs that not good for game, longer they staying worse it becoming playing, please do fixing

I liking very much that admin coming and starting talking with players what needing improving game but I hoping not disapearing after players doing long time work, thank you

but I seeing big problem in this

here many topics starting and this will be coming confusing with later discussion here on many topics with many pages, better create external topics in forum for gvg, pvp, arena, .... please not all topics here then bring confusion

there many topics here good but I wanting putting one correction

#2d - PvP

 

 

           #2i - possibly look into bringing back pvp seasons (or just the good parts). This was                                     implemented with a few bugs. Everyone was opted in and lost massive exp from the bug and were annoyed and voted it out. I believe if this is implemented with opt in opt out feature it will be fine.   

when I seeing players posting not truth about pvp I needing posting

bro, you knowing massive exp from bug was only in first hours of pvp season that hcs fixing fast, you knowing season was lasting more than 2 weeks, you knowing that biggest problem of season was bounty board, bounty board was biggest joke, you knowing many community not liking season and voting no

there other things bad about season but better for admin you please go read pvp season topics for knowing truth why season was bad and getting rejecting by community, please go reading forum topics

I liking EP that you posting many topics, some good and showing you putting time for thinking but please bro, always posting full truth, not half truth

there other topics I wanting posting about but too early posting, I will waiting reading when have more and more detail of topics (pvp, gvg, arena, ....) then I posting too

thank you admin for opening this topic for doing comunication with community and showing good, thank you

sorry hcs, but composing update is one of last place community want and that could helping game, everyone was knowing you would adding smashing hammer increasing, it is worst option but players with little breain in head crying everytime they wanting increasing composing max level and not caring if it bad for game, this really sad

this update making me sad and with many bugs it catastrophe

hoofmaster, please coming back, only you can fixing bugs fast and helping game become very good that we knowing 

thank you very much for event

I looking and seeing this will benefitting only big guilds like FFS, MOM, TED

for rest of guilds will be bad, why? reason players here writing

So, basically the guild founder just controls everybody on the relic while the multis, I mean other members, don't do anything to actually participate on their own.  Why not let the founder change their gear for them too?  Let's go all the way and allow the founder to use potions out of the players backpack and burn the players own stamina for buffs as well.  Why make the members bother to log in at all unless they are going to level up?  Wait, I guess the founder can do that for them as well since it's beneficial to the guild as a whole.

this extreme example but what yotekiller saying, we knowing it can happening because players will keep crying for more change if 1 change is done

to add

Make the ability to change defender lineup a permission

and also add a gold sink structure lvl 1 - 10 - the higher the lvl the more relic defenders can be moved around. 

that how it starting

if still not understanding how this will benefitting big guilds like FFS, MOM, TED go look this example

in change you saying you can deciding who lead defender is

big guilds having more high players than other guilds (this fact), this advantage for them, they can changing with 1 button from many high members who is lead defender at anytime they wanting, this very big advantage for big guilds and bad for other guilds in game

when one member in high guild want doing pvp ladder or gvg or bounty board or hunting he will be in pvp setup, potions and buffed, this very good he can switch at same time to lead defender too, when he finish he can give lead defender position to next one and rotating to many members, this will saving very much time, stamina, buffs, potions and fsps for big guilds and making it easier for them 

I see no con's about giving guilds more control to employ strategy. 

players here in forum posting cons and read con I writing at top in this posting how it only advantage to big guilds like FFS, MOM, TED and very bad for other guilds

you wanting this change for doing strategy but bro, strategy starting before relic war, doing strategy after in middle of war is not good

I not knowing why you starting first taking relics from not 1 guild but many guilds at same time, this making more enemies / targets but it your decision / strategy

example relics:

Klar Worldstone: you was not first guild for capturing it, you took it from another guild

Temple of Lightning: you was not first guild for capturing it, you took it from another guild

Enchanted Thistle Patch: you was not first guild for capturing it, you took it from another guild

Giant Guano Pile: you was not first guild for capturing it, you took it from another guild

Shepan Grave: you was not first guild for capturing it, you took it from another guild

Thrashing Vine Patch: you was not first guild for capturing it, you took it from another guild

I will not posting more because it not my business what guilds doing with relics but one of worst that can happening is for you and other big guild getting into big war, wasting stamina, buffs, time, fsps and many things

at end it will not mattering which big guild winning the relic war because result at end will be that both will be loses and one other outsider will be true winner and there more but I not wanting getting to detail and I thinking you knowing this already very good, that why you needing new change for coding in relic battles

from all you saying there is 1 truth and I agreing with you, it that everyone knowing relic battle system we currently having is joke

what I saying here is not secret, everyone can knowing this if using eyes and minutes to look at guilds relics

again I saying it not my business what guilds doing with relics and I only writing because you wanting this new change coding for lead defender deciding to employing strategy

before someone saying relics not belonging to anyone and everyone having right for taking relics, that true but not forgetting this too, nothing in fallensword game is yours too, not fsps, gold, items, potions, character, everything belonging to hcs

until now I still not voting because maybe it can benefiting other guilds but until now nobody posting how, later I will voting after hearing reason how change you wanting not giving big guilds more advantage against other guilds

I hoping everyone having good at weekend and is safe from covid

I get what you are saying BUT in my oppinion HCS "experimented" with the HC Hammer weapon (+7 stam gain) by releasing other 2 x +7 stam gain weapons (Flayed Colossal Axe & Greater Flamedeer Antlers) to check how it will go ....

 

this led to the HC Hammer (was the best stam gain weapon) quickly dropping over 50% of its value, it has been for years almost constant

so I seriously doubt HCS will make the mistake by releasing another +7 stam gain amulet or helm, would undoubtedly destroy their value + currently the HC Titan is the ONLY NON-seasonal titan that gets quickly hunted & killed, by releasing any +7 stam gain amulet / helm will be the nail in the coffin + BigGrim is in charge of releasing them so have some trust  

 

I want to add the same thing should apply to the +7 stam gain armor too, we currently have 2 other epics (Steamforged Gorgeanaka Cuirass, Ridged Plate Cuirass) that there should NOT be another +7 stam gain armor added to NOT destroy them, especially the RP one, will have an even more negative impact on GvG conflicts  

 

btw there are so many NEW Epic drop ideas, EXAMPLES:

for LOW lvl Titans => they can fill the missing stam gain slots

for HIGH lvl Titans => they can drop Quest Items to invent like the Perchtas Gift Sack, ... or why not something new, how about a potion, a frag stash; I am sure they will be sought after and it does not always need to be an epic item drop from a titan but that is kinda off topic so if someone wants can create a new topic & collect some ideas (details)  

you giving too many trust in hcs, go saving this screen shot what I saying because we knowing they will doing this mistake

many times we give warning because can easy seeing it mistake but they will ignoring, you will seeing amulet and helm at 7 stamina gain they will making in next times destroying values of many

rest you idea writing I liking, is good

I will not quoting players for I not wanting starting fight

players who saying they wanting making changes to LE event or it for good of composing then they not sayig truth because they knowing it only will doing changes to prices of LE items, affecting composing it will be very little

they knowing very many getting frags from global events, we now having Gargantuan Mosquito global event, everyone can now go do it and see for proof

same players in past was saying this:

increasing BP slot

it was 1k, they cry, it get 1500, they keep crying for more until end is 5k, beause of their greed players with big BP slot mass farming LE items and selling very cheap

increasing composing level

they keeping crying for increasing composing level, because of their greed players wanting making epic potions themself, look how it has destroying game and making pvp, gvg, hunting, farming and rest is joke and they still crying for increasing composing level

increasing fragments

they keep crying for increasing frags, in beginning there no frag stash drop, only way you could getting frag stash was getting it from global fragment event where reward is frag stashes after qualify

players start crying and it getting that every global monster in all global events now dropping frag stash too, now we having Gargantuan Mosquito global event, everyone can now go do it and see for proof

these 3 things is true reason that destroying LE items value, now there players with million frags can creating many epic potions

greed of players have destroying this game and still some players only posting for greed, this very sad

there many strategy to relic war and some guilds over years becoming very good

I not knowing if change you saying good or bad (I not voting) until now but if it increasing gaming activity then it good

I finding problem

before hunted cow hammer was value having but then hcs give titan that drop weapon with same 7 stam gain and hunted cow hammer value getting destroying

now problem what if hcs making same mistake and giving titan drop 7 stam gain, same as hunted cow amulet and helm, then it will ending destroying value like what happening with hunted cow hammer

in your list there epics who having value and needing time for getting, needing time is good because will giving activity to game but if epics value getting destroying then everything will becoming joke

I doing my hunting now and everything very good, thank you hcs

I doing hunting and sawing no problem, thank you hcs 

you can forgetting reporting titan cheaters to support, if you sending best profing is video then support not banning player because needing coder and that is what problem is, support will telling you they doing investigating but they need coder for doing it and coder very busy and not having time

I knowing two players who getting reporting from comunity because they doing cheating, they doing teleporting with no instant teleport and comunity sending to support videos of this cheating, very sad this

Inb4 complaints about the level 60 cap

 

lol bro, I agreing but you can not stopping stupidity

but wouldnt most players stop after they discovered it and report it to hsc ?

 

especially a leader or member of 2nd rated guild in fs 

yes you stopping, it calling common sense and having integrety

we players having resposibilty reporting bug, exploit, not abusing it

You know as well as I do that Arterial Strike was NEVER intended for group play.  It was designed for the player that doesn't consistently 1 hit to get a bit more experience to make up for the extra stamina spent. You will never convince me that an unfair advantage wasn't taken of an anomaly that apparently occurred when Conserve was added to the AS equation....   As to who writes the meta?  I had great respect for you, but this takes the cake.... who died and made you GOD?

he knowing it, I 100% sure but he having no choice, he needing trying defending eoc players who doing exploit many 100 times

you making many mistakes

• before xp event you sending many shoutboxes in game recruiting many new, lower players, before you not doing it, normal you having minimum requirements to joining: - Level 1000+ and - 20,000 max stamina like top guilds but this time you changing and strange (after exploit it showing you already planning it long ago, you having intention of using exploit but because no proof, let saying it speculating)
• new player who playing fs game for 1 hour knowing when you wanting leveling you use your character with buffs (al, lib, conserve, doubler and rest) to go hunting yourself, this is common logic that everyone knowing, if player wanting to leveling hunting then he needing using his character manually with buffs (al, lib, conserve, doubler and rest) to doing hunting, everyone in comunity knowing this and if player saying after playing game 12 years then it lie and everyone knowing
• groups was created helping players who having trouble beating creature stats, in group other players in guild can joining for helping increasing stats for group leader killing creature, hcs making mercs you can hiring for help for increasing stats to killing creature, this everyone knowing but eoc players using exploit for group to give many 100 levels to low players who only joining and doing nothing
• when you discovering group exploit why you not sending ticket asking hcs if it ok or no? it is writing in terms of use for game bugs and cheats I will posting at end
• I 100% sure you sending ticket to hcs after players reported exploit but it too late, you already getting catching, if you not getting catching you would not sending ticket about exploit
• eoc players who doing worse exploit not making 1,2,3 times and then stop, they making many 100 times giving low players many 100 levels, this everyone knowing not normal and exploit, that why hcs closing it
• after doing 1,2,3 times exploit why not stopping and reporting, why making many 100 times? nobody stupid believing
• you trying persuading but nobody stupid, everyone knowing it is exploit even only player yghorbeviahn who defending you saying it exploit, he even saying it major exploit, we using common sense and integrity and hcs will doing same and baning who exploiting, they doing very good job with auction house exploiters, it not mattering who player, what level he have or what guild he is, hcs treating cheaters same way

I've never thought of Arterial Strike besides it being an useless buff, as much as I want to be angry that people had the chance to use an 'exploit' to level up like crazy without doing much, the mechanics were there, everything was working as intended, no one was breaking any rules...I'd put it in a similar realm as farming an EOC Elite/Champion just for GXP, something that wasn't intended, but within the game mechanics...It's somewhere between a 'cheater' and a 'genious' move, since no rules were broken, genious it is then.

you not understanding what you talking about, calling it between cheater and genius move, lol genius because they first discovering exploit? when auction house exploit I hearing first person who discovering it ct, is he genius because he discovering exploit first lol, that is very stupid for saying

And I also go as far as agreeing with your last statement, in my opinion they were not doing anything wrong, the code was there, the mechanic was there, the mistake was in HCS side...In my opinion they should have reseted the server 24hrs or so back and dealt with the consequences...But in this case it was a MAJOR exploit, a code that went online without double check and created the mess...It's a more grey of an area to stand on...As far as HCS leave knots untied, players will find ways to tie those knots the way they want to, it's a competitive game.

what you writing, they not doing anything wrong but you sayig it major exploit lol

you saying it major exploit but they not doing anything wrong?

I thinking something wrong with you, how can you saying major exploit is nothing wrong? do you understading what word exploit meaning?

here go reading for you understanding

Well lets see the definition

exploit

verb

 

/ɪkˈsplɔɪt,ɛkˈsplɔɪt/

1.make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).

"500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology"

2.make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand.

 

I seeing yghorbeviahn in ted guild and you in leadership, someone who thinking that major exploit is nothing wrong and in leadership is very bad, disgrace for saying major exploit is nothing wrong, disgrace

all they had to do ask hsc before they done it ,you cant tell me they thought it up on the day ,was planned in advance

 

 

and if they knew about it why not tell the cows and get it sorted before the event

read his posting, he saying it taking a lot of time

2. This was not as easy as everyone is stating. It took a lot of time, and you had to know what you were doing. Not only that it took a lot of coordination.

https://www.huntedcow.com/home/terms

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Game Bugs and Cheats

Game bugs should be reported directly via our support centre (https://www.huntedcow.com/support). You may, however, also post bugs in the Bugs Forum in order to ascertain whether what you experienced is, in fact, a bug.

Bugs which are a potential exploit to the game should not be posted publicly. They should be brought to the immediate attention of Hunted Cow Studios Ltd via our support centre (https://www.huntedcow.com/support).

You must not knowingly exploit any such bugs or cheats. Doing so puts you in breach of this Agreement and may result in termination of your account.

they abusing exploit and terms of use, they breaking rule, then hcs will breaking them, always saying no to cheaters, bug and exploit

this here is the most important part they ban the low levels but nothing happens to the players at eoc who were doing the hitting ,arnt they just as bad as the so called "trainees"so they should suffer as well

bro, I 100% sure hcs will baning players eoc who group leaders and doing the real exploiting, they are many times worse than low players who only joining, you will seing hcs will giving permanent ban because what they doing very bad and they doing it not 1,2,3 times but many 100 times repating exploit, hcs not stupid and will seing it and comunity will seing it too

 

Hi all,

 

The skill "Arterial Strike" will no longer work for Group Attacks.

 

While this was not an exploit, we believe this change was necessary & made sense going forward!

 

~The Fallen Sword Team.

 

Interesting that you knew since at the latest yesterday but the change came well after it wasn't useful to the people using it anymore. I don't know about you, but I would feel cheated if my competition got to sit naked gaining hundreds of levels using minimal stam. But alas.

So someone gaining hundreds of levels while sitting naked and not making a single kill on their own is not an exploit.  Just what IS your definition of an exploit?  If it was working as intended, why did you believe it was necessary and made sense to change it going forward?

I agreing with all and hcs go reading what yotekiller saying

yep no exploit

this 100% exploit, even nobrain can seeing it

before xp event I making saving of top guilds to comparing

I posting before xp event and after xp event (now) only of low players who getting not normal levels

Riddler247     212     Minion Trainee    13,609,226

Riddler247     479     Minion Trainee     54,835,683

+267 levels, have 11k stamina

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KingEndg     237     Minion Trainee    20,927,066

KingEndg     387     Minion Trainee     59,778,922

+150 levels, have 10k stamina

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JosieGOD     250     Minion Trainee    26,869,513

JosieGOD     818     Minion Trainee     0

+568 levels, is ban

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CursedMoon     310    Minion Trainee    56,247,602

CursedMoon     763     Minion Trainee     0

+453 levels, is ban

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Pluru     312     Trial Rank    4,826

Pluru     995     Trial Rank     123,150,482

+683 levels, have 13k stamina

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Hermedes    192        Trial Rank    930,187

Hermedes     1031     Trial Rank     431,152,839

+839 levels, have 22k stamina

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I am pretty upset that this exploit hasn’t had any real consequences. The users of this gained around 800 levels while using minimal stamina. Which is just absurd. I power leveled from 1050 to 1499. To do this, I bought current stam which cost thousands of FSPs. I 100% agree that something more needs to be done in addition to the buff change they have already made. This has left quite a sour taste in my mouth as well as many others.

I understanding you bro and everyone agreing, it is exploit, what normal needing 1 year of hunting or many thousand fsps, they doing in 1 hour, they not even hunting or using buffs, only joining group and getting many 100 of levels, that is reason why hcs removing it, hcs not stupid, they intelligent, you not needing worry, I 100% sure hcs will punish all who using exploit

everyone talking about low player but you forgeting these low players only joining group, for exploit to working they needing high player eoc doing exploit and this eoc exploiter is worst of all, without him exploit not working

disgrace on all exploiters

hcs need go into logs of low players and looking who is eoc player who doing exploiting for getting other low players many 100 levels, hcs go looking who was group leader

this group leader exploiting and he knowing (everyone in game knowing it not normal, even little brain) what he doing, it impossible this accident, 1,2,3 times is accident but he making many 100 groups and only low players in his guild joining lol

this like story I reading of news of woman who saying she cutting her husband 73 times in accident, she saying they was on floor and everytime she wanting standing up she falling on him cutting him 73 times lol

I 100% sure hcs will banning exploiters and very worse of them the high players eoc (I not knowing who was group leader but very easy for hcs finding name of cheater and how many eoc group leaders are) who making the exploit, you knowing hcs hard against this, remembering they baning exploiters who doing in auction house 2 month ago

cheating is cheating, reason not mattering and community is watching how hcs will baning exploiters

I wishing merry christmas to hcs, fs players and they family, staying safe