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[vastilos]

What I don't like about PvP is how easy it has become due to insane buffs, crazy potions and over powered gear. That took the challange away from PvP.

[sweetlou]

What I don't like about PvP is how easy it has become due to insane buffs, crazy potions and over powered gear. That took the challange away from PvP.

True, it makes the disparity between those players that have the "insane buffs" and/or overpowered gear from the ones that don't even larger.

[BadPenny]

There are still challenges... have you ever tried to clear Spidey, for example, when he's awake and dancing?  Plenty of challenges... Granted, many battles are buff vs buff, but still a challenge remains...  Or were you just referring to straight run of the mill raw PvP?  In that case, put yourself in a holding pattern, I'll be in your range next year, I'll give you a challenge

[vastilos]

True, it makes the disparity between those players that have the "insane buffs" and/or overpowered gear from the ones that don't even larger.

 

Correcto. I liked old PvP days where you had to mix LE gear with SE gear with gear from mobs to make a decent offline setup. Now, a level 400 can easily beat a level 1600+ player.

 

Edited by vastilos, 16 February 2015 - 20:44.

[vastilos]

There are still challenges... have you ever tried to clear Spidey, for example, when he's awake and dancing?  Plenty of challenges... Granted, many battles are buff vs buff, but still a challenge remains...  Or were you just referring to straight run of the mill raw PvP?  In that case, put yourself in a holding pattern, I'll be in your range next year, I'll give you a challenge

 

There is no challange really. When I say pvp I mean me vs. you... no buffs, super potions, composed potions, nothing. Your gear versus my gear. Your character build vs. mine. I've only had the pleasure of doing that type of pvp with Bazile, and she no longer plays. And that was some fun pvp play.

Edited by vastilos, 16 February 2015 - 20:50.

[BadPenny]

So, we have never played patty cake?  Let me catch up, I'll box with you, just raw Penny

[mimdala]

The problem with PVP is the problem with many aspects of all games - people need to stop taking everything personally, and stop taking a game so gosh darn seriously.

 

Peace.

[bigchaos]

I do not like all the rude messages or just smack talk how said player are going to do whatever 

[Gutie]

I thought you rage quit the game like a month ago RJ, why are you still ranting about PvP? To avoid getting blasted for trolling, which I still kind of am....

 

It's the drama and ranting, and pleasure some take in getting in people's faces that I don't like about PvP. If people want to slam people around 24/7 they can go play Legacy. It's a pretty nice game too imo.

 

That and some big PvPers won't stop crying about not having enough targets (who won't hit back hard or in the way said PvPers want them to) and keep screaming about widening the PvP ranges, when as I've said before content accelleration of 1-399 and 422-940 would resolve this issue and several other ones to top it off.

 

But PvPers call it a win button for some reason. What do they care when they supposedly "don't care about level". The hypocrisy so many who are avid PvPers in this game is what I don't like about it. 

</trolling>

 

If I am to honestly answer what I don't like about PvP in FS... in how it actually works is a joke too imo. People can buff up and run ever more powerful potions via composing/etc and slam someone offline for two days and no buffs active, and it's treated as if it's the same as someone currently online..... that's the most absurd way for PvP to work imo. There's no skill to a great length. It's "can my stats beat that?" If so, and given they have no buffs to factor in it's almost a guaranteed win regardless in that scenario. 

 

Always personal with them. It's a game, chill out. PvP in FS at it's core = drama. That's the biggest perk to it as far as I'm concerned.

Edited by Gutie, 18 February 2015 - 06:27.

[RebornJedi]

I thought you rage quit the game like a month ago RJ, why are you still ranting about PvP? To avoid getting blasted for trolling, which I still kind of am....

have to admit, the tease of the mobile app kept me tied to the forums   hoof's 2015 thread talked about some good change coming.. so i walked away and played dozens and dozens of other games.. some instant fails.. with others evolving my thoughts on how games could be played.. eventually i was pulled back into the forums to spark some debate..

 

please don't look at my posts/threads as rants or trolling.. they are only discussion platforms.. you know how this game evolves?.. through discussion, no matter what subject it is on or how much taboo is involved.. PvP hasn't been talked about in months, so i brought it up in the new year.. along with some interface or other suggestions.. i'll bump a thread till it's locked if i have enough faith in it.. a lot of features you probably use daily were put into the game by a suggestion i wouldn't let die..

 

engaging players through debate on different aspects of the game should be encouraged and not ridiculed.. 

[CountFxUup]

what i dont like about PvP is its not player vs player its always player vs guild you can never just have a 1 vs 1 battle i tried this once upon a time me and this guy hit each other quite a few times. well he bounties me and his guild wound up taking almost 50 levels or so from me that was also the day i joined my current guild . And also everyone cries this is a pvp game i call bullcrap ive never played a MMO or any other kind of game with PvP in it and people have the power to attack anyone instantly. Every game ive played requires you to either be in a pvp zone or accept a duel invite or manually trigger your pvp status. This game is setup for failure on the pvp front i dont care what the game started with its quite obvious that a huge player base wants it gone or a way out forever why not give those players that option why cant we opt out of pvp forever and the only way to get it back is to pay a 150FSP upgrade fee or something.

[DeadParrot]

Not necessarily.

I'm not in a "PvP Focused Guild" and there are plenty of my friends who still "have my back". Having people who would fight for you doesn't mean that you're in their guild, it means that at some point or another you gained their respect and support and that carries over time.



 

Ditto, Korova isn't necessarily PvP, but if any of our members need the old fist 'o cuffs, we got em.  We carry gear for leveling, pvp, and whatever else pops up.

 

DP

 

As Lou points out many times, ITS ALL ABOUT YOUR GUILDIES WITHIN THE GAME MECHANICS, nothing else. Nothing.

[BadPenny]

what i dont like about PvP is its not player vs player its always player vs guild you can never just have a 1 vs 1 battle i tried this once upon a time me and this guy hit each other quite a few times. well he bounties me and his guild wound up taking almost 50 levels or so from me that was also the day i joined my current guild . And also everyone cries this is a pvp game i call bullcrap ive never played a MMO or any other kind of game with PvP in it and people have the power to attack anyone instantly. Every game ive played requires you to either be in a pvp zone or accept a duel invite or manually trigger your pvp status. This game is setup for failure on the pvp front i dont care what the game started with its quite obvious that a huge player base wants it gone or a way out forever why not give those players that option why cant we opt out of pvp f

Sweetheart, I play a lot of games, and most of them have PvP..... not one has any kind of opt-in/opt-out system.  FS is one of the few that even has an "attack range"  Most of the others, if you think you can win, you can hit.  Granted, only one other where you lose XP, but I play several where gold (or that's game's currency) is stolen.  Time limits vary from once or twice a day to none at all.  Some have an "arena",  others an attack player list, similar to our find player list.  On none of those games is PvP even remotely debated.  It's accepted as part of the game.  FS should be the same way.  It has PvP, PvP is an integral part of the game.  It's here to stay.  You have options to minimize your exposure (PvP protection, secure your gold).  I think I can safely speak for the PvP community when I say if you don't have anything for us, we're moving on to somebody better.   If you're not actively provoking somebody, you should have nothing to worry about... and in the rare instance that you do, you can borrow my SledgeHammer, BigGrim.... he does his job well, if he knows it needs to be done.  You gotta talk to him though, there is no mind reading buff in all of Erildath...

[yotwehc]

Granted, only one other where you lose XP, but I play several where gold (or that's game's currency) is stolen...

Interesting... I think most wouldn't worry about getting attacked in pvp if xp were not lost. a solution!

[BadPenny]

Yeah, we all know that's not happening.  Hoofmaster wants XP loss to remain, nothing else matters on that front.  

[yotwehc]

Yeah, we all know that's not happening. Hoofmaster wants XP loss to remain, nothing else matters on that front.

Understood. Hopefully this helps you understand why its "debated" here in FS land. Comparing FS to other pvp games is disengenuous especially if xp loss is off the table.

[BadPenny]

No, Sugar, it doesn't help me to understand.  For 8 years, I have tried to understand.  

What I do understand is that people don't want to feel targeted and singled out... Except for a select few, this isn't happening.  

 

What I don't understand is what is the hubbub about a handful of XP and/or gold for a 10 prestige hit.  What I don't understand is why you're so angry at me for stealing that 2 mil you dangled in front of me like a carrot.  What I don't understand is why I have to be labeled as a second class citizen based on the actions of a handful with no scruples or honor.  

 

Please, help me to understand... I'm sorry I don't get it, I really want to, but the concept escapes my comprehension here.

[yotwehc]

No, Sugar, it doesn't help me to understand. For 8 years, I have tried to understand.
What I do understand is that people don't want to feel targeted and singled out... Except for a select few, this isn't happening.

What I don't understand is what is the hubbub about a handful of XP and/or gold for a 10 prestige hit. What I don't understand is why you're so angry at me for stealing that 2 mil you dangled in front of me like a carrot. What I don't understand is why I have to be labeled as a second class citizen based on the actions of a handful with no scruples or honor.

Please, help me to understand... I'm sorry I don't get it, I really want to, but the concept escapes my comprehension here.

Your post stated that you didn't understand why pvp was debated in FS while it was perfectly fine in the other pvp games. I was trying to help you understand that with my response. Can we acknowledge that first? Do you still not understand why FS's pvp system is hotly debated vs the other systems? Let's start and finish this then we can go on to your other topics as it does actually relate. But one step at a time.

[BadPenny]

No, I don't understand.  In FS, nobody really gets hurt, nobody dies. You lose a handful of XP and a tiny bit of gold (unless I'm lucky and MT kicks in, and even then, the guy's got <100K on hand).... I'm so sorry, it's so awful you have to kill 3 more beasties to get that back... and here I made you waste that stam...   Please, help me understand why this is so bad....  

 

I can almost understand the guy who just gave me his gold, but he's been around a long time now, he should know how to secure it.   A big wallet is just an invitation for me.

 

I can understand the guy who just received a bloody nose from me.... But if I did, I had a reason.... I will stand behind friends and guildmates.  I have undying loyalty for those I love.  And it's not always pretty to be spanked by Pennah, and I can understand if this might upset someone.

 

So, help me to understand about the 1st one.  Why is 3 beasties worth of XP so blasted important, anyway? 

[yotwehc]

No, I don't understand. In FS, nobody really gets hurt, nobody dies. You lose a handful of XP and a tiny bit of gold (unless I'm lucky and MT kicks in, and even then, the guy's got <100K on hand).... I'm so sorry, it's so awful you have to kill 3 more beasties to get that back... and here I made you waste that stam... Please, help me understand why this is so bad....

I can almost understand the guy who just gave me his gold, but he's been around a long time now, he should know how to secure it. A big wallet is just an invitation for me.

I can understand the guy who just received a bloody nose from me.... But if I did, I had a reason.... I will stand behind friends and guildmates. I have undying loyalty for those I love. And it's not always pretty to be spanked by Pennah, and I can understand if this might upset someone.

So, help me to understand about the 1st one. Why is 3 beasties worth of XP so blasted important, anyway?

Let me flip the question. If 3 beasties worth of xp is NOT important then why not just remove XP loss? It's no big deal right? You say xp loss is not a big deal but then when xp loss removal is considered, all heck breaks loose. Huge hypocrisy. If you truly belive xp loss is no big deal then you won't care if it's removed or not... Just like other pvp games

Edited by yotwehc, 20 February 2015 - 22:33.