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#21 activeh1

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 00:13

so gaining 800 level with no stam is normal now ?


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#22 BadPenny

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 00:25

Take a look at the logs, don't care.  I am sure they already did. Nothing to hide, I have been complacent with them the whole time, offered to give whatever information they wanted on how it was done. Toxicity galore and people comparing things as equal when they are entirely different. I can bring up many things in public forum about you and your guild Yote but i don't. Why? Because one it will go no where, two it's bad for the game in general to spin a narrative where you don't have proof without a reasonable doubt. You really aren't supposed to do this regardless, send a ticket enough said. At the very least keep it in your echo chambers. 

 

I was confident this was not an exploit based off the below reasoning.

 

1. Arterial strike was working exactly as coded and intended.

2. Groups have always shared exp, working as intended

3. Group update was changed to 10 attacks recently and explicitly stated fresh of memory working as intended

 

Lets go over three common things of what some people do not understand.

 

1. This method of sharing EXP to lower levels really caps out at around the mid 1000s. The leveling formula starts getting rather exponential. It would be a very interesting catch up method for when this game is released on the app market. Also the higher the levels in a group the less exp you get.

 

2. This was not as easy as everyone is stating. It took a lot of time, and you had to know what you were doing. Not only that it took a lot of coordination.

 

3. Everyone had equal opportunity to do this. This was not something exclusive to us.

 

You need to take a step back and think about this logically otherwise you are just a lost cause in the matter.

 

If you have a problem with how previous things were handled take it up with the cows not me or my guild. Comparing AH Exploit... Rather DUPE should I say to this is not even close, nice try.

 

It is not my fault we had a better understanding of the changes they were making. If they are going to make changes, it's going to effect the meta. We plan to write the meta, this is how games work. If we cannot have confidence to play the game the cows code it, we can't play at all.

You know as well as I do that Arterial Strike was NEVER intended for group play.  It was designed for the player that doesn't consistently 1 hit to get a bit more experience to make up for the extra stamina spent. You will never convince me that an unfair advantage wasn't taken of an anomaly that apparently occurred when Conserve was added to the AS equation....   As to who writes the meta?  I had great respect for you, but this takes the cake.... who died and made you GOD?


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#23 EpicPiety

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 00:44

You know as well as I do that Arterial Strike was NEVER intended for group play.  It was designed for the player that doesn't consistently 1 hit to get a bit more experience to make up for the extra stamina spent. You will never convince me that an unfair advantage wasn't taken of an anomaly that apparently occurred when Conserve was added to the AS equation....   As to who writes the meta?  I had great respect for you, but this takes the cake.... who died and made you GOD?

Not worth my time frankly... again speculation, assumptions nobody KNEW that. Continue the cycle of toxicity, i'm out of here after this last post.

 

Just because someone did something more efficiently than you doesn't mean you get to take it away. Very dangerous concept people in this thread are poking at.

 

We plan to write or shake the meta up. Doesn't necessarily mean we will succeed although just a goal of our Guild :).


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#24 Grumpy Grey

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 01:40

Well lets see the definition

exploit
verb
 
/ɪkˈsplɔɪt,ɛkˈsplɔɪt/
1.make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
"500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology"
2.make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand.

 

So if making 800 levels off no stam is not an underhanded way of playing or by definition an exploit. The I guess all those players who were banned for the AH bug have been banned wrongly because if we were to use your argument then the AH was working correctly as coded So those players did nothing wrong either.



#25 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 02:06

Honestly, I can't be mad about that, I can't remember anyone doing anything similar in what, 12+ years the buff is around?

 

I've never thought of Arterial Strike besides it being an useless buff, as much as I want to be angry that people had the chance to use an 'exploit' to level up like crazy without doing much, the mechanics were there, everything was working as intended, no one was breaking any rules...I'd put it in a similar realm as farming an EOC Elite/Champion just for GXP, something that wasn't intended, but within the game mechanics...It's somewhere between a 'cheater' and a 'genious' move, since no rules were broken, genious it is then.

 

And yes, the change is very much needed, this shouldn't be a 'common thing to do', but without MoM discovering it no one else would, or never did...And I believe EP and others from MoM also agree that it's a stupid mechanic that shouldn't be in the game at all.



#26 macb00k

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 02:13

Honestly, I can't be mad about that, I can't remember anyone doing anything similar in what, 12+ years the buff is around?
 
I've never thought of Arterial Strike besides it being an useless buff, as much as I want to be angry that people had the chance to use an 'exploit' to level up like crazy without doing much, the mechanics were there, everything was working as intended, no one was breaking any rules...I'd put it in a similar realm as farming an EOC Elite/Champion just for GXP, something that wasn't intended, but within the game mechanics...It's somewhere between a 'cheater' and a 'genious' move, since no rules were broken, genious it is then.
 
And yes, the change is very much needed, this shouldn't be a 'common thing to do', but without MoM discovering it no one else would, or never did...And I believe EP and others from MoM also agree that it's a stupid mechanic that shouldn't be in the game at all.



If they are so bent on it being a stupid mechanic why are they so uptight about the changes and the exploitation of it? A lot of the community EXCLUDING THEM are heavily upset about it, where as EP and MoM just care about their reputation? It’s all deflecting from them. 0 consideration for the rest of the community. Frankly pathetic
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#27 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 02:14

Well lets see the definition

exploit
verb
 
/ɪkˈsplɔɪt,ɛkˈsplɔɪt/
1.make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
"500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology"
2.make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand.

 

So if making 800 levels off no stam is not an underhanded way of playing or by definition an exploit. The I guess all those players who were banned for the AH bug have been banned wrongly because if we were to use your argument then the AH was working correctly as coded So those players did nothing wrong either.

And I also go as far as agreeing with your last statement, in my opinion they were not doing anything wrong, the code was there, the mechanic was there, the mistake was in HCS side...In my opinion they should have reseted the server 24hrs or so back and dealt with the consequences...But in this case it was a MAJOR exploit, a code that went online without double check and created the mess...It's a more grey of an area to stand on...As far as HCS leave knots untied, players will find ways to tie those knots the way they want to, it's a competitive game.


Edited by yghorbeviahn, 24 December 2020 - 02:16.


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Posted 24 December 2020 - 04:56

all they had to do ask hsc before they done it ,you cant tell me they thought it up on the day ,was planned in advance 

 

 

and if they knew about it why not tell the cows and get it sorted before the event 

 

 

there comeback is  its game mechanic ,yes it is but its a broken game mechanic which they knew about and exploited 

 

and all that happens is 3 multis get banned ,why not get the group leaders to answer some questions ,only person we here from is EP 


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#29 BadPenny

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 08:21

I'd really love to hear what hoof has to say about all of this.  All we've seen so far is what Zue has to say, and with all due respect, she really hasn't been around long enough to know everything she needs to know about these things.  I'm reasonably sure that hoof never intended for AS to be used for group play, as that makes absolutely no sense, since groups are created for combined strength, not for leveling purposes... Those that believe otherwise can keep on telling themselves that if it makes them feel justified for manipulating what is obviously an anomaly to everybody else.....  

 

Me, I think I'm going to wander off to other horizons.  Maybe I can find a mature community where common sense and integrity still mean something...  (No, Virginia, neither of those things can be bought or sold.... I think you have to be born with them, and if not used, they go away)


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#30 kitobas

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 11:57

but wouldnt most players stop after they discovered it and report it to hsc ?

 

especially a leader or member of 2nd rated guild in fs 

yes you stopping, it calling common sense and having integrety

 

we players having resposibilty reporting bug, exploit, not abusing it

 

You know as well as I do that Arterial Strike was NEVER intended for group play.  It was designed for the player that doesn't consistently 1 hit to get a bit more experience to make up for the extra stamina spent. You will never convince me that an unfair advantage wasn't taken of an anomaly that apparently occurred when Conserve was added to the AS equation....   As to who writes the meta?  I had great respect for you, but this takes the cake.... who died and made you GOD?

he knowing it, I 100% sure but he having no choice, he needing trying defending eoc players who doing exploit many 100 times

 

you making many mistakes

  • before xp event you sending many shoutboxes in game recruiting many new, lower players, before you not doing it, normal you having minimum requirements to joining: - Level 1000+ and - 20,000 max stamina like top guilds but this time you changing and strange (after exploit it showing you already planning it long ago, you having intention of using exploit but because no proof, let saying it speculating)
  • new player who playing fs game for 1 hour knowing when you wanting leveling you use your character with buffs (al, lib, conserve, doubler and rest) to go hunting yourself, this is common logic that everyone knowing, if player wanting to leveling hunting then he needing using his character manually with buffs (al, lib, conserve, doubler and rest) to doing hunting, everyone in comunity knowing this and if player saying after playing game 12 years then it lie and everyone knowing
  • groups was created helping players who having trouble beating creature stats, in group other players in guild can joining for helping increasing stats for group leader killing creature, hcs making mercs you can hiring for help for increasing stats to killing creature, this everyone knowing but eoc players using exploit for group to give many 100 levels to low players who only joining and doing nothing
  • when you discovering group exploit why you not sending ticket asking hcs if it ok or no? it is writing in terms of use for game bugs and cheats I will posting at end
  • I 100% sure you sending ticket to hcs after players reported exploit but it too late, you already getting catching, if you not getting catching you would not sending ticket about exploit
  • eoc players who doing worse exploit not making 1,2,3 times and then stop, they making many 100 times giving low players many 100 levels, this everyone knowing not normal and exploit, that why hcs closing it
  • after doing 1,2,3 times exploit why not stopping and reporting, why making many 100 times? nobody stupid believing
  • you trying persuading but nobody stupid, everyone knowing it is exploit even only player yghorbeviahn who defending you saying it exploit, he even saying it major exploit, we using common sense and integrity and hcs will doing same and baning who exploiting, they doing very good job with auction house exploiters, it not mattering who player, what level he have or what guild he is, hcs treating cheaters same way

 

I've never thought of Arterial Strike besides it being an useless buff, as much as I want to be angry that people had the chance to use an 'exploit' to level up like crazy without doing much, the mechanics were there, everything was working as intended, no one was breaking any rules...I'd put it in a similar realm as farming an EOC Elite/Champion just for GXP, something that wasn't intended, but within the game mechanics...It's somewhere between a 'cheater' and a 'genious' move, since no rules were broken, genious it is then.

you not understanding what you talking about, calling it between cheater and genius move, lol genius because they first discovering exploit? when auction house exploit I hearing first person who discovering it ct, is he genius because he discovering exploit first lol, that is very stupid for saying

 

And I also go as far as agreeing with your last statement, in my opinion they were not doing anything wrong, the code was there, the mechanic was there, the mistake was in HCS side...In my opinion they should have reseted the server 24hrs or so back and dealt with the consequences...But in this case it was a MAJOR exploit, a code that went online without double check and created the mess...It's a more grey of an area to stand on...As far as HCS leave knots untied, players will find ways to tie those knots the way they want to, it's a competitive game.

what you writing, they not doing anything wrong but you sayig it major exploit lol

you saying it major exploit but they not doing anything wrong?

I thinking something wrong with you, how can you saying major exploit is nothing wrong? do you understading what word exploit meaning?

here go reading for you understanding

 

Well lets see the definition

exploit
verb
 
/ɪkˈsplɔɪt,ɛkˈsplɔɪt/
1.make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
"500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology"
2.make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand.

 

I seeing yghorbeviahn in ted guild and you in leadership, someone who thinking that major exploit is nothing wrong and in leadership is very bad, disgrace for saying major exploit is nothing wrong, disgrace

 

 

all they had to do ask hsc before they done it ,you cant tell me they thought it up on the day ,was planned in advance

 

 

and if they knew about it why not tell the cows and get it sorted before the event

read his posting, he saying it taking a lot of time

2. This was not as easy as everyone is stating. It took a lot of time, and you had to know what you were doing. Not only that it took a lot of coordination.

 

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they abusing exploit and terms of use, they breaking rule, then hcs will breaking them, always saying no to cheaters, bug and exploit


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#31 moonfrost

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 13:10

While players are entitled to their opinions on these things, TED as a guild sees this as an exploit.  It may be considered a part of previous game mechanics but the actual application of it in terms of what was done would easily be within the boundaries of an exploit. Had members of TED did this, it would result in a great number of players being banned in our guild, no questions asked.



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Posted 24 December 2020 - 14:58

I love how as soon as it’s something that has to deal with MoM, HCS barely do anything, but as soon as it’s someone outside of that guild (eg. AH EXPLOIT), they actually take action (as they should). Might as well come out and admit that you endorse that guild despite years of shady stuff from them.

This is 100% an exploit and you’re crazy if you think it’s not and have no integrity. But since the EOC players donate so much, seems like HCS don’t want to kill their income source which from a business POV makes sense. I understand the tough position this puts them in, but how you responded with AS is blatant favoritism.

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 15:08


Hi all,
 
The skill "Arterial Strike" will no longer work for Group Attacks.
 
While this was not an exploit, we believe this change was necessary & made sense going forward!
 
~The Fallen Sword Team.
 
As Zue stated, it was not an exploit. We have dealt with this as we needed to. We're locking this thread as it has served it's purpose and is descending into name calling and finger pointing.
 
~ Grim.
 
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