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[Dulcharn]

You do, if you gain xp a ton faster than others that hunt the exact same amount of levels. You surely can't say that's not a disadvantage for those that don't sit with VL at EOC while hunting?

 

But you've already gained the XP for that level. The only extra thing you gain after that is GXP and bragging rights.

It's indeed putting no one at a disadvantage. Correct

[Mzzery]

But you've already gained the XP for that level. The only extra thing you gain after that is GXP and bragging rights.

It's indeed putting no one at a disadvantage. Correct

 

You gain gxp all over again, and you know that.

[Mister Doom]

Maybe FFS has more active players than in your guild?

 

I think that's quite obvious, although of course you know that's not my point...

FFS is probably the guild taking the MOST advantage of this exploit, so it only makes sense that they would have their members on mass to defend it. I pointed this out to Hoof earlier, when it comes to fixing an exploit being fixed a game wide poll is quite pointless. Those that aren't affected directly will feel apathy, while those that are at risk of losing access to said exploit will be motivated to vote against change. I'd be VERY surprised to see an 80% yes vote to this poll when Hoof decides its been up long enough.

 

That DOES NOT mean that it's not wrong though Dully and deep down, I think you know that.

[Maehdros]

But you've already gained the XP for that level. The only extra thing you gain after that is GXP and bragging rights.

It's indeed putting no one at a disadvantage. Correct

 

 

You're saving stam releveling dully, by hitting a critter 500 levels above you. It's a big advantage . You know that Regardless if two players need the same xp per level, one sits on a champ 500 above em, one runs around titan hunting, relic capping, and has to relvel through all the levels. what seems fair to you?

[Dulcharn]

You're not looking at this game-wide Dulcharn maybe?

For instance, take FFS a guild that take predominantly high levels right? They have a high % of players using this very exploit to further boost their GXP.

 

This puts EVERY guild that either has players unwilling to exploit the game OR not at EoC.

People who've already gained their BH/Smasher medals (which we've already talked about O.o) are also having their achievements diminished.

 

So yeah, not completely victimless Dully.

 

Actually only 2 or 3 players enjoy it in FFS. So not a high %, I'd say, Doomers.

I don't see my medal achievements diminish in value because a few decide to delevel themselves

[C4RPY]

The reason "pvpers" are for this change is because now EOC players are willing to lose a lot more levels for their guild then the "pvpers" and thus they cant control them as much

 

This is very true indeed... surely PvP'ers should embrace the fact that leveler's are getting more involved in PvP and hitting them as they have hit others over the years, this should offer more enjoyment and fun to PvP'ers and their preferred part and style of gameplay.. yet it seems not so, not quite liking the fact that some players are now fighting back..

[Mzzery]

The reason "pvpers" are for this change is because now EOC players are willing to lose a lot more levels for their guild then the "pvpers" and thus they cant control them as much

 

It's not about control here. You'd not be willing to lose levels, unless you could sit on that champion? But you are at EOC, so why would losing levels be an issue, regardless of whether you'd need to hunt like the rest of tthe playerbase does, and not be able to just sit on that champion?

 

If you really like the game, and enjoy all it's challenges, you'd not want to just sit on one creature endlessly. 

[Dulcharn]

You're saving stam releveling dully, by hitting a critter 500 levels above you. It's a big advantage . You know that Regardless if two players need the same xp per level, one sits on a champ 500 above em, one runs around titan hunting, relic capping, and has to relvel through all the levels. what seems fair to you?

 

Sure, it's better to level up there after you've already reached that level. But it's an advantage everyone can enjoy.

If one decides to go away from the realm for a relic capture, then so be it. I run around like that all the time.

But both players have the choice to do so.

[C4RPY]

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[Mister Doom]

Posted Today, 17:49

The reason for having the Virtual Level is so that player's can't de-level than attack other players at their Actual Level using the stat points allocated based on their Virtual Level

 

However I do agree attacking a champion that is much higher level than your Actual Level isn't ideal, so I'm going to put up a poll to see if the community think attacking a creature above you should be limited to 'x' levels above your Actual Level.

 

(Posted by Hoofmaster)

 

See, this is what I find the most disturbing, Hoof himself can see that this is wrong, yet he's willing to leave it up to which side "has the biggest gang to support them"

 

Boggles the mind.

[Leos3000]

It's not about control here. You'd not be willing to lose levels, unless you could sit on that champion? But you are at EOC, so why would losing levels be an issue, regardless of whether you'd need to hunt like the rest of tthe playerbase does, and not be able to just sit on that champion?

 

If you really like the game, and enjoy all it's challenges, you'd not want to just sit on one creature endlessly. 

Hoof took away all the "challenges" this is just something that I enjoy doing now, it helps my guild out, and lets me use all my stam in the time I have to level.

[Dulcharn]

You omitted the part of the mesage, Doomers.

[supermum]

To me this looks like a lot of envy from players not at EOC..well if not there yet you are still able to and allowed to delevel to gain xp again at any time.

personally I am not and have never been at EOC, but if players up there want to delevel to play again and again the same creature, then let them do so...

I know where the idea came from in the first place, and I know who had the idea first too, and it was not in this game but another game that is now vitually dead due to lack of content.

well I still am againt the change, and think it reeks of "I cant reach the apples , so the apples are not good"

 

if HCS wants to make any change to this system, then just change the fact that GXP is gained from hunting at levels below virtual level..then people can still hunt to get personal xp back up and have fun killing their champ again and again, but the guild wont benefit  from it, and it wont put anyone else at a disadvantage in any way

[PsychoPathe]

So it all falls back to "The rich are getting richer and the poor remain poor". Those top 1% decide they want to delevel and relevel for GXP, who does that really effect? They spend money on the game, which in turn is put back into development of the game and servers, as well as paying the appreciated admins. From this comes new content and new aspects of the game that ALL players enjoy. If only a 1% ( or less really) do this, it really takes nothing from the game. It gives pvper's more targets, and allows the top players something to do till new content is released. Yea, I am in FFS. Even before this started, we were still pulling away in GXP from every other guild.

[Mister Doom]

You omitted the part of the mesage, Doomers.

 

I omitted what Dully? I couldn't quote from a locked thread but if you want, go have a look yourself. That's exactly what he said, word for word.

[raist007]

I wat to vote, but in this case i need to wait until Hoof clarifies one thing....Are SEs and Titans excluded from the proposed change?  If they are excluded and I could hunt SEs/Titans higher than my level then I am definitely in favor and would vote yes.  Otherwise, no.

 

One thing I don't understand is why they can't just scale the xp the way they do when you fight creatures BELOW your level....as you gain levels, if you keep fighting the same creature, for each level above the creature you get less percentage of xp for each kill.  So, why not do the same for deleveled players - if they are 400-500 levels below the creature's level, use some sort of percentage that gives 400-500% less xp (or whatever formula is appropriate).   I remember leveling early on in the game, where you had maps with creatures that could be 5-10 times your actual level, but the xp/kill you received was still capped based on your actual level (ie, killing a level 25 mob did NOT grant any further xp than killing a level 20 mob when I was level 20)....why not use the same type of formula to help prevent the gxp exploit here.  Cause honestly, if it is just so much 'hard work' to have ppl hit you naked to lose 400-500 levels, then it would only make sense that you SHOULD have to work your butt off to regain those levels - this is only common sense imho. 

 

Thanks, and Hoof please let us know about SEs/Titans...

 

Raist007

 

[Leos3000]

Also people are not pointing out all the disadvantages to sitting in 1 realm...

 

-Your stuck in this realm till you relevel

-You can not Titan hunt

-You can not SE hunt

-You can not Defend a relic or capture 1

-You can not open chests

-You can not farm

-Sometimes you cant even participate in Events (Global, LE, etc...)

 

So its a matter of compromising to which aspect of the game you enjoy more or are currently participating in.

[Mister Doom]

Also people are not pointing out all the disadvantages to sitting in 1 realm...

 

-Your stuck in this realm till you relevel

-You can not Titan hunt

-You can not SE hunt

-You can not Defend a relic or capture 1

-You can not open chests

-You can not farm

-Sometimes you cant even participate in Events (Global, LE, etc...)

 

So its a matter of compromising to which aspect of the game you enjoy more or are currently participating in.

 

Leo, self imposed sacrifices can't be used as a valid reason as to why an exploit shouldn't be fixed.

 

That's like saying, "Sure I may make a lot of money from robbing a bank, BUT, I can't go home or chill out like YOU can, I have to go on the run."

 

(Sure may be a bit of an extreme example, but the point is valid)

[PsychoPathe]

Also people are not pointing out all the disadvantages to sitting in 1 realm...

 

-Your stuck in this realm till you relevel

-You can not Titan hunt

-You can not SE hunt

-You can not Defend a relic or capture 1

-You can not open chests

-You can not farm

-Sometimes you cant even participate in Events (Global, LE, etc...)

 

So its a matter of compromising to which aspect of the game you enjoy more or are currently participating in.

 

+1

[Dulcharn]

I omitted what Dully? I couldn't quote from a locked thread but if you want, go have a look yourself. That's exactly what he said, word for word.

 

Omitted the beginning of the message, where it 'came to their attention'.

So I think someone typed out a bias argument, then they posted it.