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[Alphamale]

Hello, 

 

 

I'd like you to check the "random" loot dice of:

 

ZeusIV

Reinedor

 

 

As it's disgusting how much loot they get... I really doubt it's "random"

And it can't be luck cus they always get everything... 

 

So HCS be honest is it totally random or are there other variables accounted into them aswell?

 

 

[Alteration]

The two of you are my friends, but seriously.  Your dice rolls make me want to give up on dungeon running. 

 

 

There should be some kind of loot rotation, instead of random dice rolling.  You'd see people winning every single drop in ASV (4 defined gems in a row), and you'd have others doing 20 straight runs without getting a single decent drop (only fusion powders).  

Edited by Alteration, 19 June 2014 - 14:51.

[Kijjum]

Ninja need 

[Simeonus]

Signed, I don't think they cheat but lol 3/4 rare gems and drops we loot they got it @.@

[livingtarget]

It rolls between 1 and 100 it's completely random. Nothing is taken into account. Random can just be cruel and not very fair.

[Doja]

If Alphamale doesn't want to tank for ZeusIV and Reinedor you two are both welcome to join my dungeons.  I'll gladly risk your incredible rolling ability. 

[Alteration]

It rolls between 1 and 100 it's completely random. Nothing is taken into account. Random can just be cruel and not very fair.

Even if someone rolls the same number as ZeusIV and Reinedor, they still win the item all the time

 

Any chance of implementing a loot rotation system on gems instead?

[Susej]

LOL they actually are lucky on rols

[Irradiated]

Is it really that bad, over many runs?  I've noticed that, for me at least, loot seems to come in streaks.  I'll do several runs and get nothing, then suddenly have one or two runs getting 1/2 the rolls.  So anyone with me for just those two runs might think I'm incredibly lucky.

 

I am curious how HCS generates the random numbers.  I don't know much about it, but have heard complaints regarding java.util.random.

 

That said, 99% of the time when people have problems with random numbers,

Random can just be cruel and not very fair.

really is the cause.

[Alteration]

Random can just be cruel and not very fair.

is true.  However, when you do 60 runs at 30 minutes each run, and only win 4 of at least 40 gems that you needed/wanted, or if it takes you 60 runs to get 20 remnants (out of a total of 240 that dropped) and you just bought the remaining 20 because you gave up trying to win, it gets really REALLY discouraging.  Especially when you see people who gets a "lucky streak" every single run (not exaggerated).  The two individuals mentioned above win at least 33% of all drops in every run they are on, and at least 75% of the "good stuff", onyx/ruby/amber/topaz/emerald/opal/diamond/remnants.  

 

Random can just be cruel and not very fair.

So loot rotation please?

Edited by Alteration, 19 June 2014 - 17:28.

[Simeonus]

Three times tied highest roll and other won, why? You should change that system. In other MMO's leader of party can change loot distribution and I think it's fair

[reinedor]

I can't believe I'm actually posting.  >.<

 

There have been plenty of runs where the only thing I've won was fusion powder, if that.  You've just had the bad luck of being with me when I do have the luck to win.  xD

 

I'm only speaking for myself of course, I don't know what arcane, loot-grabbing rituals Zeus might have been up to.

 

As for rigged dice, if there are any, I look accusingly at my dear warriors/warsins who steal win all my rubies.

[Alteration]

I can't believe I'm actually posting.  >.<

 

There have been plenty of runs where the only thing I've won was fusion powder, if that.  You've just had the bad luck of being with me when I do have the luck to win.  xD

 

I'm only speaking for myself of course, I don't know what arcane, loot-grabbing rituals Zeus might have been up to.

 

As for rigged dice, if there are any, I look accusingly at my dear warriors/warsins who steal win all my rubies.

 

Heh I thought you would actually post regarding this topic, you're not Ben after all

 

 

But eh, tbh, I've stopped doing runs aside from ASV.  Too boring, fine, friends keep asking.  And it *is* supposed to be profitable.  But no more.  Spending all my time in TA working for my own gems.  At least the glim onyxes I get there reflects the amount of effort I put into the game.  

Edited by Alteration, 19 June 2014 - 17:42.

[Cygnus]

Three times tied highest roll and other won, why? You should change that system.

This part is the easiest to change. Players are currently rolled in the order they are grabbed from the group, we'll change this to mix up the order each time. We're also adding a re-roll setup for when there is a draw for first place (like how a draw dice roll is often handled in board games).

 

As for the straight up randomness, the RNG can be unfair at times and this probably isn't exactly what we want either in this situation. We're toying with some ideas that should improve the fairness.

[ChelseaBrick]

I don't know--I tried out the theory declaring Zeus' name before each roll in ASV yesterday and it worked like a charm.  Four gems and a bone shield later...I stopped because I felt guilty.  

[Mongo]

reine's fault.

[reinedor]

reine's fault.

Says the warsin that steals the loot in every run!

[Mongo]

Says the warsin that steals the loot in every run!

Lies reine! you stole all my garnet drops. Hackzor. 

[reinedor]

Ok, fine. Zook got all the garnets and you got everything else. >.<'

[Alphamale]

Reinedor omg... You take all gems and all the attention of every guy in the team and still complain about drops? OMG?8