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#21 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 02:42

Having thought about it a bit from the poster's point of view and the game in general. 

 

I'd vote for it not being possible to send items to any player that has been inactive for 7 days.

 

After so many years of the game being one way, changing the economics that bad would be hard.

Just make it only possible to send Guild Tagged items for any player over 7 days inactive, it's easier.



#22 BadPenny

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 02:49

After so many years of the game being one way, changing the economics that bad would be hard.

Just make it only possible to send Guild Tagged items for any player over 7 days inactive, it's easier.

That makes a good compromise if you ask me....


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#23 BigGrim

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 09:22

I'd vote for it not being possible to send items to any player that has been inactive for 7 days.

 

Again, why do inactive members backpacks concern you? Yet to hear an answer to this question. Possibly because the answer ought to be "They shouldn't."

 

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#24 Corrupted

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 12:04

Why do they concern him, or anyone in the game? Some guilds use inactives to hold gear, potions and resources for their guildmates to use. It's a mechanic that has been in the game as far as I can remember, I thought this was common knowledge.



#25 BigGrim

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 12:50

Why do they concern him, or anyone in the game? Some guilds use inactives to hold gear, potions and resources for their guildmates to use. It's a mechanic that has been in the game as far as I can remember, I thought this was common knowledge.

And yet, those players backpacks are none of his, or anyone else's, business, which is entirely my point. What the Guild does is also no one else's business. Their being active or not is irrelevant.

 

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#26 Corrupted

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 13:09

So, you're saying if someone were to deliberately send items to another player, that's ok. Because the receiver's backpack is none of the sender's business, correct?


#27 BigGrim

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 14:30

Rather obviously not. Please don't be obtuse for the sake of it. Is it your backpack? Are you in the same Guild? If not, LEAVE THEM ALONE. They have nothing to do with you.

 

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#28 Tilley10

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 15:09

Rather obviously not. Please don't be obtuse for the sake of it. Is it your backpack? Are you in the same Guild? If not, LEAVE THEM ALONE. They have nothing to do with you.

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So, are there consequences to sending items to players? I think that’s the question that everyone has asked but no answer has been given. If there are consequences, what will those be? How will you prove this? Or, should we change how the sending item system works?

My opinion is that there are larger issues that should be resolved well before this.

#29 alejandio

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 15:15

The person starting this kind of threads is obviously seeking for attention as per usual, just close it, there's no point discussing this.

Edited by alejandio, 13 August 2020 - 15:15.


#30 Corrupted

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 15:28

Rather obviously not. Please don't be obtuse for the sake of it. Is it your backpack? Are you in the same Guild? If not, LEAVE THEM ALONE. They have nothing to do with you.

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Grim,

I'm not being "obtuse for the sake of it". All I'm saying is that your explanations are not clear enough. The community is trying to get some verdict on how HCS sees this type of stuff (sending items to inactives). You are the only HCS staff person who participates in the Forums and the only point of reference we have for a lot of these issues.

At the same time, I'm not advocating for the mechanics in the game to change (we know how long those take). All I (we) want is to know what the Admins' take is on the situation and what should (or not) be expected of players in terms of actions and behavior.

I would also like to remind you, English is not my first language. I'm not here to be rebellious or dramatic.



#31 BadPenny

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 15:37

I hope I'm being the voice of reason here, and I am not intending to  be disrespectful in any way,  but the burning question in my mind is this:

 

Is it all right to flood ANYONE'S Backpack with junk items, where the sole purpose is to troll them or their guild (in the case of an inactive)?  I know this has been done in the past, and I find it childish and immature to be sure, but is there a rule against it? Or does it fall into some grey area?


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#32 wil72

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Posted 13 August 2020 - 16:17

Rather obviously not. Please don't be obtuse for the sake of it. Is it your backpack? Are you in the same Guild? If not, LEAVE THEM ALONE. They have nothing to do with you.

 

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This is true however it will never happen. Current game mechanics allow an active player to send gear to any other player active or inactive. As long as the mechanic remains so will the sending. Disputes between players and Guilds arise all the time and the "old chestnut" of sending multiple items to inactive Guild members in opposing Guilds is a sneaky way of scoring points. It reduces the receiving Guilds ability to hold gear, potions, etc unless they fork out fsp for Guild store slots as unless the inactive player logs back in and clears their backpack storage space is lost.

 

As the above appears to manipulate current game mechanics I think that is the reason why people are seeking a definitive answer.

 

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#33 activeh1

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Posted 14 August 2020 - 06:34

 

 

As the above appears to manipulate current game mechanics I think that is the reason why people are seeking a definitive answer.

 

Cheers,

wil72

that all i was after from the 1st post 


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#34 BigGrim

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Posted 14 August 2020 - 08:40

Is it all right to flood ANYONE'S Backpack with junk items, where the sole purpose is to troll them or their guild (in the case of an inactive)?  I know this has been done in the past, and I find it childish and immature to be sure, but is there a rule against it? Or does it fall into some grey area?

There is no specific rule against it no, but it is a display of someone going out of their way to ruin things for others and MAY result in action being taken. It is a trolling act and as I have said previously in this thread, other players and their backpacks (especially those in other Guilds) are NONE of anyone's business and they should leave them alone. They are not causing you trouble so don't cause trouble for them or their Guild. It's pretty simple.

 

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#35 Josh1404

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Posted 14 August 2020 - 16:13

There is no specific rule against it no, but it is a display of someone going out of their way to ruin things for others and MAY result in action being taken. It is a trolling act and as I have said previously in this thread, other players and their backpacks (especially those in other Guilds) are NONE of anyone's business and they should leave them alone. They are not causing you trouble so don't cause trouble for them or their Guild. It's pretty simple.

 

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Agreed. This whole thread is absolute nonsense. Just close it and have done.



#36 michael65

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Posted 14 August 2020 - 17:31


what is going on in this thread/fs ?!?!

there used to be a healthy fear of game admin. with stories of people being banned for unstated reasons, years ago.

between other online entities able to deplatform or remove without a reason and a scottish court decision back in the 1990s, the law is on the side of game admin.

gs cost 50 gp converted from 50 fsp, bp cost 15 fsp. clearly cheaper for guilds to invest in bp. from the perspective of individual guildie, if thinking of donating fsp to guild best to get bp and giving excess to guild banker.

founders can become inactive.

guild member slots cost fsp, too.

i have sent items to former guildmates and non-guild players inactive accounts. my hope was to help them for when they return.

btw, did not hoof, again years ago in forum, stated filling someone elses bp was prohibited? one player couldn't fight another player so retaliated by sending many gifts. the reciever complained in forum. (try to find the post. gl)

the inactive is still a contributing member of the guild. pls be respectful.

#37 EpicPiety

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Posted 14 August 2020 - 17:57

As far as i'm concerned you are sending them common frag gifts. If they log on they can use them :), hopefully it's the unique user though. I am very accepting of common frag gifts, i usually have to pay please pick me.

I've been a big advocate from taking Guild backpack from 50>15... I can barely count many items on one hand that are worth more than 50 FSP. Those who have paid the original price get their slots multiplied or fsps reimbursed in the guild FSP bank.

Game mechanics like this encourage inactivity, which right now the game really does not need.


Edited by EpicPiety, 14 August 2020 - 18:02.


#38 BadPenny

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Posted 14 August 2020 - 19:37

There is no specific rule against it no, but it is a display of someone going out of their way to ruin things for others and MAY result in action being taken. It is a trolling act and as I have said previously in this thread, other players and their backpacks (especially those in other Guilds) are NONE of anyone's business and they should leave them alone. They are not causing you trouble so don't cause trouble for them or their Guild. It's pretty simple.

 

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#39 Pythia

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Posted 15 August 2020 - 02:52

I think I have 70 some BP spaces, I think they are full now, but might have one open.  The topic of this thread is one of the reasons I slammed the door of this game and no, I didn't let it hit my ass as I left.

 

I used to call my set collecting for hunting my fashion show and I enjoyed it, but over time it became harder and harder to return gear to the player if I didn't like what my stats looked like. I'd pull gear from a number of players then use a cloak as I equipped and unequipped the gear checking stats as I worked. 

 

So I wore the same gear because I ran out of room to work. In the end that one little act ruined my enjoyment, impacted the number of levels I got, my experience and gold gain.

 

That's when I stripped off the epics and left. I never understood why some people needed to do that.

 

If I find my way through the black of my world into the light again, I'll come back to play. If I come back now, I'll be banned for the mouth I have because it's not filtered when it comes out of the place I find myself in at this time.

 

Keep your hands off my BP and stay out of my guild.

 

I'm a March woman. I was born with my heart on my sleeve, a fire in my soul, and a mouth I can't control. Thanks for understanding.


Edited by Pythia, 15 August 2020 - 02:54.



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