well, the solution is easy friends. make it like pvp arena and problem solved. Limit the number 2 people from same guild can join the ladder. If this can be applied to pvp arena, it can be also applied to pvp ladder and I see no harm of it.
The Ladder is Broked
Started by DeadParrot, Jun 19 2014 00:33
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Posted 19 June 2014 - 03:21
As Jedi put it, make them consumable. Maybe even bound. Problem solved as long as they are good enough to be wanted to use by the community.
Yes, but isn't this whole topic about guilds taking over certain ladder ranges? So, if the problem stated here is that people can't win or gain tokens cause a whole guild is basically ganging up on them on the ladder shouldn't we fix that first? In my opinion, I don't want anymore restrictions to the ladder and/or PvP overall.
And yes I do believe there are ways to fight back. Sure it might be time consuming, stam costly, and overall hardwork, but it is possible. Ask your own guildsmates to join the ladder, if you are both in the same range, or even friends.
Edited by Melons, 19 June 2014 - 03:30.
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Posted 19 June 2014 - 06:13
Well based on what I've seen and experience I don't blame you pausing over that ladder! Sheesh!
Not much to add that hasn't already been covered in some form already.
Just posting to bump thread and add one more voice to say -- yep she's a broken! But just as this thread wanders from the main point so quickly it proves it's broken in many ways and this is just one of those.
About a month ago I thought Grim and Hoof were going to talk about the Ladder and PvP, but may be over-generalizing. I do recall they were suppose to talk and then come forth with some thoughts and open it up for discussion (with debates of who should be in that discussion - wide open/limited participants). Aim was I think to refine the perceived problems and begin working towards a path of resolution.
In the meantime the removal of being able to bounty ladder hits was to happen despite a rather mixed viewpoint on that. Granted I'm all for that, as just see it abused too often and not used for the loftier claims of regulating rude players. To me there's a solution for rude players -- it's call the Iggy List and 100 stam 100% of the time even when not much to gain.
Edited by BraveKath, 19 June 2014 - 06:14.
#25
Posted 19 June 2014 - 07:27
Another problem that needs to be addressed is the fact that I got rewarded last reset with tokens when it was just me and my guildmates 'playing'.. What a boring and most non derserving reward
If people are earning tokens for doing nothing then that is a total and absolute farce. That is a total Dire Straits situation, money for nothing and in this case the ladder should be dissolved and removed from the game as it is being abused/manipulated and is no better than someone using a script to gain an advantage in the Arena/Auction House or whatever. Yes people are using scripts in the Arena for auto entry.
Hoof/Biggrim/Zorg this needs looking at ASAP as this renders the pvp ladder and pvp in general as a total joke with no credibility.
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Posted 19 June 2014 - 08:03
I quit playing the ladder because there's just no competition in my range, which makes it no fun anymore. I agree this needs a fix, but I'm uncertain what might work.
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Posted 19 June 2014 - 15:20
If people are earning tokens for doing nothing then that is a total and absolute farce. That is a total Dire Straits situation, money for nothing and in this case the ladder should be dissolved and removed from the game as it is being abused/manipulated and is no better than someone using a script to gain an advantage in the Arena/Auction House or whatever. Yes people are using scripts in the Arena for auto entry.
Hoof/Biggrim/Zorg this needs looking at ASAP as this renders the pvp ladder and pvp in general as a total joke with no credibility.
Heck yeah. As Grim eluded to in another post...pvp might be well-served to return to its original form.
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Posted 19 June 2014 - 20:41
Heck yeah. As Grim eluded to in another post...pvp might be well-served to return to its original form.
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All the way back... like with no cap on levels lost on BB... but keep the new PvP ranges,,,
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#29
Posted 20 June 2014 - 02:44
If people are earning tokens for nothing then something is broken since the ladder rules clearly state you must attack or defend to win. Since you can't attack or be attacked by a guild mate you shouldn't be getting tokens for single guild ladders. I did notice the jedi is on trial in his current guild so I wonder if there was a glitch somewhere with his ladder opt in and new guild status. If tokens are awarded as a one time occurrence then it's a glitch and carry on but if it continues then the cows need to address it immediately.
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#31
Posted 20 June 2014 - 05:12
If the cows ever get back to work on the game(The roadmap, that is), nobody will like the changes... Solving this specific issue can't be won by making even a few people happy. Divisions are to vast. Neglect has gone too long. We need Hoof to make some decisions about his game and stick to them. Don't ask players anymore. Enough has been written about this and many other game topics already. What we all need to see is action. Is there any fuel left in the tank or can we expect the same 'ol nothing new around here?
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#32
Posted 20 June 2014 - 17:07
If the cows ever get back to work on the game(The roadmap, that is), nobody will like the changes... Solving this specific issue can't be won by making even a few people happy. Divisions are to vast. Neglect has gone too long. We need Hoof to make some decisions about his game and stick to them. Don't ask players anymore. Enough has been written about this and many other game topics already. What we all need to see is action. Is there any fuel left in the tank or can we expect the same 'ol nothing new around here?
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Posted 20 June 2014 - 17:13
If people are earning tokens for doing nothing then that is a total and absolute farce. That is a total Dire Straits situation, money for nothing and in this case the ladder should be dissolved and removed from the game as it is being abused/manipulated and is no better than someone using a script to gain an advantage in the Arena/Auction House or whatever. Yes people are using scripts in the Arena for auto entry.
Hoof/Biggrim/Zorg this needs looking at ASAP as this renders the pvp ladder and pvp in general as a total joke with no credibility.
glad to see others have noticed that scripts are being used in arena as well...auto entry is disgusting and is still happening...ladder should be eliminated if it cant be fixed...fix these probelms cows...hurting your game..and enough with saying it is unsportsmanlike...it is CHEATING !!..fix the cheating in fallensword..stop the scripts...
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Posted 21 June 2014 - 02:15
If the ladder can't be fixed, I may as well level... UGH 
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#35
Posted 21 June 2014 - 06:26
In my opinion, I don't want anymore restrictions to the ladder and/or PvP overall.
Ding, ding, ding... we have a winner!
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Posted 21 June 2014 - 07:54
I quit playing the ladder because there's just no competition in my range, which makes it no fun anymore. I agree this needs a fix, but I'm uncertain what might work.
Me too Penny. When there's some competition - it's a blast, but that's rare and when they kick and scream when you want to actually PvP that gets tiresome.
I'm not of the mind that the rewards need to be greater, as time and time again in this game it's been proven when there's a big reward the motivation for people to cheat is only stronger, and cheat they do! I suppose if you could gain back some common potions you might have used that would be nice, or maybe ladder stam would be used at a lower rate -- heck I don't know.
I agree with Lou -- and ultimately if we just went back to the old days of PvP I think that would be best for the game in the long run and including removal of PvP Protection, but whatever. In another game I'm playing there is a forum, but the developers do not encourage brain-storming by the players and instead they are all actively involved in the game and I realize that's not feasible for Hoof etc based on the structure/business model of HCS, but maybe they could hire a few local retired folks in their neighborhood who could play and report back. BTW I find the comparison between the games funny and there the PvP is rampant & brutal - there is no level limit on who you can hit up or down, but the game is ridiculously popular, so the people keep coming back - so PvP obviously doesn't kill a game.
Edited by BraveKath, 21 June 2014 - 08:00.
#37
Posted 21 June 2014 - 09:44
PvP Ladder cooldown sounds fair...
similar to other mechanisms of the game
with cooldown, that promote more ppl getting involved
#38
Posted 21 June 2014 - 13:09
Could someone describe what PVp was like pre-2009? I think I'm for very few restrictions as well. As I mentioned in another thread, eliminating range restrictions but allowing for an algorithm that boosts low level stats might be a possibility. For example, gear in the 100-150 range might have total stats of 200 (don't know the exact number) while gear in the 500-550 range might have stats at 400; so that's a pvp adjustment factor of x2 if the level 100 wants to hit the level 500 (take into account level up points etc, and Bob's yer uncle).
A thought. Couldn't be worse (and limiting) than it is.
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A thought. Couldn't be worse (and limiting) than it is.
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#39
Posted 21 June 2014 - 19:58
I'm on ladder for more than 5 months now, and I rememer an occasion were I was out triping with friends, when I get back the Ladder had 2 resets, and I received tokens for both, without even logging in on the game.
Just now the high lvl Ladder (2000 and 2100) it's only with my guildmates (The Evil Dead), it's against the rules? Of course not, they all want to play the Ladder, but if someone from another guild wants to join he will have 9 targets on his back. So, what can we do about it? Punish my guildmates from joining on the Ladder, what is not wrong? Punish player on those ranges for not joining the Ladder, even having 9 targets on his back? No one is wrong about this.
What the Ladders need is new items, so more people will want the Tokens = More people joining.
And I really the idea of 'no opt-in', everyone will be on ladder, wanting it or not.
#40
Posted 21 June 2014 - 21:05
This post is about the 1000-1099 ladder.. The one lone cat doesn't seem to be having any trouble.. Instead of asking for a change, how about joining in the fun
Edited by RebornJedi, 21 June 2014 - 21:06.
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