46 replies to this topic

[Irradiated]

HCS had to do something about Despair.  It was not functioning as documented, and by definition that makes it a bug.  So they chose to fix it.  A perfectly legitimate decision, even if not the best one.  No reason for people to go ballistic over this.  You don't usually hear a software company asking for permission to fix a bug.

 

This thread boils down to a request to put back the bug, call it a feature and document it.  Given the comments above I have to agree, and given this outcry HCS will probably accept it.  But remember, from the developer's POV, fixing a bug is usually the correct thing to do.

[Alphamale]

HCS had to do something about Despair.  It was not functioning as documented, and by definition that makes it a bug.  So they chose to fix it.  A perfectly legitimate decision, even if not the best one.  No reason for people to go ballistic over this.  You don't usually hear a software company asking for permission to fix a bug.

 

This thread boils down to a request to put back the bug, call it a feature and document it.  Given the comments above I have to agree, and given this outcry HCS will probably accept it.  But remember, from the developer's POV, fixing a bug is usually the correct thing to do.

 

Just proofs how much of a shitty job they did on templars if a bug generates more threath than half of my theat abilities... And I do expect them to fix the bug with WBS also making it only possible to do them with 5/10 people cus it for sure ain't intended for that many people. But ye that would force dps' to actually max dps and pay attention at wbs. 

 

Fact remains that every "difficulty" upgrade is paid by templars

[Linkondrugs]

You know you all could just move to another game? Like i did.

[Susej]

HCS had to do something about Despair.  It was not functioning as documented, and by definition that makes it a bug.  So they chose to fix it.  A perfectly legitimate decision, even if not the best one.  No reason for people to go ballistic over this.  You don't usually hear a software company asking for permission to fix a bug.

 

This thread boils down to a request to put back the bug, call it a feature and document it.  Given the comments above I have to agree, and given this outcry HCS will probably accept it.  But remember, from the developer's POV, fixing a bug is usually the correct thing to do.

I bet if i just magicly silenced you IRL, you would be pretty pissed of with me, i wouuld be. lol

 

Just proofs how much of a shitty job they did on templars if a bug generates more threath than half of my theat abilities... And I do expect them to fix the bug with WBS also making it only possible to do them with 5/10 people cus it for sure ain't intended for that many people. But ye that would force dps' to actually max dps and pay attention at wbs. 

 

Fact remains that every "difficulty" upgrade is paid by templars

 

When a spell gives that much treat and impale does not its something they need to look after, but not making it harder to tank, if the all the tanks used despair its cause it was veeeery helpfull so dont move rotations of the most needed class in this game without warning players first.

Edited by Susej, 31 May 2014 - 16:21.

[xpwaste]

I bet if i just magicly silenced you IRL, you would be pretty pissed of with me, i wouuld be. lol

 

 

When a spell gives that much treat and impale does not its something they need to look after, but not making it harder to tank, if the all the tanks used despair its cause it was veeeery helpfull so dont move rotations of the most needed class in this game without warning players first.

Or making another talent that can be used instead of that.

Barter system has fed our ancestors for a very very long time.

[awollsd]

You know you all could just move to another game? Like i did.

pm me what game pls

[HappyDays]

You know you all could just move to another game? Like i did.

I am interested to know also. I am open to trying new things. please pm me also.

[xpwaste]

I am interested to know also. I am open to trying new things. please pm me also.

same

[slipknot84]

[awollsd]

lmao

[PhurieDae]

We're already looking at ways to help Templars cope with bearing the brunt of the repair costs (the 10% repair reduction was part of that) so we can certainly look at other ways for them to generate and hold aggro now that Despair has been fixed. I'm a (low level) Templar myself and I have definitely struggled to hold aggro when dealing with multiple enemies.

 

The good thing is that now Despair has been fixed, it's exposed a problem that we might not have been fully aware of before. If tanks are relying on a bug to maintain their threat, that's not a true solution & it's just masking an underlying issue.

[Susej]

We're already looking at ways to help Templars cope with bearing the brunt of the repair costs (the 10% repair reduction was part of that) so we can certainly look at other ways for them to generate and hold aggro now that Despair has been fixed. I'm a (low level) Templar myself and I have definitely struggled to hold aggro when dealing with multiple enemies.

 

The good thing is that now Despair has been fixed, it's exposed a problem that we might not have been fully aware of before. If tanks are relying on a bug to maintain their threat, that's not a true solution & it's just masking an underlying issue.

Also you lowered repair costs, but no one high level( i think so) does not use gold to repair, they use kits otherwise with gold is way too much.

 

tanks take a big tool on that.

 

And yes despair was a great tool, it stilll generates aggro but its like 10% of what it was.

 

And i personally though it was on purpose.

Edited by Susej, 02 June 2014 - 11:29.

[slipknot84]

new skill high up in the templar tree sounds good

[Alteration]

We're already looking at ways to help Templars cope with bearing the brunt of the repair costs (the 10% repair reduction was part of that) so we can certainly look at other ways for them to generate and hold aggro now that Despair has been fixed. I'm a (low level) Templar myself and I have definitely struggled to hold aggro when dealing with multiple enemies.

 

The good thing is that now Despair has been fixed, it's exposed a problem that we might not have been fully aware of before. If tanks are relying on a bug to maintain their threat, that's not a true solution & it's just masking an underlying issue.

Sometimes, I feel like you guys don't even test out your own updates.  Like how Rumble was practically impossible, and was left that way for 2 weeks.  If you guys just magically gave yourself TR gear, and tried to run it before releasing, you'd have found that out immediately.  

 

Have one of you play a level 45 tank, and see how tanking is currently in the game right now, before attempting changes.  Making decisions based only on paper and pencil (theories) without actual practice usually results in work you have to fix immediately.  

[xpwaste]

Make a beta test server and let us test out ur changes before implementing.

 

IK im asking too much

 

But if it happens, i'd be happy to help

Edited by xpwaste, 02 June 2014 - 12:11.

[Alteration]

The good thing is that now Despair has been fixed, it's exposed a problem that we might not have been fully aware of before. If tanks are relying on a bug to maintain their threat, that's not a true solution & it's just masking an underlying issue.

And this affects more hybrid healer/templar builds more than pure templar builds.  Now I don't know what the developers' view is on hybrids.  Maybe they should be punished for attempting something different by losing aggro and wiping the party more than regular tanks.  If threat generation talents are improved but placed right in the end of the templar tree, you might be forcing all tanks to play cookie cutter builds in the future.  

Edited by Alteration, 02 June 2014 - 12:17.

[Susej]

Sometimes, I feel like you guys don't even test out your own updates.  Like how Rumble was practically impossible, and was left that way for 2 weeks.  If you guys just magically gave yourself TR gear, and tried to run it before releasing, you'd have found that out immediately.  

 

Have one of you play a level 45 tank, and see how tanking is currently in the game right now, before attempting changes.  Making decisions based only on paper and pencil (theories) without actual practice usually results in work you have to fix immediately.  

Rumble is still impossible.no one as finished that ascended dungeon yet.

 

But yes they should test it first.

[HuMoR]

Rumble is still impossible.no one as finished that ascended dungeon yet.

 

But yes they should test it first.

I don't think its impossible..just requires very very close to perfect timing on everything from the templar and prophet(s) .

Also I must say i really do feel people are taking this in the wrong direction. Read before trying to bash me,but I agree to a extent some templars may have problems keeping aggro or even hyb prophanks but..asking them to break a move for the purpose of more freedom isn't the way to go. I think this AND many other problems could be resolved by a much simpler solution or set of solutions really. 1) new talents implemented for each class. 2) possibly more threat added to already in game ability/talents. 3) more ability ideas for each set class (45). 4) asking for more moves to get extra random effects or even gear or set bonuses for extra effects. EX: templar heavy set receive 5-10% extra threat(fabled maybe 15-20%) , or vindicate when specced gives additional 5,10,15 % threat to any enemies effected by vindicate ability and also when fully capped make vindicate apply to all enemies within maybe a 5 yard radius. 

These are just examples..But i think it is a better direction then constant arguing bickering and complaining over a fix that was needed. Fixing a move that did something it wasn't supposed to is a correct fix regardless of how many relied on the bug.
 

Edited by HuMoR, 02 June 2014 - 13:35.

[Tsali]

Why is it that every time this game gets an update, it screws the Templars?  Every single time!

 

Are you angry at Templars?  Did a Templar jack you for your lunch money at school? What?

Edited by Tsali, 02 June 2014 - 14:03.

[Tsali]

Give up your mage, Guthix, and play a Templar for a while! , Maybe then, you'll get it!