26 replies to this topic

[hbklives]

Simply put, Sacrifice is broken.
When you use certain higher levels of Sacrifice, it still gives you an average amount of gold.

During my hunt, I used the newest Global Pot. It contained Sacrifice 500, which would end up giving you 125% less gold when you hunt.
(500 x 0.25 = 125.)

I had distilled my Sacrifice to level 575. That level of Sacrifice would end up giving you 143.75% less gold.. Yet, I still got a normal amount of gold.
(575 x 0.25 = 143.75.)

Running:
[*:2r7b2z1o]Adept Learner 575.
[*:2r7b2z1o]Librarian 259.
[*:2r7b2z1o]Overkill 1150.
[*:2r7b2z1o]Smashing Hammer 175.
[*:2r7b2z1o]Sacrifice 575.
[*:2r7b2z1o]Holy Flame 575.
[*:2r7b2z1o]Necrosis 575.
[*:2r7b2z1o]Conserve 288.
[*:2r7b2z1o]Summon Shield Imp 150.
[*:2r7b2z1o]Reckoning 175.
[*:2r7b2z1o]Wither 518.
[*:2r7b2z1o]Keen Edge 175.
With each kill, I was getting around 3,000 gold. At the end of my hunt, I finished with 1.4 million gold.

How is that even possible if you wouldn't be gaining gold in the first place?

[shdowdrgn]

RJEM has already busted this. Sacrifice activates before TH meaning that gold is still brought in if i remember correctly . please see here for more details >> viewtopic.php?f=1&t=106342

[Zordor]

If you notice, treasure hunter wasn't in the buffs she had running.

[Savanc]

And even if TH was running then it would still be weird to see any gold gain. After all TH would increase the 300 base gold with 35% to 405 gold per stamina, while Sacrifice 575 would decrease the gold by 143.75% of the base gold which is 431.25 gold. So it would still be a negative amount of gold per stamina (minus 26.25 gold).

Effectively, we could have Sacrifice up to level 540 before returns actually reached 0. I'm not sure that was what HCS intended, but if it was then please ignore me!

Another odd thing is that hbklives ended up with 1.4 million gold after a 10k stamina hunt, while other people in RJEM's topic ended up with less gold while using more stamina and a lower Sacrifice (for example, zizzwyly used 21k stamina with Sacrifice 460 and got 1.2 million gold). :roll:

[hbklives]

And even if TH was running then it would still be weird to see any gold gain. After all TH would increase the 300 base gold with 35% to 405 gold per stamina, while Sacrifice 575 would decrease the gold by 143.75% of the base gold which is 431.25 gold. So it would still be a negative amount of gold per stamina (minus 26.25 gold).

Effectively, we could have Sacrifice up to level 540 before returns actually reached 0. I'm not sure that was what HCS intended, but if it was then please ignore me!

Another odd thing is that hbklives ended up with 1.4 million gold after a 10k stamina hunt, while other people in RJEM's topic ended up with less gold while using more stamina and a lower Sacrifice (for example, zizzwyly used 21k stamina with Sacrifice 460 and got 1.2 million gold). :roll:

Exactly, it doesn't make sense at all.

[hbklives]

I spend 15k-16k stamina on hunting.I hunted with Sacrifice 525 and with doubler 1200. I only got like 300 gold per kill with TH 175 and ended my hunt with 300k gold(Not certain with how much i started my hunt though)

RJEM has already busted this. Sacrifice activates before TH meaning that gold is still brought in if i remember correctly . please see here for more details >> viewtopic.php?f=1&t=106342

That's with TH though. I did not have that buff activated on me.

[Zukira]

sounds like it needs a serious testing with and without.

Maybe it got coded to expect TH, and is broken when TH is not there 'because everyone uses TH when they hunt' (Though why anyone would think to use TH or Merch when hunting with a high level Sac is beyond me. I just think of them as a waste of opportunity and stamina.)

[Savanc]

sounds like it needs a serious testing with and without.

Maybe it got coded to expect TH, and is broken when TH is not there 'because everyone uses TH when they hunt'

Only one way to find out. Who wants to 'sacrifice' themselves?

(Though why anyone would think to use TH or Merch when hunting with a high level Sac is beyond me. I just think of them as a waste of opportunity and stamina.)

And it's a waste of Reckoning to have two (should-be) useless buffs on you. :wink:

[Zukira]

Only one way to find out. Who wants to 'sacrifice' themselves?

*gets out the voodoo doll and raises Savanc's hand*

[DirtyChick]

I also hunted last night. I used 15k stam with Sacrifice 525.

No TH or Merchant active yet I still picked up 1.7 million gold pieces.

Something is not right with that, unsure if I gained the correct amount of XP or not. I was too tired to work it out.

[hbklives]

I also hunted last night. I used 15k stam with Sacrifice 525.

No TH or Merchant active yet I still picked up 1.7 million gold pieces.

Something is not right with that, unsure if I gained the correct amount of XP or not. I was too tired to work it out.

I was using Doubler 1150, Adept Learner 575, Overkill 1150 and Sacrifice 575.
I was getting around 130,000 XP per kill.
250,000-300,000+ XP with Librarian/Overkill kicking in.

[Splash]

I had a hunt the other day with 20k stam + all the GE epic pots (lib525, al525, dblr1500, sac525 etc) without TH/MERCH - I think I had about 1.8mil at the end of it ... So yea, definitely broken

[hbklives]

I had a hunt the other day with 20k stam + all the GE epic pots (lib525, al525, dblr1500, sac525 etc) without TH/MERCH - I think I had about 1.8mil at the end of it ... So yea, definitely broken

That is a bit much.
Could we have a HCS member check this out?

[Maury Bund]

There is something weird with it going on. Using a 16x doubler, 525 Sacrifice and no TH, I was getting approximately 1450 gold from a creature with around 290g. Someone buffed me TH (though I didn't ask for it) and my take dropped down to 450g on each attack. I took it off again and it jumped back up to 1450g.

[sohail94]

There is something weird with it going on. Using a 16x doubler, 525 Sacrifice and no TH, I was getting approximately 1450 gold from a creature with around 290g. Someone buffed me TH (though I didn't ask for it) and my take dropped down to 450g on each attack. I took it off again and it jumped back up to 1450g.

from your numbers it looks like that Sacrifice works normally up until level 400(with no TH) after that the gold you gain is negative but it is being treated as positive. (if that makes sense )

seems Sacrifice works as follows (after level 400 with no TH running):

Base gold: 290
Sac multiplier : 525*.25/100 = 1.3125 (Taken from base)
Base*Sac = 1.3125*290 = 380.625

Base - (Base*Sac) = - 90.625

Doubler = 16* -90.625 = -1450

Probably something in the code that doesn't allow negative numbers so it's changing them to become positive and allowing you to have gold you're not entitled to

[Savanc]

There is something weird with it going on. Using a 16x doubler, 525 Sacrifice and no TH, I was getting approximately 1450 gold from a creature with around 290g. Someone buffed me TH (though I didn't ask for it) and my take dropped down to 450g on each attack. I took it off again and it jumped back up to 1450g.

from your numbers it looks like that Sacrifice works normally up until level 400(with no TH) after that the gold you gain is negative but it is being treated as positive. (if that makes sense )

seems Sacrifice works as follows (after level 400 with no TH running):

Base gold: 290
Sac multiplier : 525*.25/100 = 1.3125 (Taken from base)
Base*Sac = 1.3125*290 = 380.625

Base - (Base*Sac) = - 90.625

Doubler = 16* -90.625 = -1450

Probably something in the code that doesn't allow negative numbers so it's changing them to become positive and allowing you to have gold you're not entitled to

It's an interesting thought.
However it doesn't match when TH was active.

Base gold: 290
Sac multiplier : 525*.25/100 = 1.3125 (Taken from base)
Base*Sac = 1.3125*290 = 380.625
TH multiplier = 1.35
Base*TH = 290*1.35 = 391.5

(Base*TH) - (Base*Sac) = 391.5 - 380.625 = 10.875

Doubler = 16 * 10.875 = 174

And 174 is a long way from 450. :?

Unless the TH was of a different level. Doing the math in reverse would lead to TH having to be around level 108. :wink:

[shdowdrgn]

perhaps something changed. wonder if RJEM would be interested in doing another myth buster on it as he is very good at it

[hbklives]

Bump for the cows.

[hbklives]

Without TH, using Sacrifice 575:



With TH/Merchant, using Sacrifice 575:



Ended up with 1,155,478 gold in the end..