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[scorp]

Lets start with new fabled weapons.As free player you have to be insane to grind for them,basicaly the best weapons in the game will be owned by those who have hell a lot of ep (rich players) or extremely lucky players.Now about the new event,2500 chocalate eggs for 1 key?Thats madness,in each new update the free 2 play part is insane grind,thats judging from the last 2 if that continues this game wont succeed.

Edited by scorp, 07 April 2015 - 04:02.

[SmexySpam]

I think they're trying to get players to grind hard for the cool stuff but they may be pushing a little too far.

[redsmokeboy]

V-day event to this one slowly going way of the grind to gain - Pay to gain more so.

Pay to win mean give you unfair adtage over other's.

Grind to gain coman inold game's even with pay elements was add so get these item sooner vs 2 months down road.

Game more and more route of grind to gain - Pay get sooner.

 

Still not Pay2Win, Pay to gain

From what i hear added some elemnt's more so Pay to gain to point where forced spend unable grind unless boting. More so way of the bot gain any things vs good player.

Edited by redsmokeboy, 02 April 2015 - 20:32.

[Fizban]

Lets start with new fabled weapons.As free player you have to be insane to grind for them,basicaly the best weapons in the game will be owned by those who have hell a lot of ep (rich players) or extremely lucky players.Now about the new event,2500 chocalate eggs for 1 key?Thats madness,in each new update the free 2 play part is insane grind,thats judging from the last 2 if that continues this game wont succeed.

reading your own post, how the hell is it P2w? you already said an insane grind, but it can be done, the event is vanity only, so i'm still confused on the P2w statement

[redsmokeboy]

Very true, Vanite item take up space get acvemnt point done, Who need vanite pets so forth after acvemnt is done.

Vabite - pet have  no practical use or unfair advatage. from some one with out vanite - pets.

Over all Pay to gain not yet Pay 2 Win. More so going back to 2004 or so When meaning of grinding 101 ment some thing get any thing ment spend 6 hr's grinding in hope find some thing.

 

Over all like see key added drop list at 1% chance drop from bunny boss some other mean's as grind 2500 chocolets kill boss bunny very small chance gain key.  Right now grind to gain route vs grind gain + bonus.

 

boss bunny do have add vanite loot, Over all needed have key elemntent add for those who hunt wabbits and hopefully rare chance get key open one these egg get vanite item next to worthless geral mean's.

 

Vanite item = no use

Edited by redsmokeboy, 02 April 2015 - 20:57.

[scorp]

reading your own post, how the hell is it P2w? you already said an insane grind, but it can be done, the event is vanity only, so i'm still confused on the P2w statement

I didnt say that is p2w now but is it becoming?In others words is it turning slowly but surely into p2w?

[redsmokeboy]

shorti still no where near coming pay 2 win more so Pay to gain more so in gernal mean's.

Pay to gain, Basic trend for Eldevin.

Pay to gain simply mean pay now or spend say next 2 month grinding get sayed item in hope's get sayed item.

Scale of grinding to off set of paying.

 

Pay 2 win mean's unfair advatage withs pending money.

Vanite - Pets - Most item's in game all can be gain from grinding spending tiem in game.

Even cash shop limited in mean for any thing = Unfair advatge.

Time 1 day or week. = Pay to gain not unfair vantage when same person who got to sayed item in 1 day vs one who got in week.

 

even with time elemnt still nothing in way unfair advatge.

 

2 thing in game = Pay to gain = unfair avatge.

Gem removeal - 50 EP ea - Still have chance do free offer's limited and pointless so cover's pay to gain route notpay to win.

Issue with this this is 3 rd party vs in game mean's - EP 3 rd party elemnt not obtainable in game play.

 

2 nd thing in game can very for Vanite item's, Spending EP for chest random chance gain sayed item with no other option gain these chest in game with out spending EP.

[Fizban]

I didnt say that is p2w now but is it becoming?In others words is it turning slowly but surely into p2w?

'is eldevin becoming P2w?' is a question, 'eldevin is becoming P2w?' is a statement that begs an answer, therefore you said it's becoming P2w. i'm still confused as to how?

[RISDMAC]

for them,basicaly the best weapons in the game will be owned by those who have hell a lot of ep (rich players) or extremely lucky players.

The grind is the same for free to play players as it is for subscribers/donators - its stil 5/10k cores + 30/60 flakes per weapon...

 

sure items can be bought by EP but EP can and is traded - I know several f2p players who have more EP than I do 

[scorp]

'is eldevin becoming P2w?' is a question, 'eldevin is becoming P2w?' is a statement that begs an answer, therefore you said it's becoming P2w. i'm still confused as to how?

Im really sorry that im not native english speaker and my writing is not perfect/very good. *sarcasm*

[Fizban]

Im really sorry that im not native english speaker and my writing is not perfect/very good. *sarcasm*

and i'm really sorry you have to resort to sarcasm rather than explain your statement and try to degrade a simple harmless question,

[AwiesGoesRawr]

Yeah game is not P2W, but it does separate paying users and F2P users too much.

 

 

You get instantly rich when using real life cash, but F2P can only get gold and then trade it to EP.

 

Rich->Buy Gems/Rems/Gear/Friends. -> Spend 100$ and get all the goodies in 1hours or spend 100hours grinding to get to same level.

[Anameisaname]

Treya drops flakes but i agree it's dumb that you can buy them, bosses should drop weapon craft ingredients that are bound and that would prevent all p2w but even this isn't too bad. There's a lot worse out there, just look out the mmo window xD

[HappyDays]

The way flakes are going etc. It will have a big divide on free to play players and pay 2 play ep players. Before it used to be an option to do dailies as some found them boring repetitive and it was ok because they were not that pricy back at lvl 40 and you could buy some with gold or trade etc . There has now been a massive rise in the barrier to entry to certain stuff. Gold is near worthless etc and people only run treya with other kitted out people and some have core groups set they run with to keep loots in house and to divide stuff up. The avenues are getting closed. I thought hcs would work on the queue system, 1 man challenge dungeon and 2 man challenge dungeons etc, but none of that has come online. Only bits of a large puzzle that needs to be fixed and put together. There should be a wide and varying way to get stuff. Even if it is flakes for trading in x amount of cores at a reasonable rate, or dare I say fun things that are widely available to the pop.

 

I would imagine there is a good few who can't get treya dungeons frequently, maybe some can give experience stories if that is the case. So if you can't get treya runs and are miles off having dailies maxed etc which would still take a long time to grind the flakes....... pay or don't play.  There just seems to now be these massive barriers to entry to get to some stuff, in certain sectors of the game.

Edited by HappyDays, 02 April 2015 - 22:42.

[Trillium]

Runes of Magic was Pay to WIN.  Pay real money to endlessly boost "Upgrade" gems for Weps and Armor.  Bonus stats and gem slots only available to those who paid real money.  Non-grindable. 

Eldevin is not Pay to WIN.  

You have the OPTION to buy EP and use it as ingame currency to purchase mats that other players have farmed.

Mats that you choose NOT to farm yourself.

If anything, it's Pay to SHORTCUT.

 

Droprates and huge #s required for  crafting these items is an entirely different topic.

 

Is Eldevin Pay to Win?

 

No.

[AwiesGoesRawr]

Runes of Magic was Pay to WIN.  Pay real money to endlessly boost "Upgrade" gems for Weps and Armor.  Bonus stats and gem slots only available to those who paid real money.  Non-grindable. 

Eldevin is not Pay to WIN.  

You have the OPTION to buy EP and use it as ingame currency to purchase mats that other players have farmed.

Mats that you choose NOT to farm yourself.

If anything, it's Pay to SHORTCUT.

 

Droprates and huge #s required for  crafting these items is an entirely different topic.

 

Is Eldevin Pay to Win?

 

No.

 

P2P player's shortcut is like climbing over the low fence, when F2P does the marathon. Same result.

 

This doesnt look good for new players. They wont stick around just because people say 'Game is no P2P, just grind your ass off and u get the same result!' --- Still wondering why player count has never went over 500?

[Trillium]

Auction House will solve most of these issues. You may still have to pay with EP but a free market on materials will adjust the price downward.  For both materials and EP.  This new list of mats needed for the Fabled Weps is fresh in the player to player market and prices are inflated.  

[The Marienne]

What is your definition of "win"?

[ernzor]

Eldevin is Pay 4 Convenience

[Spirit]

No comment on 47 content but the event - we have to remember Eldevin has to make money somehow so that's expected for some items to be geared towards people who purchase or earn EP.

And it has to be balanced enough that free players aren't earning too many free "keys". Not just one person. So really it's better to earn EP and buy a specific item you're after cause you may not get the full set or a mount you want in 10 free chests anyways.

Unless you just want free EP - well that's another reason why I think keys are a bit too hard to get so people don't end up getting tons and tons of free EP from vanity.

Edit:

But I agree, making it too hard just for one key is ridiculous.

Edited by Spirit, 03 April 2015 - 05:02.