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Vampires of Stratos III - The Vampire Wars (game)
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 02:01
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 02:41
I'm not sure if I'll play again or not. I generally enjoyed the games; but my competive streak really flared badly this last game. No, I didn't cheat- but at times I did end up caring more about winning than having fun. I play gothador to relax, and stressing about "winning" isn't my idea of relaxing.
So, I'll think about it for a little bit; I just need to remind myself to have fun no matter what.
So, I'll think about it for a little bit; I just need to remind myself to have fun no matter what.
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 08:14
And that's what it's about, having FUN! It's a challenge to stay alive for even one day, and constantly talking your way out of the noose is an adrenaline rush, especially when it's working. 
Even in all three of my deaths so far, I had fun dying. The first, was cause i called for Seph's lynching right off. Matter of fact, I was the first person to cast a lynching vote at all. So, I was "too eager." That one was funny as anything!
This game is basically one big long adrenaline rush, first dose coming when the first person contacts you. Another huge dose coming when you realize, you've been sharing info with the wrong people! Another dose when you realize who has what role, etc. It's a game of logic and wit, where as other games are games of skill. And that is what makes this whole thing FUN.
Come on Kareena, join us in a rematch of this last game. Everyone from the this game, join us in a rematch! Let's all remember what the game is about, what it's purpose is, and then whoop each other's arses. Have fun in our deaths, in our victories, and in our losses.
Even in all three of my deaths so far, I had fun dying. The first, was cause i called for Seph's lynching right off. Matter of fact, I was the first person to cast a lynching vote at all. So, I was "too eager." That one was funny as anything!This game is basically one big long adrenaline rush, first dose coming when the first person contacts you. Another huge dose coming when you realize, you've been sharing info with the wrong people! Another dose when you realize who has what role, etc. It's a game of logic and wit, where as other games are games of skill. And that is what makes this whole thing FUN.
Come on Kareena, join us in a rematch of this last game. Everyone from the this game, join us in a rematch! Let's all remember what the game is about, what it's purpose is, and then whoop each other's arses. Have fun in our deaths, in our victories, and in our losses.
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 12:29
Fine, I'll play again. I wasn't going to, but... what the hell. But can we stop the Vamp teams from working together? They're supposed to be sworn enemies after all, and when they work together the humans are pretty much screwed. Aren't they? And where's the fun in converting one of the enemy vamp's team to create a 'double agent' if they're all on the same side anyway?
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 14:38
I would very much have liked to destroy the heretic clan as well as the prey, but with some people bending the rules we decided to put our differences aside to teach them a lesson. If I'm a vamp next time, I will wholeheartedly go after all who are not my clan; no more of this pact buisness.
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 15:17
Well, guess I should say in my defense, I had planned on quitting the game entirely just before the holidays.
I was talking with Ayla and her and I were trying to decide who all the special skilled humans were. I didn't know she was a vamp, nor her I, at that time.
We talked and tried to decide various factors and such and I really just wanted to quit, I had planned on not posting to arise the suspicions of the villagers so I'd be lynched. [was going to quit due to RL issues].
Ayla talked me into staying, that was not long after Songwoven was killed. That's when we figured out each other were vamps. Heck, how could her and I end up being just normal humans? Was so unlikely that both of us would be normal so we had to be something, vamp maybe?
After that, we decided to work together because Song had not had the chance to convert anyone before she died. We didn't tell Cyn either. She kept her clan to herself and I did mine. I didn't want her eating Cynyth so I didn't say his name to her at all. If she happened to turn again our clan, the only one she would take out would be me because she didn't know about him.
As far as why I don't honestly feel like playing is there was a lot of 'Dead' talk going on and it just kind of ruined it for me. It's fun to figure out who is what and yes, I'm sure it will slip out eventually within the humans as to who is who.
Beings that the game was played the way it was this time, yes, *giggles* can't get Tomtom to trust me now, lol, had him thinking I was human, but it was time to get out of the game so I willingly sacrificed myself as well as 'eat' Tomtom because I knew he was going to save a human. It did work to the vampire's advantage yes. I also didn't feel it was a particular clan that won, as far as I was concerned, it was the "Vamps" that won.
I am still contemplating on whether to play next time once Seph decides to revamp [no pun intented] a few rules and such in the game. We'll just have to wait and see how that goes.
Anyway, just wanted to spill my mind as to what I thought during the game. I had fun, enjoyed it and some of the players did very well at playing. Congrats to you and those of you who were new this time around and went outside the lines of the rules, well, we all have to learn the boundries somehow. Don't let everyones posts beat you down about it. Just remember it for next time you play.
I was talking with Ayla and her and I were trying to decide who all the special skilled humans were. I didn't know she was a vamp, nor her I, at that time.
We talked and tried to decide various factors and such and I really just wanted to quit, I had planned on not posting to arise the suspicions of the villagers so I'd be lynched. [was going to quit due to RL issues].
Ayla talked me into staying, that was not long after Songwoven was killed. That's when we figured out each other were vamps. Heck, how could her and I end up being just normal humans? Was so unlikely that both of us would be normal so we had to be something, vamp maybe?
After that, we decided to work together because Song had not had the chance to convert anyone before she died. We didn't tell Cyn either. She kept her clan to herself and I did mine. I didn't want her eating Cynyth so I didn't say his name to her at all. If she happened to turn again our clan, the only one she would take out would be me because she didn't know about him.
As far as why I don't honestly feel like playing is there was a lot of 'Dead' talk going on and it just kind of ruined it for me. It's fun to figure out who is what and yes, I'm sure it will slip out eventually within the humans as to who is who.
Beings that the game was played the way it was this time, yes, *giggles* can't get Tomtom to trust me now, lol, had him thinking I was human, but it was time to get out of the game so I willingly sacrificed myself as well as 'eat' Tomtom because I knew he was going to save a human. It did work to the vampire's advantage yes. I also didn't feel it was a particular clan that won, as far as I was concerned, it was the "Vamps" that won.
I am still contemplating on whether to play next time once Seph decides to revamp [no pun intented] a few rules and such in the game. We'll just have to wait and see how that goes.
Anyway, just wanted to spill my mind as to what I thought during the game. I had fun, enjoyed it and some of the players did very well at playing. Congrats to you and those of you who were new this time around and went outside the lines of the rules, well, we all have to learn the boundries somehow. Don't let everyones posts beat you down about it. Just remember it for next time you play.
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 16:05
Tomtom, I think the whole "are they working together" thing adds in an extra element of mystery and suspense to the game. That being said, we were under different circuumstances, and not everyone is going to make the choices that our two clans did, under any or other circumstances. Plus, it's something that you guys may expect next time around. Not quite fully sure why you guys didn't expect it the first time though.
I even told you, as well as a few others that I thought it'd be funny, but really really bad for the humans, if the vamps worked together! lol
I think, that for the most part, the humans were going after two seperate teams. This was one of their mistakes. A vamp is a vamp. Find them as one team, and you'll find them all.
Another deadly mistake was that the humans, for the most part, weren't working together. This is evidenced by one of them thinking Dark was a vampire all the way til the very end of the game. In a game like this, you gotta work together in order to come out on top. If you guys had all worked together, neither of the vamp teams would have won it at all.
Truffle, yeah, there was a lot of dead talking. I want to clarify though, what kind of dead talking was against the rules, and what kind wasn't.
For example, I talk to Nadat every day. I could tell her what I thought, or what our plans were, but she could not give me any feedback what so ever. She couldn't confirm nor deny my suspicions. She couldn't give me any new ideas or leads. This is allowable. We can share with the dead, they just can't share with us. She knew long before you did I think, that Tomtom was gonna poison me. She didn't say anything about it, until you told me.
That situation, all well and good. But when the humans are tricking the dead (at first) into giving them vital info, that isn't allowable. When the dead die and still actively participate in the game through the living humans, that wasn't allowable. One person was so bent on the humans winning, he PM'd another to tell her that WolfJack was a traitor. When I died, another one of the dead decided to try to pump information from me, so I played along and gave him false information. We were both dead so it should have led no where, right? The next day, the falseinformation that I fed was evident when someone else was lynched. These are situations that weren't allowed guys.
I won't go into the copying and pasting of private conversations, but I will say this. I didn't like that rule at all. I ranted and raved about that rule and the unfairness of it. Especially when Kareena lied about PMs I sent her. I wanted to be able to at least copy and paste our own messages to others. I was told no. What did I do? I honored and respected the GM's instructions. Meanwhile, others weren't.
This thing has been hounded into the ground. Really, it has. I think a rematch is important for all of us. Why? Not really sure. I could sit here and be happy tht we won and jus tlet it go forward, but my own sense of honor and fairness says that isn't right. Yeah, we won, but we won by using illegal moves others were making to our advantage. There was a major element that shouldn't have been there. And under the circumstances as they were, as far as I'm concerned, we were one vampire team. The vamps won. Technicalities and such, Dracul won, but no way in Hades that we could have pulled it off with out you guys, with everything else going on.
I even told you, as well as a few others that I thought it'd be funny, but really really bad for the humans, if the vamps worked together! lol
I think, that for the most part, the humans were going after two seperate teams. This was one of their mistakes. A vamp is a vamp. Find them as one team, and you'll find them all.
Another deadly mistake was that the humans, for the most part, weren't working together. This is evidenced by one of them thinking Dark was a vampire all the way til the very end of the game. In a game like this, you gotta work together in order to come out on top. If you guys had all worked together, neither of the vamp teams would have won it at all.
Truffle, yeah, there was a lot of dead talking. I want to clarify though, what kind of dead talking was against the rules, and what kind wasn't.
For example, I talk to Nadat every day. I could tell her what I thought, or what our plans were, but she could not give me any feedback what so ever. She couldn't confirm nor deny my suspicions. She couldn't give me any new ideas or leads. This is allowable. We can share with the dead, they just can't share with us. She knew long before you did I think, that Tomtom was gonna poison me. She didn't say anything about it, until you told me.
That situation, all well and good. But when the humans are tricking the dead (at first) into giving them vital info, that isn't allowable. When the dead die and still actively participate in the game through the living humans, that wasn't allowable. One person was so bent on the humans winning, he PM'd another to tell her that WolfJack was a traitor. When I died, another one of the dead decided to try to pump information from me, so I played along and gave him false information. We were both dead so it should have led no where, right? The next day, the falseinformation that I fed was evident when someone else was lynched. These are situations that weren't allowed guys.
I won't go into the copying and pasting of private conversations, but I will say this. I didn't like that rule at all. I ranted and raved about that rule and the unfairness of it. Especially when Kareena lied about PMs I sent her. I wanted to be able to at least copy and paste our own messages to others. I was told no. What did I do? I honored and respected the GM's instructions. Meanwhile, others weren't.
This thing has been hounded into the ground. Really, it has. I think a rematch is important for all of us. Why? Not really sure. I could sit here and be happy tht we won and jus tlet it go forward, but my own sense of honor and fairness says that isn't right. Yeah, we won, but we won by using illegal moves others were making to our advantage. There was a major element that shouldn't have been there. And under the circumstances as they were, as far as I'm concerned, we were one vampire team. The vamps won. Technicalities and such, Dracul won, but no way in Hades that we could have pulled it off with out you guys, with everything else going on.
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Let's talk strategy guys! What worked, what didn't work!
Dracul got extremely lucky from the very start of the came. I knew as soon as I opened that first PM telling me who my team mates were that we were going to rock people's socks off. From the start, I had some very good team mates. We had worked very well together the last game, and knew that together, we'd be a formidable team. Jimmy and Mamori are great people to have on your team, no matter which team you're on.
Within minutes of the PMs going out, Cupid contacted me. This was her first game and she wasn't sure how to play. At first, I was gonna have her put TomTom and Chaotix together, just as a joke to TomTom. Then I figured that this was the perfect chance to get another person on our team. So, I got her to pair up Jimmy with a lover, but she wasn't sure who to pair him up with. I chose Jimmy because people have a tendency to go after Mamori in the games. If Mamori was gone, then we'd lose half our team. And I figured that after the last game, the vamps would eat me first. Again, same situation. Jimmy was the safest person.
I had to really consider who to pair him up with at first, then realized that Cupid herself would be the best lover for him. She was new to the game, and so didn't know enough yet to be suspicious by trying not to be suspicious. As soon as I got the confirmation PM from Jimmy telling me he was paired up with NakedDoor, we pulled her into a conferance andtold her what she needed to know.
Jimmy and I made a very important choice when we got him paired up, not to reveal everything to the lover. The less she knew, the less suspicious she'd wind up making herself. This strategy was a smart one, I think, and had a lot to do with our lovers surviving til the very end of the game.
Meanwhile, Maxie YM'd me estatic over her new role. She was the inquisitor. She couldn't wait to role play this out, and had even hinted heavily at it in her first rp post. She kept hinting at me that if I was a vamp, she wanted to be converted, cause then she'd play the role of a vampire. Not sure if she'd play the role of a vampire inquisitor or not. So either way, she was a liability to our team. After discussion it with everyone else, we made the difficult decision to eat her.
Later, when people were trying to figure out what her role was (from her RP post) we tried to throw them off into other directions, or at least make it seem like we had no frickin clue.
From even before the game started, I had a feeling I'd be exiting stage right pretty fast. Whether I was a vamp or not, one person would be championing for me to die, just because of old grudges from the last game. I wasn't far off that mark, she just got lucky in that I actually was a vamp. Also figured the other vamps would kill me right off. So, I made the choice to go ahead and convert somebody. This is where WJ came into play at.
As we were going through our list of who to convert, there were some that just weren't an option at all for us, but we had quite a few prospects too. I had talked to Nuke earlier, and he was a bit distant with me. So, he was out, but we put him on our "eat fast" list. Then there was maxie, who was out for the reasons I stated earlier. Truffle was an option, but she didn't seem too interested in the game this time around.
We knew that if WJ even suspected that any of us were vamps, we'd have no chance at all. We also knew though, that with WJ on our team, no way we could lose. I'm the one that is constantly changing my mind, coming up with odd weird schemes and plans. Some work, some don't. A lot more worked for us this game than last. lol But, I knew from experience that WJ was a grounding force for my flightiness. Where I am usually all over the map, he sticks to one spot. We also knew that should we need a formidle person to argue with, or against, it'd be him. His words have an impact on people, so having him with us was just an obvious plus. That night, we ate Maxie, and converted WJ. (That almost sounds like it belongs on the bordello! :shock: )
Within minutes of the conversion, I got "Damn Joo!!! I was the seer and I sensed you last night!!!" WJ and I laughed about this for a while. It was ironic, and it was funny. We knew each other well enough from the last game to know that we were threats to each other if we were on opposite teams.
Later, it came back to me that Maxie had told others I was the one she was planning on inquisinating. I don't think that she was trying to give anything away really, just that she had wanted to play her role, and I was the one she was gonna play it with. But it did let me know that as difficult as the choice was, we made the right one.
My own curiosity got the best of me. I had to know if theother team had converted. I was going nuts over here thinking that one of my guys had been converted away from me. (Even though we already had a plan for if that happened. :twisted: Remember kiddies, when it comes to me, always expect the unexpected.) So, I posted to the forums that if any role was indeed safe, it wold be that of the mystic. After all, he had info that both teams wanted, etc etc etc. Soon the mystic contacted me. At first, I posted the results of what he told me, then realized, I didn't want the other team to know yet that I converted. I quickly pulled it, 'for his safety.'
It was also on this day that I figured out that TomTom was the witch doctor. When TomTom fessed up, I kept my word and kept quite. Well, except for telling my guys about it. lol It was important that a facade of trust could be built between myself, and the other humans. So, as I figured out each new role, or someone told me their roles, I didn't tell anyone except for my clan. They believed they were safe with me.
This was driven home when both TomTom and Zed asked about each other's roles and I told them that just as they don't want me to reveal their roles, I can't reveal the other person's. They'd have to talk to the other person.
Meanwhile, at the same time, I was talking to another human who really was knowingly helping our clan. Not that he was too much of a help really. Unfortunately. He'd later get mad because I told other people he was a human, the safest role in the game, and spill all that he knew and all that he suspected. The one thing that kept him from being taken seriously? He stated that the assassin was a vamp. It did help lend credence to me being a vamp though, but we'll get back to that later.
It wasn't long before Zed was telling us that Roxatha was the guardian. Soon, we were talking together. WJ had revealed that he was the 'seer' which was a lot of work to keep up with for sure! We had to quickly figure out a person's role, and that they were for sure human, and let him say he "sensed" that person. It was risky, but it worked. We did notice though that Roxatha kept putting our vamps into lock up. This would only lead to everyone getting locked up being suspected. While it lent credibility to those locked up at least temporarily, it would have left a trail. It was decided she would be put on our "eat fast" list as well.
By this time, we knew what one other person was currently doing. (Seriously having trouble remembering who was eaten in what order. lol sorry) We decided to keep an eye on him as he wasn't yet getting any kind of info that was helpful to him or harmful to us. But then, he did. he managed to trick one of our dead into giving info that they shouldn't have given. And he wanted me to do this with someone else. I was livid. When I told the other person what he wanted me to do, she was livid as well. But we knew, that nothing could be said on the forums about it, cause that would lead the humans straight to my doorstep.
By this time, Truffle and I had figured each other out. Together, we were picking off the main roles a bit at a time. Knowing Roxatha was the guardian, and suspecting highly that Nuke was the jack, we both took them out in one night. We knew, by now, that the humans must have realized that both of them had very big roles, and that they'd feel a huge loss. We shook them up, and it worked.
Xade's ranting lunacy was put out of commission the same night I accidentaly took out their master vamp. Even if he was a raving lunatic which we projected him to be, he was dead on. he simply had to go. Each of our meals had a purpose, except for poor Song. We ate her just cause of how quiet she was.
The humans were quickly dwindling, and having no successes. They were getting discouraged, and even more determined to get a vamp. They were even more careful to pay attention to who said what in the game. And they were starting to band together. That had to be stopped. So, as soon as they said Mamori's name, I hopped on it. I'm positive we could have pullled Mamori from the fire, but he did more for our cause dead. The ploy worked. Now suddenly, those that said mamori wasn't a vamp were suspects. The humans were joyous at having gotten a vamp, and were against suspicious of each other.
That night, we'd finally take out Zed. He told people it was because of his role, but it wasn't. Later, he said it was cause of hat he knew, but it wasn't. He knows why we ate him. Before eating him though, we made sure he served a purpose. And he served it well. My head had already been int he noose a couple of times. He championed my cause, telling others he was postivie I wasn't a vamp. We had tried a couple of times to have him lynched, or at least have some serious doubts placed in people's minds about him. Again, it wasn't cause of the role he had, or what he knew. He knows why. And yeah, after he died, I was seething that he was telling people he ws killed for his role. I so badly wanted to stand up and say "No, you were killed because......" but I knew I couldn't do that.
Truffle and Cynyth took out Zed. I honestly don't remember who we ate that night. But poor Cynyth's head was being placed in the noose again, so it was time to tell Cynyth the truth so that we could work together to keep him from being lynched. I was talking to Benjyn at this time, and kept asking why he thought Cynyth was a vamp. He couldn't give me any real answer, so my constantly asking was placing doubts in his own mind. We ate Benjyn, and at the nextlynching, it was another human's head in the noose.
by now, we know that I'm about to be dead. Truffle was willing to sacrifice me, to make TomTom waste his potion, and keep me in the game. But TomTom, man he just wasn't buying it. So now, we were going to lose two people. I had the idea tomake those two deaths really count for something. We knew that Kareena was the assassin, and that if she died, she'd take me with her. So, I figured, I'd eat Kareena, she'd take me out. TomTom would then take out Truffle, knowing he couldn't get to me. We'd get him to 'waste' a poison, and his healing. So, She ate TomTom, and I attempted to eat Kareena.
I knew that I was going to die, as Truffle knew as well. We sent last minute instructions to our respective team mates. We knw that even after our deaths, it would take just one more successful night of eating andone more human being lynched for our guys to have control of the game. There was one problem though.
Zed was telling the truth earlier when he said that Butters was the angel. He wasn't trying to trick us. Well, damn. Kareena lived. But the plan still worked like a charm. Now, it would take just one successful night of eating, since they wasted a lynch on Truffle.
So, I sat back and watched in anticipation. Truffle was lynched. And that night, I sat on pins and needles waiting to see who had gotten eaten. I had told the guys who the other vamp was, but one didn't remember me telling him, and the other lost the pm! So, they weren't working together again at this point. They both went after Butters. I laughed so hard when I found out what had happened!
Meanwhile, the night is progressing and the eat votes aren't in yet. I get a YM from someone else, pumping me for information. I gave him information. Just not correct information.
The next day, when we saw who was eaten and that only one meal order was placed, I knew we had to get this lynching as a human. I only hoped my ploy had worked. It did. I suspect that Wistomaniac had left the game entirely, even Gothador, after the holidays. Things get busy, such is life. He used to post quite a bit over in suggestions, and suddenly, he wasn't posting anywhere at all anymore. So when Kareena said she saw him online, I knew my plan worked. Wistomaniac was lynched, and the humans didn't even realize yet that they had just lost the game.
Only one thing would have put the humans back on the table for a win. And that's if either team went for Kareena, and she took out the lovers. the only problem with this was that both teams knew in advance, from before Truffle and I died, not to touch Kareena. She made it very clear from her very first post in rp that she was the assassin. She was the wild card we were to avoid. Apparently, our guys found each other again, cause they took out two more humans, and not the wildcard. I don't rmemeber who it was that they took out that time.
What happened next was just pure funny to watch. I really wish I could have been a fly on the walls of the remaining humans as it dawned on them what had happened, and that they had just lost! Kareena put WJ's name up for lynching. And WJ, he put up Falconer's name. There were eight people left. The humans were hoping on two things.
They figured the left over vamps from the one team would vote to lynch WJ as well. This line of theory makes sense, after all, we were all after each other, right? They were also hoping that neither team had a lover. What they weren't counting on, was not only did we have a lover, she was the mayor. She was the tie breaker vote! Earlier, we had eaten Chaotix figuring the odds were on our side that one of us would be chosen as his replacement. I was so glad to see we were right, and that our playing the odds worked in our favor.
This was an amazing thing to watch, as the humans suddenly realized that not only were they outvoted, the vamps were working together, and that they had the tie breaker vote. Suddenly, all the humans switched their votes. It was a long shot, but they were hoping they could trick one of the vamps into voting to lynch Kareena as well. Good strategy, but a little late in the game for it. The vamps didn't fall for it. Then a post was put up in rp by Kareena stating that at least she hadn't revealed everything. I think she was trying to say that she had a secret plan or a secret weapon. She was still trying to get one of the vamps to vote also to lynch her. She wanted to appear to be a danger to them.
In three days time, Falconer was lynched. The vamps had already been celebrating just as soon as they saw how many people were left. 8. We had already discussed ahead of time, that as soon as we had it down to a tie vote, if they came against one of our guys, we'd deadlock the vote. It worked.
That night, Dark and Adoration were eaten. By now, it's just going through the motions. See, by this point, the humans had no chance. Even if one of our guys ate the assassin and she killed the lovers, that'd still leave them with only one human, against two vamps. One on each team. Cynyth, he had the chance all the way up til the end of the game to win it all. All he had to do was to eat a lover. Then it'd be tied 1,1,1. He'd side with the last human to get rid of WJ, then eat the human that night. We knew it was risky when we went into this pact. He stayed true to his word though.
And when it was time to rise up against the rest of the village, well, we didn't rise against Cynyth. Yeah, technically, he still loses the game itself. But, as Truffle said, this wasn't about which vamp team won or lost. This had become about the vamps against the humans. Using every legal advantage that we could since some of them had been using every illegal advantage that they could.
All in all, it was a good game, and it was challenging. I love a good challenging game. We used every advantage the humans had to our advantage instead. The humans should have expected us to do that.
I personally don't understand why the humans kept giving out information detrimental to their game. For example, Maxie openly role playing the inquisitor as she was, and Kareena doing the same as the assassin. Also, don't quite understand why the humans took so long to band together. They all seemed to be set up in little cliques, which were easily used against each other. And it stayed that way up until the very end of the game.
There was a definate decline in the amount of rp being posted this game, which I think just goes to show the lack of team work going on. I had tried several times to initiate contact with the humans, and although they felt that I was a human as well, they still didn't want to work together. The human I had in the game wasn't approached one single time. ND, who was human as well, wasn't appraoched much either. She tried approaching others also. All in all, we noticed a lack of teamwork going on and we used that to our full advantage.
Anyway, what was some of the strategies that you guys used? Ones that worked, and ones that didn't work? What were some of your more major goof ups? I made a serious goof up with Zed one day. Both of my computers were acting up, and I was busy trying to fix them both. And, at the same time, I was talking to Zeddicus. He said something, I don't remember what it was, and I made reference to the 'other team.' he caught onto this, and immediately asked me "what do you mean, the 'other team?'" Oysh. I quickly covered it by telling him that as far as I was concerned, there were two teams. Ours, the humans, against the vamps. That I had forgotten briefly that they were set up into two different teams. The cover worked. Whew. What were some of your guys' goof ups?
Dracul got extremely lucky from the very start of the came. I knew as soon as I opened that first PM telling me who my team mates were that we were going to rock people's socks off. From the start, I had some very good team mates. We had worked very well together the last game, and knew that together, we'd be a formidable team. Jimmy and Mamori are great people to have on your team, no matter which team you're on.
Within minutes of the PMs going out, Cupid contacted me. This was her first game and she wasn't sure how to play. At first, I was gonna have her put TomTom and Chaotix together, just as a joke to TomTom. Then I figured that this was the perfect chance to get another person on our team. So, I got her to pair up Jimmy with a lover, but she wasn't sure who to pair him up with. I chose Jimmy because people have a tendency to go after Mamori in the games. If Mamori was gone, then we'd lose half our team. And I figured that after the last game, the vamps would eat me first. Again, same situation. Jimmy was the safest person.
I had to really consider who to pair him up with at first, then realized that Cupid herself would be the best lover for him. She was new to the game, and so didn't know enough yet to be suspicious by trying not to be suspicious. As soon as I got the confirmation PM from Jimmy telling me he was paired up with NakedDoor, we pulled her into a conferance andtold her what she needed to know.
Jimmy and I made a very important choice when we got him paired up, not to reveal everything to the lover. The less she knew, the less suspicious she'd wind up making herself. This strategy was a smart one, I think, and had a lot to do with our lovers surviving til the very end of the game.
Meanwhile, Maxie YM'd me estatic over her new role. She was the inquisitor. She couldn't wait to role play this out, and had even hinted heavily at it in her first rp post. She kept hinting at me that if I was a vamp, she wanted to be converted, cause then she'd play the role of a vampire. Not sure if she'd play the role of a vampire inquisitor or not. So either way, she was a liability to our team. After discussion it with everyone else, we made the difficult decision to eat her.
Later, when people were trying to figure out what her role was (from her RP post) we tried to throw them off into other directions, or at least make it seem like we had no frickin clue.
From even before the game started, I had a feeling I'd be exiting stage right pretty fast. Whether I was a vamp or not, one person would be championing for me to die, just because of old grudges from the last game. I wasn't far off that mark, she just got lucky in that I actually was a vamp. Also figured the other vamps would kill me right off. So, I made the choice to go ahead and convert somebody. This is where WJ came into play at.
As we were going through our list of who to convert, there were some that just weren't an option at all for us, but we had quite a few prospects too. I had talked to Nuke earlier, and he was a bit distant with me. So, he was out, but we put him on our "eat fast" list. Then there was maxie, who was out for the reasons I stated earlier. Truffle was an option, but she didn't seem too interested in the game this time around.
We knew that if WJ even suspected that any of us were vamps, we'd have no chance at all. We also knew though, that with WJ on our team, no way we could lose. I'm the one that is constantly changing my mind, coming up with odd weird schemes and plans. Some work, some don't. A lot more worked for us this game than last. lol But, I knew from experience that WJ was a grounding force for my flightiness. Where I am usually all over the map, he sticks to one spot. We also knew that should we need a formidle person to argue with, or against, it'd be him. His words have an impact on people, so having him with us was just an obvious plus. That night, we ate Maxie, and converted WJ. (That almost sounds like it belongs on the bordello! :shock: )
Within minutes of the conversion, I got "Damn Joo!!! I was the seer and I sensed you last night!!!" WJ and I laughed about this for a while. It was ironic, and it was funny. We knew each other well enough from the last game to know that we were threats to each other if we were on opposite teams.
Later, it came back to me that Maxie had told others I was the one she was planning on inquisinating. I don't think that she was trying to give anything away really, just that she had wanted to play her role, and I was the one she was gonna play it with. But it did let me know that as difficult as the choice was, we made the right one.
My own curiosity got the best of me. I had to know if theother team had converted. I was going nuts over here thinking that one of my guys had been converted away from me. (Even though we already had a plan for if that happened. :twisted: Remember kiddies, when it comes to me, always expect the unexpected.) So, I posted to the forums that if any role was indeed safe, it wold be that of the mystic. After all, he had info that both teams wanted, etc etc etc. Soon the mystic contacted me. At first, I posted the results of what he told me, then realized, I didn't want the other team to know yet that I converted. I quickly pulled it, 'for his safety.'
It was also on this day that I figured out that TomTom was the witch doctor. When TomTom fessed up, I kept my word and kept quite. Well, except for telling my guys about it. lol It was important that a facade of trust could be built between myself, and the other humans. So, as I figured out each new role, or someone told me their roles, I didn't tell anyone except for my clan. They believed they were safe with me.
This was driven home when both TomTom and Zed asked about each other's roles and I told them that just as they don't want me to reveal their roles, I can't reveal the other person's. They'd have to talk to the other person.
Meanwhile, at the same time, I was talking to another human who really was knowingly helping our clan. Not that he was too much of a help really. Unfortunately. He'd later get mad because I told other people he was a human, the safest role in the game, and spill all that he knew and all that he suspected. The one thing that kept him from being taken seriously? He stated that the assassin was a vamp. It did help lend credence to me being a vamp though, but we'll get back to that later.
It wasn't long before Zed was telling us that Roxatha was the guardian. Soon, we were talking together. WJ had revealed that he was the 'seer' which was a lot of work to keep up with for sure! We had to quickly figure out a person's role, and that they were for sure human, and let him say he "sensed" that person. It was risky, but it worked. We did notice though that Roxatha kept putting our vamps into lock up. This would only lead to everyone getting locked up being suspected. While it lent credibility to those locked up at least temporarily, it would have left a trail. It was decided she would be put on our "eat fast" list as well.
By this time, we knew what one other person was currently doing. (Seriously having trouble remembering who was eaten in what order. lol sorry) We decided to keep an eye on him as he wasn't yet getting any kind of info that was helpful to him or harmful to us. But then, he did. he managed to trick one of our dead into giving info that they shouldn't have given. And he wanted me to do this with someone else. I was livid. When I told the other person what he wanted me to do, she was livid as well. But we knew, that nothing could be said on the forums about it, cause that would lead the humans straight to my doorstep.
By this time, Truffle and I had figured each other out. Together, we were picking off the main roles a bit at a time. Knowing Roxatha was the guardian, and suspecting highly that Nuke was the jack, we both took them out in one night. We knew, by now, that the humans must have realized that both of them had very big roles, and that they'd feel a huge loss. We shook them up, and it worked.
Xade's ranting lunacy was put out of commission the same night I accidentaly took out their master vamp. Even if he was a raving lunatic which we projected him to be, he was dead on. he simply had to go. Each of our meals had a purpose, except for poor Song. We ate her just cause of how quiet she was.
The humans were quickly dwindling, and having no successes. They were getting discouraged, and even more determined to get a vamp. They were even more careful to pay attention to who said what in the game. And they were starting to band together. That had to be stopped. So, as soon as they said Mamori's name, I hopped on it. I'm positive we could have pullled Mamori from the fire, but he did more for our cause dead. The ploy worked. Now suddenly, those that said mamori wasn't a vamp were suspects. The humans were joyous at having gotten a vamp, and were against suspicious of each other.
That night, we'd finally take out Zed. He told people it was because of his role, but it wasn't. Later, he said it was cause of hat he knew, but it wasn't. He knows why we ate him. Before eating him though, we made sure he served a purpose. And he served it well. My head had already been int he noose a couple of times. He championed my cause, telling others he was postivie I wasn't a vamp. We had tried a couple of times to have him lynched, or at least have some serious doubts placed in people's minds about him. Again, it wasn't cause of the role he had, or what he knew. He knows why. And yeah, after he died, I was seething that he was telling people he ws killed for his role. I so badly wanted to stand up and say "No, you were killed because......" but I knew I couldn't do that.
Truffle and Cynyth took out Zed. I honestly don't remember who we ate that night. But poor Cynyth's head was being placed in the noose again, so it was time to tell Cynyth the truth so that we could work together to keep him from being lynched. I was talking to Benjyn at this time, and kept asking why he thought Cynyth was a vamp. He couldn't give me any real answer, so my constantly asking was placing doubts in his own mind. We ate Benjyn, and at the nextlynching, it was another human's head in the noose.
by now, we know that I'm about to be dead. Truffle was willing to sacrifice me, to make TomTom waste his potion, and keep me in the game. But TomTom, man he just wasn't buying it. So now, we were going to lose two people. I had the idea tomake those two deaths really count for something. We knew that Kareena was the assassin, and that if she died, she'd take me with her. So, I figured, I'd eat Kareena, she'd take me out. TomTom would then take out Truffle, knowing he couldn't get to me. We'd get him to 'waste' a poison, and his healing. So, She ate TomTom, and I attempted to eat Kareena.
I knew that I was going to die, as Truffle knew as well. We sent last minute instructions to our respective team mates. We knw that even after our deaths, it would take just one more successful night of eating andone more human being lynched for our guys to have control of the game. There was one problem though.
Zed was telling the truth earlier when he said that Butters was the angel. He wasn't trying to trick us. Well, damn. Kareena lived. But the plan still worked like a charm. Now, it would take just one successful night of eating, since they wasted a lynch on Truffle.
So, I sat back and watched in anticipation. Truffle was lynched. And that night, I sat on pins and needles waiting to see who had gotten eaten. I had told the guys who the other vamp was, but one didn't remember me telling him, and the other lost the pm! So, they weren't working together again at this point. They both went after Butters. I laughed so hard when I found out what had happened!
Meanwhile, the night is progressing and the eat votes aren't in yet. I get a YM from someone else, pumping me for information. I gave him information. Just not correct information.
The next day, when we saw who was eaten and that only one meal order was placed, I knew we had to get this lynching as a human. I only hoped my ploy had worked. It did. I suspect that Wistomaniac had left the game entirely, even Gothador, after the holidays. Things get busy, such is life. He used to post quite a bit over in suggestions, and suddenly, he wasn't posting anywhere at all anymore. So when Kareena said she saw him online, I knew my plan worked. Wistomaniac was lynched, and the humans didn't even realize yet that they had just lost the game.
Only one thing would have put the humans back on the table for a win. And that's if either team went for Kareena, and she took out the lovers. the only problem with this was that both teams knew in advance, from before Truffle and I died, not to touch Kareena. She made it very clear from her very first post in rp that she was the assassin. She was the wild card we were to avoid. Apparently, our guys found each other again, cause they took out two more humans, and not the wildcard. I don't rmemeber who it was that they took out that time.
What happened next was just pure funny to watch. I really wish I could have been a fly on the walls of the remaining humans as it dawned on them what had happened, and that they had just lost! Kareena put WJ's name up for lynching. And WJ, he put up Falconer's name. There were eight people left. The humans were hoping on two things.
They figured the left over vamps from the one team would vote to lynch WJ as well. This line of theory makes sense, after all, we were all after each other, right? They were also hoping that neither team had a lover. What they weren't counting on, was not only did we have a lover, she was the mayor. She was the tie breaker vote! Earlier, we had eaten Chaotix figuring the odds were on our side that one of us would be chosen as his replacement. I was so glad to see we were right, and that our playing the odds worked in our favor.
This was an amazing thing to watch, as the humans suddenly realized that not only were they outvoted, the vamps were working together, and that they had the tie breaker vote. Suddenly, all the humans switched their votes. It was a long shot, but they were hoping they could trick one of the vamps into voting to lynch Kareena as well. Good strategy, but a little late in the game for it. The vamps didn't fall for it. Then a post was put up in rp by Kareena stating that at least she hadn't revealed everything. I think she was trying to say that she had a secret plan or a secret weapon. She was still trying to get one of the vamps to vote also to lynch her. She wanted to appear to be a danger to them.
In three days time, Falconer was lynched. The vamps had already been celebrating just as soon as they saw how many people were left. 8. We had already discussed ahead of time, that as soon as we had it down to a tie vote, if they came against one of our guys, we'd deadlock the vote. It worked.
That night, Dark and Adoration were eaten. By now, it's just going through the motions. See, by this point, the humans had no chance. Even if one of our guys ate the assassin and she killed the lovers, that'd still leave them with only one human, against two vamps. One on each team. Cynyth, he had the chance all the way up til the end of the game to win it all. All he had to do was to eat a lover. Then it'd be tied 1,1,1. He'd side with the last human to get rid of WJ, then eat the human that night. We knew it was risky when we went into this pact. He stayed true to his word though.
And when it was time to rise up against the rest of the village, well, we didn't rise against Cynyth. Yeah, technically, he still loses the game itself. But, as Truffle said, this wasn't about which vamp team won or lost. This had become about the vamps against the humans. Using every legal advantage that we could since some of them had been using every illegal advantage that they could.
All in all, it was a good game, and it was challenging. I love a good challenging game. We used every advantage the humans had to our advantage instead. The humans should have expected us to do that.
I personally don't understand why the humans kept giving out information detrimental to their game. For example, Maxie openly role playing the inquisitor as she was, and Kareena doing the same as the assassin. Also, don't quite understand why the humans took so long to band together. They all seemed to be set up in little cliques, which were easily used against each other. And it stayed that way up until the very end of the game.
There was a definate decline in the amount of rp being posted this game, which I think just goes to show the lack of team work going on. I had tried several times to initiate contact with the humans, and although they felt that I was a human as well, they still didn't want to work together. The human I had in the game wasn't approached one single time. ND, who was human as well, wasn't appraoched much either. She tried approaching others also. All in all, we noticed a lack of teamwork going on and we used that to our full advantage.
Anyway, what was some of the strategies that you guys used? Ones that worked, and ones that didn't work? What were some of your more major goof ups? I made a serious goof up with Zed one day. Both of my computers were acting up, and I was busy trying to fix them both. And, at the same time, I was talking to Zeddicus. He said something, I don't remember what it was, and I made reference to the 'other team.' he caught onto this, and immediately asked me "what do you mean, the 'other team?'" Oysh. I quickly covered it by telling him that as far as I was concerned, there were two teams. Ours, the humans, against the vamps. That I had forgotten briefly that they were set up into two different teams. The cover worked. Whew. What were some of your guys' goof ups?
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 17:51
Meanwhile, Maxie YM'd me estatic over her new role. She was the inquisitor. She couldn't wait to role play this out, and had even hinted heavily at it in her first rp post. She kept hinting at me that if I was a vamp, she wanted to be converted, cause then she'd play the role of a vampire. Not sure if she'd play the role of a vampire inquisitor or not. So either way, she was a liability to our team. After discussion it with everyone else, we made the difficult decision to eat her.
Meh, evil person
Later, it came back to me that Maxie had told others I was the one she was planning on inquisinating. I don't think that she was trying to give anything away really, just that she had wanted to play her role, and I was the one she was gonna play it with. But it did let me know that as difficult as the choice was, we made the right one.
Yup, gut instinct told me you were a vamp
I was banking on you figuring out the open roleplay as the ploy it was to get trust from the humans :\ Either I'd get converted and be able to get human trust by my open rp or I'd expose a vamp right at the start Well, that was the plan.I personally don't understand why the humans kept giving out information detrimental to their game. For example, Maxie openly role playing the inquisitor as she was, and Kareena doing the same as the assassin. Also, don't quite understand why the humans took so long to band together. They all seemed to be set up in little cliques, which were easily used against each other. And it stayed that way up until the very end of the game.
I wanted to enjoy the game and with a role like that, the most fun way for me was to rp it
It spoilt my fun a lot being killed the first night though 
As I told you before I got killed, I was really looking forward to that first day that I could use my power So far in this game, the aspect I've enjoyed most is the rp aspect. Even in the first game and working with someone, nothing beats the fun of open rping a vamp in the second game 
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 18:12
wanted to enjoy the game and with a role like that, the most fun way for me was to rp it Smile It spoilt my fun a lot being killed the first night though Sad As I told you before I got killed, I was really looking forward to that first day that I could use my power Smile So far in this game, the aspect I've enjoyed most is the rp aspect. Even in the first game and working with someone, nothing beats the fun of open rping a vamp in the second game Very Happy Very Happy
Yeah, but you was gonna use it on me!
Big meanie. Although, I was thiking of openly role playing a vamp the next game, even if I'm a human. Talk about confusion. rofl Of course, I'd die right away if I did that. But it would be funny to watch.
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 18:16
wanted to enjoy the game and with a role like that, the most fun way for me was to rp it Smile It spoilt my fun a lot being killed the first night though Sad As I told you before I got killed, I was really looking forward to that first day that I could use my power Smile So far in this game, the aspect I've enjoyed most is the rp aspect. Even in the first game and working with someone, nothing beats the fun of open rping a vamp in the second game Very Happy Very Happy
Yeah, but you was gonna use it on me!
Although, I was thiking of openly role playing a vamp the next game, even if I'm a human. Talk about confusion. rofl Of course, I'd die right away if I did that. But it would be funny to watch.
That would be fun. I'd enjoy RPing a human with vampiric tendencies...or a delusional human
I'll be playing next game, and I'll see what I can slip in 
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 18:20
Oooo..... A human with vampryic tendencies... I like it! We could form a "human with vampyric tendencies" gang. We'll call it HWVT. Then, we could eat up all the vamps too at night..
OOooo.... that just gave me an idea for another role!
OOooo.... that just gave me an idea for another role!
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 18:28
The humans with vampyric tendencies could believe that they are actually vampires and the actual vampires are humans with vampyric tendencies.
Ooh ooh, we could form a support group called Bloodsuckers Anonymous
Ooh ooh, we could form a support group called Bloodsuckers Anonymous
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 18:30
Ya know, given the possibility of creating so much confusion and keeping the vamps off balance, maybe we shouldn't be talking about this in the open for all to see? It could be a sueful strategy later.
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 18:34
Ya know, given the possibility of creating so much confusion and keeping the vamps off balance, maybe we shouldn't be talking about this in the open for all to see? It could be a sueful strategy later.
*shushes*
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 19:39
Cynyth, he had the chance all the way up til the end of the game to win it all. All he had to do was to eat a lover. Then it'd be tied 1,1,1. He'd side with the last human to get rid of WJ, then eat the human that night. We knew it was risky when we went into this pact. He stayed true to his word though.
Not sure what I could have offered to get whoever was left to side with me to win. I figure what would have happened was that NakedDoor would have named your guy mayor, the human would have stayed out of it, and I would have been lynched after three days.
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 20:53
Hey, we need a GM. Not for this game, but for the next one so that Seph can have a break, and participate in a game also. Any volunteers?
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 22:04
Hey, we need a GM. Not for this game, but for the next one so that Seph can have a break, and participate in a game also. Any volunteers?
i would be willing to do it if he could set it up for me with the roles(not choosing who gets what) and stuff
after the rematch of course
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