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[Egami]

Oddly enough, I actually believe most of the posts thus far are actually on topic. Funny how composing rolls that way in my opinion, lmao.

 

As for this event requiring stam, I'll re-refer to the "per se" in my post #5. Like most things in FS, it's a decision process. Nobody has to do anything. Everything, of course, requires stam... be it yours or that of somebody else. It is actually quite simple to take advantage of this event without spending "additional stam". Personally, I worked hard to increase my frag buffer to take advantage of this event. 

 

As for traveling composers, I never understood the angst towards them. I use them myself. Their surgence was, as stated by admins, "unexpected" but is condoned and I love it. Personally, I appreciate their service and feel that most critiques are due to jealousy and a complete lack of understanding. 

 

Now, I feel that composing in general is understood by few. I myself believe that it is a great game aspect. It costs an extreme amount of gold and that is great for the game, in my opinion. I think it's difficult for the cows to instigate a gold sink that can be accepted by all. 

 

All that said, I don't want to go "off-topic" in response to some other comments. Should composing go above level 60? Personally, I think so. Probably the whole "over-powered" ideology should go to another post. And "challenging"? I just chuckle... same deal. 

[yotwehc]

I'm ok with just adding 1 more level and make it require the same amount of composing xp it took to get to 60. Make it really hard for very minimal reward. And watch me waste my gold and put frag sellers back in business. I simply want to join the reindeer games. So going to level 61 will require the same amount of frags and gold as it takes from going from 1-60. will take literally a year or more to make 1 level me likes.

[Pythia]

I'm happy but poor. lol

 

I made it to level 5 though.

[sweetlou]

I am split between thinking to let the composers be able to compose until their hearts are content against the fact that these composing pots have made this game an ABSOLUTE joke when used in any aspect, PvE and PvP! In the PvE side of the game NOTHING has been done to offset the increased power each player can achieve making gear changes unnecessary for a 1000 levels. In PvP the players that have the capability to use composed pots, especially the long duration ones, are far advantaged over the ones that cannot. It's pathetic how the developers have not taken this into consideration. But it's their game to destruct by not listening to the players...

 

On top of it all, HCS does not have the ability, nor the impetus, to catch the scripters who piggy back on the Helper for nefarious purposes in order to cheat.

[REDBARON2]

Frags are required to Compose. Stam IS required to gain frags. Ergo, stam is required to compose. Pretty simple logic actually.

Well we just had this frag event for the specific purpose of gaining frags to make more pots ergo if you didn't use your stam to get the frags than you didn't take advantage of the opportunity. Pretty simple logic actually.

Edited by REDBARON2, 13 January 2016 - 23:15.

[Plexus37]

Event appreciated, but still feel its pretty redundant in its current form. I can instant complete 1 or 2 batch, then its not worth it. But yes I get 2xp for next few hours, which is better than nothing.

For a sink, maybe freeze instant after 2 instant completes for duration of event? Still not cheap, but for those who want to advance during event, they can at an acceptable cost.

[REDBARON2]

Event appreciated, but still feel its pretty redundant in its current form. I can instant complete 1 or 2 batch, then its not worth it. But yes I get 2xp for next few hours, which is better than nothing.
For a sink, maybe freeze instant after 2 instant completes for duration of event? Still not cheap, but for those who want to advance during event, they can at an acceptable cost.

Well that might be ok for people with tons of gold and tons of frags and that are already st a good composing level but for me and others like me I save all my frags and gold for this event and then I instant finish the heck out of it. I want to hit a level where I can make good pots for my Guild.

[sweetlou]

Well we just had this frag event for the specific purpose of gaining frags to make more pots ergo if you didn't use your stam to get the frags than you didn't take advantage of the opportunity. Pretty simple logic actually.

Not everybody can play the game according to some frag event schedule! Welcome to the game.

[Egami]

For a sink, maybe freeze instant after 2 instant completes for duration of event? Still not cheap, but for those who want to advance during event, they can at an acceptable cost.

Sorry, a "sink" makes no sense if it's cheaper. Evaluate your acceptable cost and work accordingly. 

[REDBARON2]

Not everybody can play the game according to some frag event schedule! Welcome to the game.

Well if you can't do that I understand but don't make it the cows fault.

[sweetlou]

No flamebaiting please.

Edited by BigGrim, 14 January 2016 - 12:08.
No flamebaiting please.

[yotwehc]

Although not ideal, here is a way to compose without Stam.
Watch a few vids. Earn some dots. Convert to gold. Buy junk. Compose. Voila. No Stam

[REDBARON2]

Challenge accepted.
Although not ideal, here is a way to compose without Stam.
Watch a few vids. Earn some dots. Convert to gold. Buy junk. Compose. Voila. No Stam

Thank you! I usually just do that when I am done hunting and I want to compose but I don't have stam. It's not that hard.
Most common frags go for around 2500 to 3000 so if each fsp is worth 200,000 than that gets around 50 common frags (correct me if I'm wrong which I probably am) and each 20 xp pot takes around 7 frags than that's enough to make a lot of cheap pots which is the point of the double composing xp event.

Edited by REDBARON2, 14 January 2016 - 02:35.

[sweetlou]

Challenge accepted.
Although not ideal, here is a way to compose without Stam.
Watch a few vids. Earn some dots. Convert to gold. Buy junk. Compose. Voila. No Stam

Well I admire your attempt to play the game, less the Arena, without using stam. What if you don't get the "vids" in the country you live, say Bhutan? Btw I don't get vids at the moment and I am playing from the U.S.

[EpicPiety]

I am split between thinking to let the composers be able to compose until their hearts are content against the fact that these composing pots have made this game an ABSOLUTE joke when used in any aspect, PvE and PvP! In the PvE side of the game NOTHING has been done to offset the increased power each player can achieve making gear changes unnecessary for a 1000 levels. In PvP the players that have the capability to use composed pots, especially the long duration ones, are far advantaged over the ones that cannot. It's pathetic how the developers have not taken this into consideration. But it's their game to destruct by not listening to the players...

 

On top of it all, HCS does not have the ability, nor the impetus, to catch the scripters who piggy back on the Helper for nefarious purposes in order to cheat.

Sometimes i wonder why HCS doesn't just hire you already ...You seem to know a lot about what happens as a matter of fact . For the people that did script composing they are already past the point of being caught anyway. Regardless of how they did it.

Edited by EpicPiety, 14 January 2016 - 03:11.

[yotwehc]

Well I admire your attempt to play the game, less the Arena, without using stam. What if you don't get the "vids" in the country you live, say Bhutan? Btw I don't get vids at the moment and I am playing from the U.S.

You asked how to compose without stam and I gave you an example. So because 99% of the gaming population can do it and 1% can't means your conclusion is indeed correct. Because a small minority of the gaming population cannot get free fsp, therefore stam MUST be used to compose. lol. nice logic

[RebornJedi]

Am I the only player who still thinks its weird that item fragments are used for powerful buffs?

[Egami]

Above and beyond "vids", any of the free shard offers would work. Grant it, some of those offers are not available in some countries. This is true. More to the point, the current lack of vids (compared to normal) has to do with the advertising schedule. 

 

A bit off topic, but I really wish people would keep in mind that HCS does not control "advertising" in the shard sense. Shards are a monetary base that HCS "profits" from by receiving a portion of the benefits from advertisers that are willing to pay. That "will to pay" is a monetary aspect that advertisers decide, not HCS. 

 

Just FYI, I've worked in advertising. This does not make me a genius. I'd call out to people to "think". Xmas is over... when would you spend a lot of money to advertise your product? Now? 

 

If you are in a country that doesn't have as many shard offers as others (and I am), I empathize with you to a degree. However, I think it's silly to think it is somehow "unfair". HCS gets some portion of the revenue from these ads and players that do them see them as beneficial. Nothing about them are "free". It requires your time. What is more is that it is a source of revenue for HCS that helps support work they do on FS. So the flip-side argument is that you shouldn't be "against" something that supports the financial base for the game you play simply because you have no access to a portion of the profits. 

 

The above logic, which I personally consider to be erroneous, would also lead us to believe that those donate real money to the game have an "unfair advantage". I often fail to see how people paying for my free game use could be disadvantageous. Personally, I'd love to see more of this "unfair advantage".  

 

So apologies for the aside but I will reiterate: It is my belief that composing is great for the game economy and, from my observation of the MP, this double XP composing event is having a great benefit for all players based on gold sink... even if it may be short-lived. That has zero to do with where you live.

 

Again, I said back at post #5 that this event does NOT require stam per se. The fact is that players came out of the box to prove that fact. One person suggested watching vids to earn shards. I'd go even more extreme to just suggest using your gold gain per hour to do it. Sound ridiculous? 

 

Maybe, but it is possible. Regardless, the proof was given. We'll see if somebody can step up and admit they're wrong. 

 

Originally the point of my "per se comment" was that this event, like all others, requires nothing. You can take advantage or not take advantage. Nobody is forcing you. 

 

I think it's good for the game for a couple of reasons: It reinforces the ideology to log in more often so as not to miss this if you want to take advantage (flash sales seems to be the same ideology). However short-term it may be, it increases gold sink (being debatable if it increases the player base willing to sink said gold and thus being better longer-term). 

 

EDIT: a couple grammar fixes, thought there are probably more, lol. 

Edited by Egami, 14 January 2016 - 04:16.

[sweetlou]

No flame baiting please.

You asked how to compose without stam and I gave you an example. So because 99% of the gaming population can do it and 1% can't means your conclusion is indeed correct. Because a small minority of the gaming population cannot get free fsp, therefore stam MUST be used to compose. lol. nice logic

Don't forget to take breaths when you post.

Edited by BigGrim, 14 January 2016 - 12:12.
No flame baiting please.

[yotwehc]

Don't forget to take breaths when you post.

lol. I accept your apology.