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[Wesleysdf]

Just a little correction about min level
Min level 1, max level 100 and it would be a great idea

I know it can be hard sometimes for the low guys to find those buffs

[yotwehc]

I think it's not that great of an idea. Most social games, I prefer to go it alone and make fake friends just so I have enough friends to qualify for various aspects. FS "forced" me to be social and ask for buffs and such. It worked out so much better. As most agree. The community is the strength of this game and the welcoming committee is also on standby ready to help the lower levels

[Savanc]

The issue here is the availability of high-level guild buffers. They aren't always online or have a different timezone than their guild members. I'd be glad if a guild buffer is online so I won't have to spend time to look for other buffers outside the guild and spend gold that I would otherwise use in upgrades. So your concern regarding the 'social' aspect of the game isn't really an issue.

Right now I'm sitting here trying to look for online buffers again because no high-level guild buffers are online. It's irritating that I have to search for more than 30 minutes just to get those basic buffs.

I don't know what you call high level, but there are always plenty of players online that sell level 175 buffs for a reasonable price. You can find them by using the Find Player option and use 500 as the minimum level (because level 500+ players can cast level 175 buffs).
Even level 1200+ and 1400+ players are nearly always online and often sell their buffs.



Apart from that, I think this new potion is a nice idea.
I agree with the maximum level so that this potion won't ruin it for buff sellers (that mostly sell their buffs to players above level 100) while at the same time keeps it a great potion for lower level players.

The only thing I disagree about is the price. It's too high.
Many level 1-100 players don't have 45k gold to spend on 4 buffs and will settle for level 140-150 buffs that they can get from guildies or buy for a total of 5k from various buffers. If the price would drop to around 10k-20k then it would be better in my opinion. :wink:

Or perhaps keep this potion at 45k and make another potion for 15k that has level 160 buffs in it. That way decent level buffs still become available for those with less gold. 8)

[BigGrim]

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Novice Explorer's Brew
Potion - Unique
Bound (Non-Tradable)
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Activates the following buff(s):

Adept Learner - 175 (30m)
Librarian 175 (30m)
Animal Magnetism 175 (30m)
Conserve 175 (30m)
Doubler 150 (30m)
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Max Level: 100
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Cost: 45,000 g (tentative)
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What do you think?

I'm not sure I see the point? There is already a leveler multi buff potion. It is all the same buffs, barring Conserve, at buff level 100 (except Doubler which is 50). This was designed this way specifically to ensure it did not impair buff sellers. And it's only 1,000 gold or 10 loyalty points. Conserve is there as a 180 for a mere 50 Loyalty.

In the end, this potion clashes with existing potions and takes away from buff sellers, neither of which is a positive step.

[Mister Doom]

I already laid out the reasons why low-level players need this.

I'm sorry but this is complete garbage. Low level players may feel entitled to buffs they haven't actually earned themselves, this doesn't in ANY way mean that they need them. An idea such as this not only reduces the existing starters potions to 'next to useless', takes away from the people who play the game to merchant out the skills that they have 'earned' but ALSO reduces the need for guilds to help each other out by levelling up to provide each other with stronger and stronger skills.

The current climate of players feeling as though they should have access to everything immediately, what others players have sometimes worked years to achieve is quite simply baffling. What exactly is the point in bothering to have a level based skill tree system.

If I had my way I'd abolish the ability to buff anyone that isn't a member of your own guild. Make players/guilds earn the skills that they choose to use.

[yotwehc]

We have all been there. Things were much worse as you couldn't even search for buffers in the early days. Quite possibly, you may need a new guild when people are online at the sametime. I just spent 6 fsp for my last hunt and I know others including my guild founder paying double digits. When I started out, I would've loved to have these starter pots as I can't recall the number of times I hunted with just my own piddly buffs.
Don't take offense that your opinions aren't granted. The game has been goin for 5 Years and every single opinion is not implemented. At least you are getting dialogue. I'm not sure how many times people just talk right over me. Lol.

[MummRa]

Now I can't help but ask...do I need to be level 1000+ for my opinion to be seriously taken and for people to see the point? Is that the way how it works here?

What level you are does not matter. What matters is your understanding of the game and what is and what is not good for it. Frankly, it's going to take more than a month to really get a grasp for this game.

I am sorry you can't afford the buffs you need though that surprises me I'm sure if you looked hard enough it would not be difficult to find the buffs. Furthermore, I am surprised that your guild members can't be more helpful in that regard.

Besides plenty of players leveled through the early stages of this game with less than level 175 buffs (if any at all)

[BigGrim]

Now I can't help but ask...do I need to be level 1000+ for my opinion to be seriously taken and for people to see the point? Is that the way how it works here?

Not at all. I take everyone's opinion under consideration and all are taken seriously. However, I laid out my reasons that show why I think this is not required. Try to show a little respect instead of having a go because an idea is poo poo'ed, thanks.

[MummRa]

I'm sorry but this is complete garbage. Low level players may feel entitled to buffs they haven't actually earned themselves, this doesn't in ANY way mean that they need them. An idea such as this not only reduces the existing starters potions to 'next to useless', takes away from the people who play the game to merchant out the skills that they have 'earned' but ALSO reduces the need for guilds to help each other out by levelling up to provide each other with stronger and stronger skills.

That's why the proposed pot is priced at 45k compared to the starter pot which is priced at 1k, so it doesn't make them useless. Also as I've said earlier, the market for level 175 buffs doesn't exist or is very small on the player level 1-100 demographic so it doesn't really take anything away from merchants. Also, merchant buff durations are longer compared to the 30-min duration of the potion itself so a player can still make a choice.

....Thick skull?

[kevon218]

Now I can't help but ask...do I need to be level 1000+ for my opinion to be seriously taken and for people to see the point? Is that the way how it works here?

Not at all. I take everyone's opinion under consideration and all are taken seriously. However, I laid out my reasons that show why I think this is not required. Try to show a little respect instead of having a go because an idea is poo poo'ed, thanks.

Well you obviously laid out your reasons without even bothering to read the whole content of my post, hence the little tone of disrespect in my reply. Yeah I mean, what's the point in posting in the first place? But anyway this is your game, so what the heck. I guess you'll have to wait and see 'til it goes poo poo.

Anyway, this game is definitely not for me. This is a 'niche' game and the progression is too slow for my taste.

Signing off.

trust me, he read your post. but this game is based off of getting help from other players and not getting everything handed to you. i know and have seen players that will buff level 150 and below for free with there level 175 buffs. you also have a guild to give you support and buffs. all you need to do is ask.

[yotwehc]

I guess I was wrong. He really did feel entitled. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Too bad.

[Jonah Tebaa]

I don't think your idea is "garbage." I respect you wanting those buffs and so does everyone. We all have been there. YET, we all managed without that pot. If you want the best buffs, you have to pay for them. Now as a new player, you probably will not be able to afford them. This is where I was when i joined the game. HERE comes the role of guilds.

Join a guild, they will invest their stam in you and help you out, then one day, when you level high enough to have those buffs, you can help other new players that join your guild.

Good luck to you and again, the idea is not bad at all, but like grim said, it stops every player in FS from putting points in those buffs.

[Zorann]

I don't think your idea is "garbage." I respect you wanting those buffs and so does everyone. We all have been there. YET, we all managed without that pot. If you want the best buffs, you have to pay for them. Now as a new player, you probably will not be able to afford them. This is where I was when i joined the game. HERE comes the role of guilds.

Join a guild, they will invest their stam in you and help you out, then one day, when you level high enough to have those buffs, you can help other new players that join your guild.

Good luck to you and again, the idea is not bad at all, but like grim said, it stops every player in FS from putting points in those buffs.

As the TS said, he is in a guild but their buffers are not on all the time to give buffs. He also specified a max level of 100 on the potion so as to be usable only by these low levels and to prevent every player from being discouraged in putting points on those buffs.

[MummRa]

I don't think your idea is "garbage." I respect you wanting those buffs and so does everyone. We all have been there. YET, we all managed without that pot. If you want the best buffs, you have to pay for them. Now as a new player, you probably will not be able to afford them. This is where I was when i joined the game. HERE comes the role of guilds.

Join a guild, they will invest their stam in you and help you out, then one day, when you level high enough to have those buffs, you can help other new players that join your guild.

Good luck to you and again, the idea is not bad at all, but like grim said, it stops every player in FS from putting points in those buffs.

As the TS said, he is in a guild but their buffers are not on all the time to give buffs. He also specified a max level of 100 on the potion so as to be usable only by these low levels and to prevent every player from being discouraged in putting points on those buffs.

These points are moot the child already said he was quitting the game because he wasn't getting his way