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[duktayp]

I think (as a guildie said) that there have been so many events (rehashed and new) of late that the amount of players hunting has dropped right down.

 

This (perceived) lack of gold entering the game could just be a "flash in the pan" ...

LOL the case of the missing gold solved

[cucullainn]

1/2 page of gold for sale is becoming quite Common.

The disappointing aspect is that these days paranoid players raise the price of 1 fsp from the 'old days' listings of 75k to 180k base minimum within 5 mins and there it escalates to 220k+

Why do they do this? Because those with FSP have become greedy and will not buy gold unless they get 215k (approx) or more for each fsp, god forbid they can let those dots go for less than 200k

Those who now clamour for gold, those at EOC not burning stam every month are the same people who demanded and championed that gold gain per creature kill be reduced.

Think! before you protest for major game changes in future, you only have yourselves to blame.

Should gold gain per creature kill be increased? Yes is the simple answer, if you wish to keep the economy flowing.

I myself remember FSP being steady for quite a while at 90 gold. And then at 100 gold for the longest time. Then I remember when everybody fault to raise the gold in the market above 100k for Dots. I myself have wondered here about why the market lately has dropped. But then I see it go up a few times and then back down. It's because of the games that we had caves not long ago and then the market crashed. I cannot believe that many people are hunting in the caves that up so I'm not sure but I don't think that's why the market crashed.

I leveled the other day using 13k stam. Making only five levels I can't remember how much gold I made. I don't usually buy gold for. Unless I can sell high, but I did buy Dots with the gold I made. In trying to get rid of the gold fast and not trying to get pushed down on the market. When we have gold we sell high. If I buy Dots at 225k or higher. That's what I feel I must do. But I never have FSP, especially to sell for gold. If I did, I wouldn't sell them for 200k.

epic quests wasnt around when the game started infact they wasnt around for years

No kidding. Really! I remember when they came out. I remember when a lot of buffs came out.

I can tell you that just because they weren't around when I first start. Doesn't mean that I got mad when they were added and the new players got a leg up. I was like right around level 400 to 500 when I started thinking about how unfair I thought it was, when some players wanted to start adding more legs up for New ones.

However after some thought I thought about how it is. And decided to myself that they deserve to be left where they're at. New players can get to between level 100 and 200 decently in a short time. If they're directed properly when they first start playing. It is after that point that many of them quit because they believe they should be assisted to get higher faster. And there's some people who agree with that. I am not one of those. I feel that I have been playing for years and if they want to play then they should be able to level on how they play and if it takes some years like it took me so bit. They should not be given a leg up to try to catch up EOC.

As for the Epic Quest, after they were added. I enjoyed going back and doing them. I know they weren't there when the game first started. Unlike you I know how to look at dates on players bios to see when they started. But that didn't answer my question. I know, I am sure that you went back and did those Quest

[Egami]

*scratches head* 

 

Yay! More gold sink please! 

 

Think a wee bit of brain power can work wonders on how to get gold and it being "valuable" again would be great. 

 

Prosperous smacking everybody! (o0

[Filletminion]

Its still possible to make hundreds of fsp a week and Gold despite no content at Eoc , it requires players to do more than level though and thats what makes this game great all the options it offers.

[rowbeth]

I myself remember FSP being steady for quite a while at 90 gold. And then at 100 gold for the longest time.

 

The long stable time at 100 did have a lot to do with the absolute price cap of 100 in the MP. It eventually lead to there being absolutely no (zero) FSP for sale in the MP, and it was after a bit of that that the cows removed the price cap.

[cucullainn]

The long stable time at 100 did have a lot to do with the absolute price cap of 100 in the MP. It eventually lead to there being absolutely no (zero) FSP for sale in the MP, and it was after a bit of that that the cows removed the price cap.

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Its still possible to make hundreds of fsp a week and Gold despite no content at Eoc , it requires players to do more than level though and thats what makes this game great all the options it offers.

when you played like when i did fsp was plenty full every player in the game could get hundreds of free fsp every week didnt matter what country you was in as its how i made most of my fsp ...i used to make thousands of fsp a week getting fsp for others

I have never been able to make hundreds of Dots a week. Let alone a month. Or even a year, at first. What I would not do to be able to do that. I must truly suck at this game. What am I doing wrong. Please advise.

[duktayp]

I think (as a guildie said) that there have been so many events (rehashed and new) of late that the amount of players hunting has dropped right down.

 

This (perceived) lack of gold entering the game could just be a "flash in the pan" ...

i'm casually watching the MP next few days, testing this theory now all the events have ended

 

 

 

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[Egami]

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I have never been able to make hundreds of Dots a week. Let alone a month. Or even a year, at first. What I would not do to be able to do that. I must truly suck at this game. What am I doing wrong. Please advise.

 

Cucu, find a niche in the game that you like doing and then exploit it. That's my advice.

 

It is NOT simple. It requires tons of time and investment (hmm, that might be redundant). It will NOT last forever and there are sacrifices.

 

You saying you "suck" at this game because of the fact that you haven't had the insight and put forth the effort... Well, it's just silly. 

 

I'm not Bill Gates or Donald Trump or whatever rich person you want to pick in RL. Hardly think that means I "suck" at life.

 

I will definitely say that I don't believe "everyone" can make hundreds of FSP a week. But it is possible for "anyone" to do it. The real "FS question" is whether you really want to. 

 

And how this relates to the OP's topic is that it is "exactly" the same for gold. It's just that the strategies switch a bit.

 

This post has already given me new ideas on doing it... But I definitely don't want to. It would require huge time and effort to efficiently develop the strategy and then implement and bring it bear fruit.

 

i'm casually watching the MP next few days, testing this theory now all the events have ended

 

 

 

(pic unrelated)

 

duky, I'm not sure what you're looking for or what you want to prove or disprove. What is this "theory" you're talking about?

 

Again, I've bought and sold gold for well above 250k throughout the event. 

 

There are gaps and many events tend to drain gold. That's what Pardoux is talking about, I believe.

 

Perhaps gold will begin to flood in again if peeps get back to hunting. 

 

I definitely hope that it doesn't flood back in. 

 

"Need for gold".... if there was a huge "need for gold" then prices in the MP wouldn't be "so high". 

 

The MP does get wiped out. The smart peeps put low prices there and are simply patient. However, it quickly resets above 200k, in a matter of minutes. 

 

Again, I'd hope that the "need for gold" gets huge and that regular MP prices reflect that. I'm not holding my breath, lol.

[duktayp]

duky, I'm not sure what you're looking for or what you want to prove or disprove. What is this "theory" you're talking about?

 

Pardouxs' theory, i take no credit

[Egami]

Pardouxs' theory, i take no credit

 

Yeah, I read Pardoux's post. What I don't get is your read on it, lol.

[duktayp]

OP is lamenting the current lack of gold (offers) in MP lately - months ago multiple pages of 200k++, now 1 page quickly dropping off to 75k

 

Pardoux theorizes it's a result of the constant barrage of gold sink events these past weeks, which can only be tested by an end to these events

 

Edited by duktayp, 18 February 2017 - 04:14.

[BadPenny]

I have always wanted better gold proceeds.  I  always thought gold sinks were a bad idea, and I have asked for years to have the option to make more gold for myself.   

 

There are many needs for gold in the game, and after a point, even questing is more expensive than it's worth.  I had so looked forward to Karthak, for example, but the costs of inventing all those things put it beyond my reach, so like many, I leveled around it.   IDK if I'll ever backtrack to do it.

 

 

Regardless of why or what causes it, we have a gold shortage, especially for higher levels.   Eliminate the gold cap for critters, make a TH potion, something.   I've always loved that FS is kinda self sustaining.  it's slowly starting to become a millstone around my neck instead.

[hades8840]

we do need gold most of you who love the gold sinks dont need gold ..i used 1.5 million gold the other day on one quest i didnt make that amount of gold from that level when you have to spend almost 800k on a item from a shop to do a quest and can fail so isnt a given thats all its gonna cost.. or i want gear forged at a cost of around 2.3 million per item where am i meant to get that gold from i cant gain enough from leveling .. so i am forced to use the marketplace ...all you who buy potions love cheap potions but there cheap because the start up costs for scavenging ie the gold bought from the mp allow the person to lower his costs...i used to spend 1k fsp per week scavenging back when it was actually possible to at least try to get your fsp back..

 

as for earning hundreds of fsp per week yep you can do it if you find a gap in the market which is way harder to do then it was i used to earn all my fsp back when the game started as anyone was allowed to do offers for anyone else the forum had its own section so i used to do the uk offers for ppl who couldnt get them and in exchange they gave me a % of what they got ...i could make a thousand fsp in a week doing that .. now i cant even get a video reward for myself... making fsp when some of us first started was so easy and hence why the price was low to buy them for gold as there was tons around i sold my first lot at 25k gold each ....

 

 

now most of the fsp are from donators who want the best they can get for them and when ppl like me who dont donate manage to get fsp we want the most we can get from them too ...that cost is always passed on like anything in this world i get alot of gold for my fsp and use that scavenging i then inturn can sell my potions cheaper as i have less to recover ..common sense really

Edited by hades8840, 19 February 2017 - 23:04.

[Egami]

So, before anything else: 

 

Don't forget there is an RP pack with TH and Merch 200.

 

I myself have hugely deleveled to make sure I get my max gold. Truth be told, I'm not 100% sure that hitting higher level mobs than your VL actually gets you more gold. I thought so for a long time, but now have my doubts. Regardless, you do get less if you're above. 

 

Regardless of why or what causes it, we have a gold shortage, especially for higher levels.   Eliminate the gold cap for critters, make a TH potion, something.   I've always loved that FS is kinda self sustaining.  it's slowly starting to become a millstone around my neck instead.

 

I continue to disagree that we have a "gold shortage". I would highlight your "for higher levels". Now, step back and think just how easy it is for new players to buy an FSP for over 200k. 

 

Consider your gold needs and think about how to improve that.

 

Enough said? 

 

we do need gold most of you who love the gold sinks dont need gold ..

 

You're conclusion is... hmmm, incorrect. I did Karthak as BP mentioned. Definitely exorbitant costs, but so it goes. I often change my gold play because I am well aware of the gold I need for certain things.

 

I would suggest that your "need" for gold is actually not very high. If it was high, then you would do the things you can easily do in game to get it. 

 

Your examples, such as doing quests, forging items... these are definitely things you need gold for. However, I think, and know from experience that you can get gold. Of course, it's not easy. Only you can evaluate what is worth what.

 

Do you stop using buffs when leveling that reduce your gold intake, for example? Personally, I use sacrifice only twice a year and never use Gold Foot.

 

Guilds having all the structures and high levels, cost gold. Composing pots cost gold... etc. 

 

Again, I'm sorry if it sounds crass, but if your need for gold trumps other game aspects, then concentrate on that or don't do those you can't afford. Peeps need to, in my opinion, think about budget. 

 

I believe, even the highest level guilds in game (no matter what game aspect) should consider what gold-sink structures are most relevant for them and act accordingly depending on what they can afford.

 

I plan out what I need and many times I have to sacrifice some aspects to get gold. That's my decision. Is there an issue now that gold costs for an FSP is often 10% higher than what it was when I started and I would never have been able to build my character the way I did based on current costs?

 

More gold for nothing? Why? 

 

Can you make an argument for this and why it would be good for the game? I just can't see it.

 

now most of the fsp are from donators who want the best they can get for them and when ppl like me who dont donate manage to get fsp we want the most we can get from them too ...that cost is always passed on like anything in this world i get alot of gold for my fsp and use that scavenging i then inturn can sell my potions cheaper as i have less to recover ..common sense really

 

I can't get my head around that part. My best guess is that you somehow think that inflation is good. 

 

Regardless, why is hard for you, as a non-donating player, to get FSP and why would you want to make it more expensive as far as gold costs are concerned?  

 

And more to the point, why are you talking so much about needing FSP when your post is about needing gold? 

 

 

It's kind of a rhetorical question, but I think that's at the base of your argument.

 

Again, I do not see any issues whatsoever with lack of gold. I am openly skeptical that you cannot make gold in game. Of course that is going to be dependent, just like every game aspect, on what your personal priorities are. 

 

Maybe those need an adjustment? I'm not suggesting they do. Only you can determine that. If you need more gold then... ?

[UrcK]

As i read the posts .. no one seems to be addressing the real problem here.. that you do not see any gold increase after level 300 all the way to EOC .. yet the cost to survive and maintain skyrocket ..

 

http://guide.fallens...ype=-1&sort_by=

 

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http://guide.fallens...ype=-1&sort_by=

[cucullainn]

So all these EOC players who are sitting on over 25k worth of stamina or more. Should have Creatures paying out more gold. Instead of actually spending those huge stamina banks, to kill larger numbers of creatures to get the gold. Whereas somebody of my level with the little bit of stamina that I have has to kill as many creatures as I can. To get larger amounts of gold. I mean, I'm sorry that you're waiting around for content. But I don't think that's a reason to pay you two or three times as much as what you're making now. So you can burn through all that stamina that you all are sitting on. To make an exorbitant amount of gold.

Reading many of these threads painfully discouraging :-(

[Pardoux]

As i read the posts .. no one seems to be addressing the real problem here.. that you do not see any gold increase after level 300 all the way to EOC .. yet the cost to survive and maintain skyrocket ..

 

http://guide.fallens...ype=-1&sort_by=

 

vs

 

http://guide.fallens...ype=-1&sort_by=

 

I'm bemused by the "cost to survive and maintain skyrocket" comment ??

 

What exactly are these sky-rocketed costs ?

 

Hell-Forging ? - Not needed 'cos over-powered buffs cover stats easily

 

Quests ? - VERY few these days have any gold component. The VAST majority are still the rinse and repeat "kill x of y" or "go to A, collect B, return to A" boring as [insert suitably boring word here]. There's been talk of a new (or more than one) involved quest line, but it's yet to see the light of day.

 

Guild Donations ? - I can make easy donations from a hunt and still have gold left over to either bank / convert / scavenge / whatever.

 

 

So, please, enlighten me, where are these massive sky-rocketed costs that require more gold to be given out on higher level critters ?

 

Don't get me wrong, I'll happily accept it if it happens, I just don't get the need for it ...

Edited by Pardoux, 25 February 2017 - 02:36.

[rowbeth]

As Urck says, prices/costs (repair, quests, forging, bounty board...) continue to increase with level while gold gain stopped at level 300. This does create a pressure all the way from level 300, not just EOC. I think the reason most people don't notice this is becuase they keep upgrading max stam, and so their hunts become more efficient (more kills and so more gold for the given expenditure on buffs & potions). This creates a kind of balance that I think is workable for most levels, though that will depend on choices of game play style.

 

There is a different problem at EOC, and that is lack of content. Just 25 levels outside of 2XP events since last April means a lot of people are spending all their time sub-levelling, and with very little gold income as a result. For small giulds with EOC players, this does make guild structures a problem. There are solutions to this, some of which already exist in-game:

 

(1) increase the rate of content release (there are already lots of posts on this through the forums, so I hope this thread says no more on this one)

 

(2) put a lower bound on the percentage reduction in gold gain for sublevelling (25%? 50%? some other number?)

 

(3) choose to level slower (I no longer use AL or Lib to hunt, and I avoided the last 2XP event; this was a choice I made because I wanted the gold to keep upgrading my character)

 

(4) choose to delevel from EOC so that you can then hunt properly

 

While I can see an argument for bigger gold-drop/creature at level 1000, I really don't see it as the solution at EOC; but I do see a strong argument for option 2 to address EOC gold income.

Edited by rowbeth, 25 February 2017 - 08:35.

[hades8840]

this has nothing to do with eoc as far as i am concerned i gain most of my gold from the mp and i have seen a big drop in pages and prices since xmas.....i aint quoting anyone as i cant be bothered to be honest

 

I never use anything that hampers my gold intake so never use sacrifice or anything else i would rather just lose the xp as i always have more stam then content anyway..

 

As for quests not needing gold i recently started some omg quest chain so i could go kill a se i have had to go back some 100 lvls or so from the se area to do a dozen plus if not more or does feel like it quests .. there taking 700k for a item to make some jun to i can progress now this is around lvl 1500 takes alot of kills at 300 gold each to get that 700k multply that by a few quests and you find you cant earn enough just doing the lvl to get the gold specially if like me the invent fails and you have to go buy another..

 

more gold goes out of this game then comes in its that simple ...to some of you you will see it doesnt more to be its true as i watch the mp and if there was a bundance of gold the mp would be filled and prices climbing as ppl compete to shift their gold ..

 

it was also said you dont need to forge gear sorry thats untrue you may not need to lvl frankly i never look now long gone the days where you had to adapt lvl by lvl and you had to think to move on..

 

but forging is used in the arena so if you like to do that just cause you may not doesnt mean others wont

 

when i posted this thread i did say it would be unpopular because its like politics a very touchy subject

 

yes i could go farm frags and i do and sell them i could go use the stam i have now and get some gold from sub lvling problem with this

1 it wouldnt even come close to the gold i need

2 it wouldnt be efficient as regards to buffs etc

3 the whole banking of it before you robbed

 

scavenging is a class example when the MP has loads of gold potion prices are cheaper the less gold you need to get a item the cheaper the return price as no one is gonna sell and lose coin if they dont have too..

 

ppl who scavenge also never do it now when events are on because the crap le gear dilutes the stuff you really want sad reality of the caves now

 

months ago i could go to the MP any day and be able to spend a thousand fsp on buying gold quiet easily at reasonable price and then go scavenge and try recoup that 1k back some weeks you could some you couldnt..

 

but just looking it would take me 53 fsp to clear the mp out at a staggering average price of 180k per fsp top price 216k bottom 75k

 

I am glad most of you dont need gold I however do and so do a lot of others give us a potion that does what sacrifice does for xp i would gladly sacrifice xp for gold gain when i needed it...in a ideal dream game be nice to exchange gear for coin via the game itself ie certain amount coin per frag value of item so i could farm and instead of composing get coin for them..

 

i dont know the answer if it was potion based then the individual could decide for themselves if they need gold..

[Egami]

As i read the posts .. no one seems to be addressing the real problem here.. that you do not see any gold increase after level 300 all the way to EOC

 

Indeed Urck. I'd add that a guildie of mine pointed out that there are some levels where you gain less.

 

But don't you remember "why"?

 

Lower levels (I'd even include myself, lol) who are trying to build their character could not afford FSP.

 

I tend to make about 1.2 million gold on around 5 to 6k stam with no doubler used. That's entirely "profit" if I don't use huge pots, which I don't.

 

There was a reason gold was capped and it should definitely not be forgotten.

 

this has nothing to do with eoc as far as i am concerned i gain most of my gold from the mp and i have seen a big drop in pages and prices since xmas.....i aint quoting anyone as i cant be bothered to be honest

 

MP has definitely been reduced in quantities. I'd say across the board.

 

That said, I wouldn't use "Xmas" as a run of the mill norm. Double XP is when there is the most amount of overflow.

 

Now, I always watch the MP and there are fluctuations in the amount offered. I think the crux between our different view is how you use the MP. You want tons of offers at high prices all the time. I just watch to take advantage of it.

 

Pardoux gave one explanation which duk said they were "watching". The truth is that there are multiple explanations.

 

One is what Pardoux mentioned on the number of events. Gold costs for XP tend to sink during those events precisely because peeps aren't hunting.

 

Scavenging caves was a great invention for sinking gold. I don't ever do it anymore, because it costs a lot and requires a lot of time and effort to recoup your investment. That is up to you. I think it's an interesting system as players begin to do it when, for example, EW 1500 rises in FSP in the AH. For me, it's a nice balance of supply and demand and the Legendaries in the caves gives extra incentive to players and the gold sink "helps" those that don't. Really, you don't have to do it. What you're suggesting is that you want things that are in there, but you want to make it cost-free?

 

Another reason, I think, for the draw down in MP "activity" (mind, I'm not talking about prices) is that a lot of EOCers are not hunting so much. I've noticed this has increased a bit above and beyond the fact of those that only hunt twice a year.

 

But I'm not just talking about EOCers.

 

This is a plus for me. Note that HCS has once again managed to sneak in a gold sink that the community approved. Like this post shows, that is extremely difficult. 

 

DQs mean people aren't logging on to burn their stam to get that "XP" stuff. Suddenly, they are taking "some time" out to do other stuff. That "other stuff" means that gold inflow into the game has dropped, to an extent.

 

 

but just looking it would take me 53 fsp to clear the mp out at a staggering average price of 180k per fsp top price 216k bottom 75k

 

 

Before I start in on the above... you're 1-2-3 is relevant, but is auto-defined... not "game-defined".

 

Except when somebody like you clears the MP and even when they do, prices do not fall below 200k for very long.

 

The 75k prices are those intelligent FS players that know that they can hold onto minimum gold and get a desperate person like yourself to buy at dirt cheap prices. I applaud them. Profit there is close to 300%.

 

You put 216k as the top price. Not my experience, at all.

 

Hades, given the above quote, here's my advice to you:

 

Why are buying at 180k per FSP? Is that to be fast with getting it off your hands? I suspect so.

 

However, you could easily choose only to sell at 200k or even your 216k and above. Instead of grabbing all the gold at once... just stage. Buy high and depo to your personal bank.

 

As I'm writing this, you could buy 50 FSP over 200k (using that cuz you said 53 FSP). This depends on when you come on of course, but why don't you sell 20 or whatever when the price is right for you and depo to your bank. 

 

Grant it, maybe you're depoing to guild as well or whatever. But your one-time clear seems hyper-inefficient to me.

 

DON'T GET ME WRONG (for laughs):

 

I believe gold is extremely important and has a value that the FS market doesn't currently reflect. 

 

Players have begun to realize this over the last couple of years and some things in AH that only went for FSP now go for gold. 

 

However, I won't support your idea to introduce more gold in the game simply because "we" need it. 

 

Those "we" who have been in this game for ages should by now be sufficiently endowed with game knowledge in order to figure out ways to get it.

 

Your suggestion, in my opinion, will only serve to damage the game long-run. Higher FSP costs won't help the large majority, myself included, of FS players. 

 

If you have trouble seeing this, think about how FSP at, say, 500k gold would affect the game population and particularly any level 1 (fine, let's say 50 since that now happens after one day) player.