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[sdcrichy]

ok so i've been attacking anyone and everyone now for the past week or so and there are some very bad people out there screaming insults and all sorts just cos i attacked them. i thought TA was a pvp zone? but i maybe mistaken. and before people say it's half gathering zone half pvp zone, i do belive the mats and pl are there to get people in so pvp's can attack.

 

 

have your say now and no insults please, i have my thoughts as to why i have gone to attacking everyone in game on ta. thanks

 

your's sincerely SD.

[Kendiosa]

It's an open pvp zone so pvp in it as much as you want to.
Plenty of other places to gather mats if they can't fight back.

[Thomas02]

What you can be kill on TA? Didn't know this

[gogsy]

A lot of people have ideas why the opening poster has been attacking everyone on ta, probably not the same as what the opening posters ideas are.  As for the "screaming insults and all sorts" comment  pot and kettle comes to mind.

 

No surprise lapdog ken came on to back up his master though.

Edited by gogsy, 28 December 2016 - 13:56.

[Kendiosa]

No surprise lapdog ken came on to back up his master though.

Woof woof

Love you too gogsy.

And if you had a mind and therefore memories, you might remember that I defend all pvp in TA even your super-spinning whirling dervish of doom.

[gogsy]

I remember near the start of the game a dutch player attacking everybody on ta after someone (lajdak?) continually pked him for no reason at all. Everybody including higher levels banded together to protect the lower level players so that the dutch guy would stop. Now that sds basically doing the same thing, looks like theres a lot of two faced players on eu server.

 

Also remember that I was getting the blame at that time for the situation as well, despite it having nothing to do with me anddespite me trying to sort it out as well. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

[Fizban]

TA=PVP, pure and simple, there's a warning upon entry, i remember sd getting constantly PK'd in TA some time ago, so what's the problem with him learning how to fight back and getting revenge? and as for kenny being a lapdog, i'd rather one of those than a Rat, while you're talking about being two faced Bogsy, you are the biggest two faced idiot in the game, wonder why you won't get invites to instances and why it is completely unsafe for you to go to TA, come have some Cockney cuddles there with me sometime

[kidref]

 

ta are a PVP zone if you dont wana die dont enter it like this one did

[Thomas02]

"And if you had a mind and therefore memories, you might remember that I defend all pvp in TA even your super-spinning whirling dervish of doom." This is a quote by Kendiosa talking about Gogsy

Edited by Thomas02, 29 December 2016 - 01:21.

[Brenzlo Xate]

Now that sds basically doing the same thing, looks like theres a lot of two faced players on eu server.

 

Whew! The gogsy talking about players being "two faced" That's rich.
 

 

TA is for open PvP. Nothing more, nothing less.

There is no necessity for players to go into TA, only laziness is what makes it necessary. Sure people will say, it's hard to grind mats outside of TA, "I don't have enough inventory space" or "mats take longer to get outside of TA". Well boo hoo, doesn't change the fact that TA is an open PvP area and obviously the high mats acquisition rate is there as an incentive over the existent risk of getting PK'd and losing half of what you got.

What I find funny is that in my time playing the game people tend to take getting PK'd personally LOL. TA drama is entertaining and it will always exist as long as TA is around and I LIKE IT!! What makes it pathetic though is that I've seen friends fight and then come up with crap against each other saying who started it first bla bla bla... blaming one another and getting other people mixed up (people who are itching for a "legit" reason to PK others too mostly). Next one is the ego LOL, I know of TA guys (Not necessarily PK'ers but those who PvP and are good.) who say TA is for open PvP and yet get pissed and can't take it when 2-3 lower levels get a jump on him/her and get a successful kill LOL even more pissed if it was just 1 lower level who does it. For that, I gotta say that the hypocrisy is real.... You guys/gals know who you are .

TA is for open PvP means TA is for open PvP. You don't have to go saying "But they 100 million vs 1 me, and that's wrong it's not honorable." or "I'm a low level why would you kill me? That's wrong it's not honorable." also at the same time if you're one who believes that you've accepted TA for what it is, don't get pissed about getting killed in TA yourself whether it's by being ganked or low level luck or whatever and if you start a fight yourself at the very least don't come up with a lame excuse to get others to fight your battles for you, just be real and say "Hey guys I killed this guy in TA first I wanna kill him some more, come help me!! Let's go!" Is it so hard to say that? Also if you get killed first in TA either by a friend or a stranger geez accept it, go back in kill him/her back but that doesn't mean your enemies and can't do dungeons anymore.

 

Freakin' egos man...



P. S.

@gogsy I know I know, Too long of a post.
 

Edited by Brenzlo Xate, 29 December 2016 - 07:34.

[rowbet]

have your say now and no insults please

 

Well, that bit was clearly seen and understood 

 

I am reminded of a quotation (and not from the forums): "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient"

 

TA is clearly a PVP zone, and it is clearly playing by the rules to attack everyone on sight. But the more important question is whether that is beneficial for the game --- or even for the individual.  I think the whole game benefits when every player chooses to consider the level, experience, ability ... (and even state of mind if one can know that) ... of the target before deciding whether to attack.

 

 

And Brenzlo,

If "TA is for open PvP. Nothing more" then it would not have PL and gathering. "Nothing less" I will agree with, but it is implemented with more in mind than *just* open PVP.

[sdcrichy]

just on that note robet, ta was a pure pvp zone with no mats to gather or pl at the start but they put mats in there to get more people in for the pker.s

Edited by sdcrichy, 29 December 2016 - 11:31.

[HappyDays]

Another TA thread. Wow, you people just can't seem to get over this hill cant you. Well done, you can attack people in TA and have a reason. Merry Christmas. 

Edited by HappyDays, 29 December 2016 - 11:34.

[Brenzlo Xate]

Well, that bit was clearly seen and understood 

 

I am reminded of a quotation (and not from the forums): "All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient"

 

TA is clearly a PVP zone, and it is clearly playing by the rules to attack everyone on sight. But the more important question is whether that is beneficial for the game --- or even for the individual.  I think the whole game benefits when every player chooses to consider the level, experience, ability ... (and even state of mind if one can know that) ... of the target before deciding whether to attack.

 

 

And Brenzlo,

If "TA is for open PvP. Nothing more" then it would not have PL and gathering. "Nothing less" I will agree with, but it is implemented with more in mind than *just* open PVP.

 

I respect your opinion man. Just IMO, this is the exact example of why TA is riddled with drama (Which I like.). Because the basic idea of TA being corrupted with game justice mentality of some sort. OFC, it's good to have morals in playing a game, but it should be a part of one's morals to know his/her place in terms of "level, experience, ability etc." if you're a low level and know you can't defend yourself you shouldn't go into an open PvP area. If you do, you shouldn't be expecting higher level players to just give you a free pass in an OPEN PvP area when you yourself accepted the warning before you can even enter. It's not like you were teleported into the Open PvP zone, you came in there by choice. If a high level player doesn't kill you, that's good and if the high level player does, then at the very least you just gotta accept it.

 

Getting PK'd in an open PvP area shouldn't be damaging to a game when that area isn't even mandatory to play in. As if TA is the only reason players are playing Eldevin for. New comers don't even know TA in the early stages of the game and the game gives a tutorial on how to gather mats outside NORMALLY. The game doesn't tell you to go into TA to gather LOL. It is mostly until some mid-end game player tells them and pitches TA as a gathering heaven.

What's NOT beneficial to the game are players who inject new comers with the mentality that TA is the way to go for gathering regularly just as they believe and completely ignoring the fact that TA is for Open PvP.

You guys wanna know what's beneficial to the game? .... UPDATES and I mean err those meaningful ones like we used to get in the ancient times (2013-2014).

 

I will repeat, TA is for Open PvP nothing more nothing less. Saying that "TA is implemented with more in mind than just open PvP" because there are nodes in there without even thinking even deeper into the reason why the nodes in TA give smuggled mats which stack for x999 and drops half if you get killed and can be STOLEN and a boss that uses a ranking system to determine the type of loot that an individual will obtain upon killing the boss, is not a well thought out perspective IMO.

^ Because those are clearly variables in an equation to influence a competitive gameplay (PvP) in the area which reinforces the Open PvP aspect rather than the gathering aspect of TA.

Surely I suppose everyone can see why I say TA is meant for OPEN PvP now yeah? or maybe not still... Us Martians are gonna come to get you humans if you keep this up!!


P. S.

@gogsy Yeah another long post. Please don't kill me in TA, it's not beneficial to the game! Everyone will quit if you do that. HCS will go bankrupt, the world will tremble, the planets will align, the pyramids will become cubes and there will be great suffering.

Edited by Brenzlo Xate, 29 December 2016 - 13:53.

[rowbet]

OFC, it's good to have morals in playing a game

 

The quote wasn't about morality, it was about what is expedient. I remember talking to someone going through a divorce who thought they had the moral high ground and really wanted the other partner to suffer (irony noted) --- but realised that in the end they would also make themselves suffer. I'm just advocating having a view to the final consequences.

 if you're a low level and know you can't defend yourself you shouldn't go into an open PvP area. If you do, you shouldn't be expecting higher level players to just give you a free pass in an OPEN PvP area when you yourself accepted the warning before you can even enter.

 

agreed

What's NOT beneficial to the game are players who inject new comers with the mentality that TA is the way to go for gathering regularly just as they believe and completely ignoring the fact that TA is for Open PvP.

 

Well --- not without warning them about the risk, anyway (help them do the risk/benefit analysis)

 

You guys wanna know what's beneficial to the game? .... UPDATES and I mean err those meaningful ones like we used to get in the ancient times (2013-2014).

 

How could I possibly disagree???

 

I will repeat, TA is for Open PvP nothing more nothing less.

 

I still say it is more than that - and if it weren't then it wouldn't achieve the aim you suggest was behind the "more". As SD points out, it had to become "more" in order to get people in to make it work properly. I am *not* justifying victims complaining about being attacked. But I do think the PKers won't work out what is most expedient for them if they don't recognise that TA is more than just open PVP.

Edited by rowbet, 29 December 2016 - 14:08.

[rowbet]

just on that note robet, ta was a pure pvp zone with no mats to gather or pl at the start but they put mats in there to get more people in for the pker.s

 

I'd forgotten that, but absolutely right!

(My memory was obviously dulled by all that mindless fishing I've done there since they put the mats in.  )

Edited by rowbet, 29 December 2016 - 14:07.

[Steve1973]

I don't really see why so many arguments come from TA. (not soley with this post, but all posts and world chat).

 

1. As stated by other players above. Trappers Atoll is a PVP island with gathering nodes to tempt players on, not a gathering island that has pvpers.

 

2. There is a warning before entering, that each player has to agree to before they can enter, so they can't say they didn't know it was PVP.

 

3. There are plenty of places to gather without having to go onto TA, so players aren't forced to enter there.

 

4. When killed by another player, there are NO repairs bills so no loss there and ONLY HALF of any mats gathered are lost rather than all of them, so for those who choose to take the risk and gather on there, it can still be a very convenient way to get mats even if they do get killed.

 

 

The only thing that may be disputed over, would be the quests on TA. "Depositing 50 tokens", "Gathering 50 times" and "killing the PL". But, considering the rewards for these are valor or gold (with maybe a smuggled flake, plasma mount, or item of jewelry) they aren't necessities, just nice bonuses if recieved.

Also with regards to the PL quest, if you manage to get one shot on the PL before getting killed either by him or another player, you can lay there dead and still complete the quest once the PL dies.

[Brenzlo Xate]

 

 

 

The quote wasn't about morality, it was about what is expedient. I remember talking to someone going through a divorce who thought they had the moral high ground and really wanted the other partner to suffer (irony noted) --- but realised that in the end they would also make themselves suffer. I'm just advocating having a view to the final consequences.

 

 

I wasn't referring to the quote you made, but on the paragraph where you mentioned considering the player's "level, skill, ability etc." before actually deciding to kill.
 

 

I still say it is more than that - and if it weren't then it wouldn't achieve the aim you suggest was behind the "more". As SD points out, it had to become "more" in order to get people in to make it work properly. I am *not* justifying victims complaining about being attacked. But I do think the PKers won't work out what is most expedient for them if they don't recognise that TA is more than just open PVP.

 

You mean to say that TA is meant for more than PvP? I'm not sure if you read the whole paragraph where I explained why it is evident that TA is for PvP bud. In fact as you would put it "As SD points out, it had to become "more" in order to get people in to make it work properly." and by "Make it work properly" you mean you understand that they put the mats there for TA to gain player traffic (Lure players in with incentives) and therefore by definition "Make it work properly" refers to the competitive gameplay inside TA? and by competitive gameplay meaning PvP?

 

 

I still say it is more than that - and if it weren't then it wouldn't achieve the aim you suggest was behind the "more".

 

 

 

I said TA is meant for Open PvP nothing more nothing less. I don't remember saying anything "more" about it. As I've stated in the last paragraph of my 2nd post in the thread, obviously all the aspects of TA are geared for competitive gameplay (PvP).

 

Why would the devs put special nodes with high material gain rate from which a droppable and stealable version of material can be obtained and an Open PvP in one area? So that people can go gather there happily ever after?

"If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck." for me.

Anyway man I don't wish to change your perspective, just really wanted to explain mine. You believe TA is more than meant for Open PvP well okay cool.

[Brenzlo Xate]

I don't really see why so many arguments come from TA. (not soley with this post, but all posts and world chat).

 

It's cuz of you humans and your freedom of speech, perspective and will. We are coming soon! We need to end this!

[CerberusCrying]

Amazing how hypocrite can someone be...

 

You always grouped me with your little friend accusing me of being part of an pker crew, and i never used to be one, but you always loved to play as a cop dont you? "i will protect the favored minors from the monsters from outside" or at least die trying... because its what you do if you dont group, I never gave you a reason to attack and you always did, no matter what, but always grouping, never alone, and now you come with this bs, talking about TA being an open pvp area, as if you give a shit for what the others think about you.

 

 

i have my thoughts as to why i have gone to attacking everyone in game on ta.

 

 

You do ABSOLUTELY nothing alone on TA, how can you be attacking "everyone" ? get some self-respect dude.