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[Kedyn]

This saddens me deeply. The fact that you guys are so adamant about making a change when nothing needs to be changed. 

 

My guildie, just deleveled, all the way down from level 1800, to level 1200. So that he could help us out of GXP lock. 

 

With this new suggestion implemented, he will be lucky to get back to level 1500. 

 

If you would be so kind as to tell me why exactly things need changing; in detail if you would.

 

As I am not able to find a single good reason to change anything.

The only thing this is going to fix, is players will no longer be deleveling, Thus causing those players to be stuck at EOC.

 

Now, Gomezkilla told me that there are many other things that can be done once EOC can be reached. 

 

Such as titan hunting, pvping, se hunting.

 

But don't you think that those players that have been playing the game for 4-5 years who are at EOC have already done all this?

 

It is sad that you guys are too close minded to see the whole picture. You just want to change something without looking at the long term consequences. 

 

Like I said before, if this is implemented, be prepared to lose a lot of players.

 

It won't change the XP the person receives for hitting monsters above his VL. It will change the XP earned for the guild. The XP earned for the guild (rather than X times the XP earned) will be the XP earned for the monster at the current level. Using make believe numbers, player X (level 1200 hitting 1800 champion) will receive 3000 XP instead of the normal 1000. Instead of the guild receiving 20% of that 3000, it will earn 20% of the 1000 while the player still receives the 3000.

 

Looking at it another way, if player normally receives 1000 XP for killing lvl 1800 monster and is X levels above said monster, they may only gain 500 xp. The guild will receive the 20% of the 1000 xp rather than the 500 the person earned.

 

Hopefully I got that right >.>

[Rek]

The original exploit will still exist, just not in the same way. The xp will still be increased from personal xp, but the GXP will remain a constant for each creature. It would actually be extremely inefficient to delevel and relevel after this compromise.

And I believe the BB will change since it's not being used as Hoof wanted it.. or at least that is what I got out of his post the other day

And what is this fixing then? Elaborate please.

Edited by Rekluse, 10 December 2013 - 15:32.

[maxdragon]

maxdragon, on 10 Dec 2013 - 16:02, said:

maxdragon, on 10 Dec 2013 - 14:59, said:
this EXPLOIT affects ALL PLAYERS of ALL LEVELS !!!

And that is what we are trying to fix. This compromise that is being proposed will fix that. There will be no need to delevel anymore to get the guild the GXP.

NO mate,

 

what hoofmaster suggested in this poll is just another EXPLOIT!

(hitting a creature and getting the same GXP even though your level is higher than the creatures)

for EXAMPLE: lvl 1800 player hitting lvl 1800 creature gets 10k XP + 2k GXP !

NOW with hoofmasters suggestion: lvl 1900 player hitting lvl 1800 creature gets xx (much lower than 10k xp) XP + 2k GXP !!!! (again this is an EXAMPLE)

 

WHY does a lvl 1900 player get the SAME GXP as a lvl 1800 player ?????? <---- is not that another EXPLOIT ????

 

how is it a FIX if you get more GXP from a creature than you should actually get?

like in other MMORPGs you ONLY start getting LESS guild (other games call it guild, party, clan, ...) xp if the creatures level is lower than yours !!

 

AGAIN:

DO IT LIKE ALL OTHER MMORPG !!!!

if someone wants to lose levels then let them use the GOLD UPGRADE (to not abuse the BB, BH & smasher medal)

if someone wants to level up again then do it like you did the 1st time !!!

DO IT LIKE ALL OTHER MMORPG !!!!

 

and the reasoning that just because a player reached a certain level he should have it easier with his 2nd leveling is just BS !!!!

[Rek]

 

maxdragon, on 10 Dec 2013 - 16:02, said:

NO mate,

 

what hoofmaster suggested in this poll is just another EXPLOIT!

(hitting a creature and getting the same GXP even though your level is higher than the creatures)

for EXAMPLE: lvl 1800 player hitting lvl 1800 creature gets 10k XP + 2k GXP !

NOW with hoofmasters suggestion: lvl 1900 player hitting lvl 1800 creature gets xx (much lower than 10k xp) XP + 2k GXP !!!! (again this is an EXAMPLE)

 

WHY does a lvl 1900 player get the SAME GXP as a lvl 1800 player ?????? <---- is not that another EXPLOIT ????

 

how is it a FIX if you get more GXP from a creature than you should actually get?

like in other MMORPGs you ONLY start getting LESS guild (other games call it guild, party, clan, ...) xp if the creatures level is lower than yours !!

 

AGAIN:

DO IT LIKE ALL OTHER MMORPG !!!!

if someone wants to lose levels then let them use the GOLD UPGRADE (to not abuse the BB, BH & smasher medal)

if someone wants to level up again then do it like you did the 1st time !!!

DO IT LIKE ALL OTHER MMORPG !!!!

 

and the reasoning that just because a player reached a certain level he should have it easier with his 2nd leveling is just BS !!!!

 

+1 finally somebody actually knows what he is talking about. Hopefully this will open peoples minds, doubtful as they only see what they want to see rather than looking at it in the other persons perspective. 

[yotwehc]

+1 finally somebody actually knows what he is talking about. Hopefully this will open peoples minds, doubtful as they only see what they want to see rather than looking at it in the other persons perspective.

I see it exactly as he does and I like it. Resolves the medals issue and keeps eoc'rs happy. Pretty shrewd move by HCS.

[Kedyn]

+1 finally somebody actually knows what he is talking about. Hopefully this will open peoples minds, doubtful as they only see what they want to see rather than looking at it in the other persons perspective. 

 

You were complaining about your guild member deleveling and having to relevel - so this would change items. What you want is your guild member to have to go back to the level 1200 world and relevel each and every level? 

 

I'm perfectly fine with that - as I feel that should be the way things are done. I agree with Max about the possibility of a gold upgrade to lose levels and making them go back to Krul Island (same with those who deleveled), but I do feel like this suggestion is a STARTING point for what changes can be made later on. Will it be an exploit for those at EoC to get guild XP? Sure.. but there aren't many people in this game who have not taken advantage of the current problem that exists in the game - getting deleveled and using a monster XX levels above their VL or AL to get bonus XP (it's been used by PVP players for the longest time). 

 

Overall, I'd much rather see the spam gone and the "Advertised" Free Hits gone from the game. I don't see any difference between advertising that and free/trade wins in GVG 

[gomezkilla]

And what is this fixing then? Elaborate please.

Dissuading people from deleveling and relelveling and creating more problems elsewhere (for example the BB).

[Hoofmaster]

This is just sad way of running the game. On a previously discussion about this, months ago, it was said by Hoof himself that this was not an exploit and how the game is and was not going to be changed. Now suddenly after some months later when numerous people have de-lvl themself we are being told we wont be able to lvl back up for the purpose of gaining more gxp. That is sertantly unfair when we were told this is okey.

 

 

 

Btw, I'm not worried about getting back up, I will overcome anything, but there is those that won't be able to.

 

This isn't what the suggestion is at all, we are  proposing that the guild xp is not reduced while sub-leveling.

[Rek]

Don't see how this even grew to the extent that it did. There is nothing wrong with this Exploit.

 

I don't see people changing their minds though.

[gomezkilla]

maxdragon, on 10 Dec 2013 - 16:02, said:


NO mate,
 
what hoofmaster suggested in this poll is just another EXPLOIT!
(hitting a creature and getting the same GXP even though your level is higher than the creatures)
for EXAMPLE: lvl 1800 player hitting lvl 1800 creature gets 10k XP + 2k GXP !
NOW with hoofmasters suggestion: lvl 1900 player hitting lvl 1800 creature gets xx (much lower than 10k xp) XP + 2k GXP !!!! (again this is an EXAMPLE)
 
WHY does a lvl 1900 player get the SAME GXP as a lvl 1800 player ?????? <---- is not that another EXPLOIT ????
 
how is it a FIX if you get more GXP from a creature than you should actually get?
like in other MMORPGs you ONLY start getting LESS guild (other games call it guild, party, clan, ...) xp if the creatures level is lower than yours !!
 
AGAIN:
DO IT LIKE ALL OTHER MMORPG !!!!
if someone wants to lose levels then let them use the GOLD UPGRADE (to not abuse the BB, BH & smasher medal)
if someone wants to level up again then do it like you did the 1st time !!!
DO IT LIKE ALL OTHER MMORPG !!!!
 
and the reasoning that just because a player reached a certain level he should have it easier with his 2nd leveling is just BS !!!!

They will get the same GXP, bot the same personal xp. The main goal for the deleveling and releveling is for GXP, this solves that.

My question to you: why does this game have to be LIKE other games? Can we not be unique and different?

[Rek]

Dissuading people from deleveling and relelveling and creating more problems elsewhere (for example the BB).

 

There is no problem with the BB... Sorry, players that are being counterbountied for only 10 stamming need to stop complaining. And come to the realization that that is apart of the game. 

They will get the same GXP, bot the same personal xp. The main goal for the deleveling and releveling is for GXP, this solves that.

My question to you: why does this game have to be LIKE other games? Can we not be unique and different?

It is not that we should strive to be unique, but to be better. 

 

This isn't what the suggestion is at all, we are  proposing that the guild xp is not reduced while sub-leveling.

Why does the amount that players get in GXP have to change at all? 

[tharzill]

Just to help clarify; Hoof said in a post in this thread http://forums.hunted...c=60331&page=13: "Posted Yesterday, 17:08

I don't really see this as an exploit as such btw - it's just how it has always worked. The only thing I feel that makes it feel a bit 'cheap' is the ability to level up quickly on a creature say 200 levels higher than your AL.

 

Edited by tharzill, 10 December 2013 - 16:00.

[Rek]

 

Just to help clarify; Hoof said in a post on one of the other threads: "Posted Yesterday, 17:08

I don't really see this as an exploit as such btw - it's just how it has always worked. The only thing I feel that makes it feel a bit 'cheap' is the ability to level up quickly on a creature say 200 levels higher than your AL.

 

 

If the player can kill that creature that is 200 levels higher than them. then koodos for them. 

 

No need to change that, it is HCS' fault for putting such amazing buffs in the game if you ask me. 

 

There is no reason for anything to be changed.

[gomezkilla]

There is no problem with the BB... Sorry, players that are being counterbountied for only 10 stamming need to stop complaining. And come to the realization that that is apart of the game. 
It is not that we should strive to be unique, but to be better. 

There is a problem with the BB. It is not being used the Hoof wanted it to be used.

So you are saying being just LIKE other games we will be better? I like the unique option better, more potential to be better.

[Rek]

I could have worded that better:

 

 

The buffs that are in this game are a great help, but when a player can get 100k damage just because of their buffs, then that is a subject that should be looked at. 

[dah342]

It seems there are so many different sides complaining.

Firstly, you have the people, such as Kedyn/Kittles, who isn't necessarily complaining but is tired of the 'free hits'. So this constitutes the free medals and all of that garbage.

Then you have the people who are complaining that their guild has an even lesser chance of becoming a 'Top Guild' because all the high leveled players are using the exploit to massively level their guild.

Lastly, you have the players who really don't have a clue what they are talking about and are just infuriated by the fact that someone has been doing something that has been considered 'abusing a bug' or 'cheating'.

 

Okay, let's make fixes. 

First one; adding the gold upgrade to be able to delevel would easily fix this problem. If HCS makes it a small amount (10 levels a day for 'x' amount of gold, the problem won't be entirely fixed, but it won't be as bad. So HCS needs to ensure the CAP for this upgrade is set to decent parameters.)

Second one; I really hate to say this, but WAL, Angellife, TED, *top guild name goes here* have been chasing FFS and trying to stay in the top. What makes you think that your level 400 guild or 700 guild will pass us, who are fighting with blood and tears to just at the very least stay in the top. Not saying you have no chances, but creating a week long discussion over this is kind of useless, especially for your reasonings. I have seen many people state that this 'exploit' has been used for a very long time. I can easily see that. PvPers probably have taken advantage of it. And now that you PvPers realize that levelers and people THAT AREN'T YOU are using it, you're getting offended and you want it shut down. You're sad. 

EOC'ers are fighting to keep their guild in the top. You can't be offended when they are doing it, because they see their competition doing it, so they realize, to stay in the lead, they need to.

This is no excuse, two wrongs don't make a right, is what I would say to most situations at this point. But the fact is, that this isn't necessarily a wrong. 

As I have said in a few of my other posts, if this was a bug/glitch/cheat/exploit. Hoofmaster wouldn't have made pollings, he would've cared less about your guys' opinions and would have just fixed it.

Third one; solve the problem about you people complaining. There are currently around 3 or 4 topics floating around, each with about 12-15 pages. Go knock yourself out and found out what's going on. Enough listening to the FSBox/Guild mates and just taking their word that this is a cheat/wrong. Find out for yourself, get your own opinion on the matter, and then come back when something intelligent comes out.

 

Gomez, you keep agreeing about how this'll fix the exploit. And when someone asks why you agree or why you are on that side, you come back saying the same thing. 

As I have said, and I have seen piles and piles of others say, EOC'ers have not much else to do. And to make their guild better, they aren't going to sit on weeks on end waiting for HCS to finally do something. They are going to (and they have) find a way to ensure that they can take part and make their guild better and stronger.

They found a way, which is neither a cheat, bug, nor exploit, and you guys are butt hurt. 

Most of you complaining have no idea why it is you are complaining. Get to EOC then give your reasoning.

 

Signed so dearly,

~Dah

[Rek]

There is a problem with the BB. It is not being used the Hoof wanted it to be used.

So you are saying being just LIKE other games we will be better? I like the unique option better, more potential to be better.

NO. I am not saying that being like other games will be better, did you not read my post? I SAID:

 

WE SHOULD NOT STRIVE TO BE UNIQUE, BUT TO BE BETTER.

 

 

TO BE BETTER.. not to be like other games. 

 

Is it sinking in yet?

[gomezkilla]

Just a note for everyone.. those creatures are created to be hit by normal buffed people, people with max buffs at 175.. not the epic potions that we have at our disposal from all the global events etc

Edited by gomezkilla, 10 December 2013 - 16:30.

[dah342]

It will when you stop referring to other games when we talk about this change. All Ive heard from you is.. this game does this so we shouldn't blah blah blah

 

Rek has made some valid arguments.

Your response was extremely vague.

I haven't heard Rek say another game does something, so we shouldn't.

blah blah blah?

Thank you.

Your intelligence has not been received but once it has, we'll try to get back to you as soon as possible.

[Rek]

Just a note for everyone.. those creatures are created to be hit by normal buffed people, people with max buffs at 175.. not the epic potions that we have at our disposal from all the global events etc
It will when you stop referring to other games when we talk about this change. All Ive heard from you is.. this game does this so we shouldn't blah blah blah

Not once have I said anything about another game.

 

Sooo..