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#1 Alteration

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 08:40

All the rangers I've talked to all share the same opinion so far - fabled bow sucks.  Crossbows are just a lot better compared to bows because of their 2x faster attack speed.  This impacts ranger play in 2 important ways.

 

1.  Volley - which is a great and important skill to generate mana for ranger.  I have 2 points in it, and in boss fights, I will still use up my total mana pool in 1 minute.  1 minute using skills, drink pot, another 1 minute using skills, then I have 1 minute where I have no mp, and only limited to using skills with the mp from volley.  This is fine as it is, I'm forced to find better skill rotation, or choice to conserve mp for better abilities or to deal as much damage as I can.  But with bow firing only 1.25x/second, I would find myself 80% of the time out of mana.

 

2.  Kiting - a big part of playing ranger is kiting.  This is quite easy, though tiring, with crossbow.  It'll just be unbearable with bow.  

 

Currently, with fabled bow as the prize for doing ASV, I'm not even the least bit interested in doing the dungeon.  Maybe for the 2 knives, they have great stats.  But not the bow.



#2 redsmokeboy

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:05

Seen Mongo post abot fabled weapon's, Asked Question why bow not xbow!

 

Just as well Dev/Staff up to them what add to list of weapon's thought xbow would be far more usefull then Bow - Just as well possible add xbow as option to list would be nice thought bow do have best stat's in game lesser speed make less diserable for many of Ranger skill's Volly as stated - abllite to kite

 

Over all,  what are set bonus,  is it worth bonus stat over lose of att speed.


Edited by redsmokeboy, 12 April 2014 - 10:07.

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#3 InHaste

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 14:36

I agree with Alt, Regular Bows are just so slow and not even worth it losing the attack speed. The fabled bow should most definently 100% be xbow, I mean there really shouldnt be any second thought about this. Or, better yet, have both bow and xbow and let the players decide?  :ph34r:


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#4 ZooksterGaming

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 14:46

I think bow should have higher dps than xbow so it somethign that players will choose between

Higer base dps or faster animations and beeing able to kite.

And then make Fabled Bow and Fabled Xbow that both works in the set.


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 17:09

Simple thing would be to increase the range of bow vs xbow. Same stats, but the trade off is between rate of Attack or distance of attack. For example, say the range of xbow is 2 yards, then the range of bow should be 3-4 yards or something. 


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#6 Alteration

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 19:24

Fabled weapons should be the best weapon, no arguments about it.  So just make the bow an xbow :P Is not like the weapons for other classes have a choice. Only rangers have 2 options for weapons with 1 clearly being the inferior.



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Posted 13 April 2014 - 02:21

yeah i have to agree with this, on my ranger i would never care how much better the stats was on a bow i would still use the lesser crossbow...  the attack speed is always worth the stat loss.....

 

have to remember attack speed doesn't just affect auto attack but also your skill casting while kitting. (or so it was on my ranger) using a bow you have to wait longer for animation before being able to move again casting any skill otherwise it would interupt the cast even on instant cast skills while crossbow you can simply stutter step which is rangers strength. 

 

zook's idea would be good if the devs wanted to do ... make it optional have a bow and crossbow you could pick from but if devs dont want to do that then we're left with either "screw rangers" or "change the bow to cross bow" 


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Posted 17 April 2014 - 01:39

bump this thread as this need be looked at bye GM/Staff


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#9 Alteration

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 11:30

Don't even need to change the bow to xbow, I'm getting sick of xbows to be honest, bows look cooler :P

 

Why not make all bows = xbows in speed? ;)

 

There are many different kinds of 1 hand weapons, but they all have same attack speed.  Same is true for 2 hand weapons as well.



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Posted 18 April 2014 - 01:10

Don't even need to change the bow to xbow, I'm getting sick of xbows to be honest, bows look cooler :P

 

Why not make all bows = xbows in speed? ;)

 

There are many different kinds of 1 hand weapons, but they all have same attack speed.  Same is true for 2 hand weapons as well.

because cross bow has increased attack speed but decreased dps... if bows had same attack speed they would need to reduce all their dps... its better to give choices. some people might want the increased dps of the bow while (most) others perfer the weaker but faster crossbow.


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#11 Irradiated

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 20:08

As I reach the last 25% to level 45, I'm wondering what happened to this?  Did rangers get a fabled x-bow that I can look forward to someday?


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#12 HuMoR

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 21:09

As I reach the last 25% to level 45, I'm wondering what happened to this?  Did rangers get a fabled x-bow that I can look forward to someday?

In short...NO,but from what I can tell some changes are coming for things soon,my guess is fable bow will be a part of this.

My opinion doesn't matter to most,But I will express my thoughts on how things would be If I could make the decisions.

1)The bow should be buffed up so that way your animations remains slower and is higher dps,but over the course of time does more damage in general over time then what a crossbow can.(approx 2.1x-2.4x the xbow damage)
2) make a fabled crossbow and keep it so that it is like other crossbows and offers freedom to kite and is fast and rapid.

My reasoning for this really is a bow should be the higher damage and deal more damage in lets say a 2+ minute fight making this the kind of weapon that you use when in a group,While still giving a majority of the rangers the enjoyment of still getting to use a crossbow for their soloing or even grouped needs and kiting/soloing or such.

Yes that would mean spending more relics then other classes to get both weapons,but thats the kind of price paid to have more enjoyments then other classes. Could focus on the crossbow first then use that to get your normal bow or such. Obviously allow either or to work for the wep set bonus :)


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#13 Irradiated

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 22:59

Makes sense, but the relics etc. can be painful.  Especially since I like having a shield available for some of the solo content, even more relics etc.

 

AFAIK, ranger is the only class that needs to make this type of decision.  I've been told that all 1-hand are the same, as are all 2-hand weapons, just pick based on damage/stats.  This is certainly true with essences.  Since I have yet to meet a ranger who prefers the bow, why not just do away with it?


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 13:31

i no onthing about rangers, but just a general question if xbow is so good, why did they make the bow? i mean if it's of no use ...doesnt make sense to make it or have it in game :/


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 14:02

i no onthing about rangers, but just a general question if xbow is so good, why did they make the bow? i mean if it's of no use ...doesnt make sense to make it or have it in game :/

If you look on real history, you notice many used bows. 

And HCS surely didn't know xbow was THAT good. 

And I like the idea Guthix got, that bows were for hitting high hits and xbow for fast hits


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