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[Removed18058]

Nikita90

 

how is pvp'ing not senseless clicking then?

 

as a leveler you have to get all your buffs figured , sort out good leveling gear find out where to hunt what to hunt etc etc

as a pvp'er you have to get all your buffs figured , sort out good offensive gear find out who you can take out with a certain setup etc etc

 

 

now please tell us what makes the exp loss so exiting to you? that helps out on grim his question earlier aswell.

 

 

 

 

this is just my opinion of things i do not represent anyone else it's just the way how i experience things at this very moment

 

 

 

 

 

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PVP is the only thing in the game that forces interaction. you can level all day and nobody cares. you can make potions all day and they will sell in the ah. YOU can't attack somebody and not expect a response, wether that response be a bounty, a hit back or losing 5. its waking up after being bountied and losing that XP that gets the heart beating. its the wins and losses that you can brag about in guild chat. its thanking friends, allies, and guild members for buffing you on the ladder and on the boards. 

 

hunting is very mundane in comparison. 99% of the time all that is required is the hunting setup you've used for levels,bunch of easily purchased buffs, and hit hit hit until your stamina dwindles down. the only 1% is when a quest confuses you 

 

hmmmm where's the last option you wake up you got hit and you don't do anything? because if somebody hits me i don't grant them the bounty and my precious gold for the bounty neither do i hit back because i tend do drop 5 if i do so.

 

 

i smashed a bit for a friend once i got bountied and dropped 10 but i defended myself well and in the end i felt victorious over the pvp'ers 

 

i just loved seeing all those unresolved combats and combats where i beat my attacker.

 

i know how rewarding the pvp battles are losing 10 levels was my price to put up a good fight and it sure was worth it!

 

 

 

 

and how is pvp'ing a person that is not online not mundane? all you do is get buffed up and do your couple of hits and you're done ...

 

 

it's the levels and gold earned during a hunt that one brags about after leveling

 

and thanking your friends/guildies for the buffs ...

[avvakum]

XP Loss is being used to ruin gamers experience. Above we have a post that admits as much. It is the single most damaging thing in the game, generating huge amount of ill will. It's removal will only be for the betterment of the game.

 

If you really believe in what you are saying, then you should probably just do it! The game has reached the stage where someone should end its agony, why not you? The worst thing can happen is to lose the players that are just waiting for a "legitimate" reason to stop playing. Though, I am pretty sure XP loss won't be the last "damaging thing" you will have to remove, the next ones will be Gold hits, Spell Breaker, Spell Leech, etc. And don't worry, you will have to spend much more time dealing with trashtalkers than with "bullies" now.    

[Nikita90]

hmmmm where's the last option you wake up you got hit and you don't do anything? because if somebody hits me i don't grant them the bounty and my precious gold for the bounty neither do i hit back because i tend do drop 5 if i do so.

 

 

i smashed a bit for a friend once i got bountied and dropped 10 but i defended myself well and in the end i felt victorious over the pvp'ers 

 

i just loved seeing all those unresolved combats and combats where i beat my attacker.

 

i know how rewarding the pvp battles are losing 10 levels was my price to put up a good fight and it sure was worth it!

 

 

 

 

and how is pvp'ing a person that is not online not mundane? all you do is get buffed up and do your couple of hits and you're done ...

 

 

it's the levels and gold earned during a hunt that one brags about after leveling

 

and thanking your friends/guildies for the buffs ...

PVP is more than just senseless clicking because levelers and PVPers alike have proven that to be true. whenever a change is discussed, it rakes in pages upon pages of comments and discussion. lets go discuss leveling as passionately as we do PVP?

 

 

and just to make certain, was the first part of the post sarcasm? because if it wasn't you kinda agreed with me...

[LuxFerre]

just saying but the value of the rating could be increased to give it equal or even higher value than the exp.

 

just give them ideas on stuff to make it more valuable and they will be more than happy enough to work on it .

Hi crippla, when I used the word "value", I was not speaking of the word "value" as of a numeric value.  I was speaking of a meaning that denotes something of worth.  I listed a few ideas in my original post.

Edited by LuxFerre, 22 September 2014 - 21:02.

[Removed18058]

PVP is more than just senseless clicking because levelers and PVPers alike have proven that to be true. whenever a change is discussed, it rakes in pages upon pages of comments and discussion. lets go discuss leveling as passionately as we do PVP?

 

 

and just to make certain, was the first part of the post sarcasm? because if it wasn't you kinda agreed with me...

 

you said that pvp always gives a reaction i just said that it doesn't always provokes some sort of reaction someone can just let it go by

 

and the pvp discussion threads are mostly because the pvp'ers are unsatisfied with the amount of pvp action going on/pvp rewards being given out

 

while levelers also do complain every now and then because they want new content the cows are pretty active on doing that consistently and they are currently trying to satisfy the pvp needs aswell

 

there is no need to discuss leveling it is what it is and nobody is unsatisfied with the way it is right now. the last discussion would be about the GXP and the subleveling issue and that was a passionate discussion.

[Removed18058]

Hi crippla, when I used the word "value", I was not speaking of the word "value" as of a numeric value.  I was speaking of a meaning that denotes something of worth.  I listed a few ideas in my original post.

 

i was thinking of a way like when you get a certain amount of prestige you can do that and if you don't have that you can't

 

 

this way getting pvp prestige would be highly desired to also be able to participate in a certain aspect of the game.

 

 

i figured what you were talking about i just didn't make it clear ^^ hope i made it clear now kinda tired 

 

i'm just trying to help you guys with coming up with solutions

Edited by crippla, 22 September 2014 - 21:12.

[kitobas]

 

All right let me make myself clear to you then.

When i said your limited view I am talking about you yourself saying "in my experience".

So no, I do not need to read your post again.(I seem to recall you having this same conversation with someone else in a different thread)

Also by me saying your limited view I am in no way trying to attack you for it. Only trying to help. Let me try again and I hope you understand.

Yes pvp changes have caused players to leave, but hoofmaster coming here and confirming your statement does not change the fact that the amount of players then or now is due to more then just pvp changes. So having Hoofmaster come here and confirming your statement has very little meaning.

If you still don't understand then I'm sorry as I dont know how else to say it.

 

 

kitobas, on 22 Sept 2014 - 19:06, said:

 

I never said this was only factor, I said in my experience! I do not know why other players left

of course there are other reasons but that is one of them and in my post I say in my experience , read my post I quote in this color and please not twist my words

 

you said: amount of players then or now is due to more then just pvp changes. I never said this was only factor

read my post, I keep repeating same thing and you not reading!

 

 

So having Hoofmaster come here and confirming your statement has very little meaning.

I playing this game starting Sep/2007 and I know original pvp system

 

when we had original pvp system I remember online players was at 1500 - 1700 and now we have 350 - 550 online players,

 

please ask hoofmaster about 1500 - 1700 online players when we had original pvp system, hoofmaster will tell you same thing

 

can you please tell why we now have 350 - 550 online players (now in FS game I have this number 439 online players)?

I can only tell you my experience, my many friends who quitting long ago, leaving because original pvp system was changed to make levelers safer <- that my experience from friends and I leaving this game too for long time, you can look in your system if I telling truth

 

what will happen if you implementing no xp loss and online players get lower , will you then bring back original pvp system and see how numbers on online players will get higher or lower?

I told Biggrim: please ask hoofmaster about 1500 - 1700 online players when we had original pvp system, hoofmaster will tell you same thing

I said to Biggrim ask hoofmaster NOT come here and confirming! only ask hoofmaster

the above post says for BigGrim to only ASK hoofmaster, NOT come here to forum !!!

 

 

So having Hoofmaster come here and confirming your statement has very little meaning.

then why not hoofmaster coming to this forum and say:

 

yes, I agree with removing xp loss from all pvp?

 

I know hoofmaster is busy but this only taking hoofmaster 30 seconds and I not see him for many months

 

after hoofmaster saying this:

yes, I agree with removing xp loss from all pvp?

after hoofmaster saying this I will not stand in way of your update because 2 admin have same opinion and trying talking about this topic will not change.

 

please tell hoofmaster who is maybe sitting in your office to post this and I will not stand in your way and accept the changes becausethere is nothing I or all pvpers can do against it

 

you said that few pvpers say they do bullying and because of that you want no xp loss because ALL pvpers are now bullies?   but that is not justify-able because what for example few chinese say they did crime, is it justify-able to imprison ALL chinese because of that?

 

forum is wonderful thing where people can write their opinion so please not remove this post if you are honest person,

 

thank you for letting me write my opinion

 kito

in this post I tell BigGrim: please tell hoofmaster who is maybe sitting in your office to post this and I will not stand in your way and accept the changes becausethere is nothing I or all pvpers can do against it

 

you see in this post I tell BigGrim to tell hoofmaster to come here and confirming that

yes, I agree with removing xp loss from all pvp?

 

this post says to hoofmaster to come here and confirm!

big difference between the 2 and you still keep twisting my words, please stop doing that and read my posts, thank you

[Removed18058]

the only thing he said is that there's numerous reasons why multiple people quit the game and that the pvp change back in the days wasn't the only factor since you also quit the game you have a more limited view on things in comparison to people who have been here trough everything and experienced every change

 

he didn't try to offend you.

 

you just made it sound as if the pvp change was the biggest reason on why people quit the game while he just wanted to clarify that it wasn't just that.

 

now please stop argueing and help with a solution .

[yotwehc]

People keep referring to the old days when there were 1,000+ players. Curious if HCS was as strict about multi's back then? Also, who's to say that many that left were because they were getting brutalized by pvp? No one knows. Probably HCS has way more info then us speculating. If I were them, I would follow the money. If pvp players are making the big donations then swing the game that way. If not, swing it the other way. Follow the money.

[kitobas]

the only thing he said is that there's numerous reasons why multiple people quit the game and that the pvp change back in the days wasn't the only factor since you also quit the game you have a more limited view on things in comparison to people who have been here trough everything and experienced every change

 

he didn't try to offend you.

 

you just made it sound as if the pvp change was the biggest reason on why people quit the game while he just wanted to clarify that it wasn't just that.

 

now please stop argueing and help with a solution .

and I never said that PvP was ONLY reason!

I only said for hoofmaster to come here and confirm yes, I agree with removing xp loss from all pvp?

 

because if hoofmaster has already aggreed to removing xp loss too like BigGrim then we all need not discuss anything! they have decided and we all talking now is only a waste of time because they will implement this update, do you understand what I mean?

 

I remember hoofmaster talking to players and he encouraging PvP! back in day he was leading force of PvP! maybe hoofmaster changed after years, I do not know, every person can change but to me this change very radikal from pro-pvp to anti-pvp!

I not remember which admin say PvP with no xp loss is no real PvP and all admins present agreed and telling jokes

later hoof talking to us about changes with irc chat (some of you maybe remember)

 

if I honest I can not believe that hoofmaster changed 180° during this years, this not hoofmaster I remember and as long hoofmaster not coming to forum and confirming officially: yes, I agree with removing xp loss from all pvp then I keep believing in hoofmaster I remember

[Mzzery]

 

Alright first off

You have the right to your own opinion. Of course as everyone should be. 

 

Your statement is untrue/false because I along with countless others place value on our levels simply due to the amount of time I have invested. In other words I value my levels because I have worked to obtain them not because I risk losing them. Now if your statement said that some people consider their level worthless because there is no risk then i could agree with you and hold your statement true.

 

Your 18 years of playing games only holds this statement true for yourself and and anyone that shares your opinion, not for everyone that plays games. 

I have around 15 years of gaming experience so what........

 

Now I can agree with you that boredom would be a big factor in any games downfall. However many games have done extremely well without the risk of exp loss. Just look at games such as World of Warcraft, diablo2/3, Guild Wars, Quake, Call of Duty, Battlefield.....I could go on and on. How many people play games such as these and how long have these games been going? NB4 you say hardcore mode in some of those sure, but thats not what keeps those games going.

 

My statement holds true. It is facts. It's my views, and my experiences. So yes, facts of that. I honestly don't know why you feel the need to tell me my statement about my experiences are wrong and untrue? Yours may differ, but I can promise you that once people get bored, they find something else to do.

 

Those games you mentioned have a kill-ability that does not exist in FS. You can't die in FS. You can get a bruise or two through pvp, but that's all. Why is keeping it that way such a bad thing?  I can't stand so called games like farmville, and without xp loss, FS will feel like a weird take on that kind of game.

[Removed18058]

and I never said that PvP was ONLY reason!

I only said for hoofmaster to come here and confirm yes, I agree with removing xp loss from all pvp?

 

because if hoofmaster has already aggreed to removing xp loss too like BigGrim then we all need not discuss anything! they have decided and we all talking now is only a waste of time because they will implement this update, do you understand what I mean?

 

I remember hoofmaster talking to players and he encouraging PvP! back in day he was leading force of PvP! maybe hoofmaster changed after years, I do not know, every person can change but to me this change very radikal from pro-pvp to anti-pvp!

I not remember which admin say PvP with no xp loss is no real PvP and all admins present agreed and telling jokes

later hoof talking to us about changes with irc chat (some of you maybe remember)

 

if I honest I can not believe that hoofmaster changed 180° during this years, this not hoofmaster I remember and as long hoofmaster not coming to forum and confirming officially: yes, I agree with removing xp loss from all pvp then I keep believing in hoofmaster I remember

 

then come with a solution where you can keep exp loss this is a thread about solutions and opinions so just help us with solutions and opinions instead of hoof this hoof that ...

[RebornJedi]

Have fun with that renovation..

Removing/changing PvP XP loss baggage.. Protection, buffs, enhancement etc.

Removing the current ladder? Pfft why try to fix something when you can throw it away and buy something new.. What is to be done with the stockpile of tokens and the medal? Gonna reset the dominance medal again? Because that's fair..

Altering the Bounty Board rules.. Why would a player place a bounty on another with their own gold/FSP to just see them lose rating (if they even care for it), gold (if they're even carrying any), and item durability (if they are even wearing any hahaha or running unbreakable)?? Will you add in another type of punishment to the board? Can I counter bounty the bounty hunter? How will that work now..

Is Actual Level and Virtual Level even needed anymore if XP loss is removed? Would you revert everyone to their actual level? Or would you be to worried to even mess with that?

Be prepared for a LOT of attacks in players' logs.. I woukd highly suggest updating the well outdated log system.. Also can we be guaranteed to be allowed to attack players, even the same ones, over and over every hour without fear or disgust with being called a bully and told to stop or face suspension/termination? Because weak skinned players will still cry even though we aren't taking 1-10% of their level while risking losing five levels ourselves anymore..

Will there be total PvP opt outs eventually? Im worried we are seeing a giant change to this game and would like to feel more comfortable with this transition ..

I know removing XP loss from PvP will bring a lot more activity to the field.. But will this watered down PvP become stale over time? How will the BB cope with such a big change to the aspect? Will a new type of super bully emerge from the collapse of PvP XP loss?..

All I know is removing XP loss from PvP isn't just removing those numbers.. A lot of features will be affected hard and some just slighty.. This will take time and that's if full attention is placed upon it... But this could just be a pipe dream that will only cause some heated discussion and fizzle out like all random PvP changes tossed out randomly by a cow..

If not.. Have fun with this renovation

Edited by RebornJedi, 22 September 2014 - 22:31.

[yotwehc]

mary4ever warned us in forum: PvP XP / XP through PvP that clock96 started about this game getting in direction to NO XP LOSS !

this mary post can be found: http://forums.hunted...h-pvp/?p=890327


Posted 20 September 2014 - 02:33

BigGrim, on 17 Sept 2014 - 18:38, said:
@clock96: sorry to ask this but are you sure you and Biggrim are on the same page?


clock96, on 14 Sept 2014 - 16:32, said:
you are talking about PvP taking leveling XP (Player lost XXXXX XP)

from what I understand is that BigGrim is talking about PvP NOT taking Levelling XP BUT you are talking about PvP taking Levelling XP

can you please explain this? (maybe I am misunderstanding something)

mary4ever kept asking for hoofmaster to assure that the pvpers will have their pvp with xp loss, do you remember her post?
I saw some mary4ever post deleted and some were changed, do you remember mary4ever post with Albert Einstein picture that saying Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

example: her post at http://forums.hunted...h-pvp/?p=890207 has been changed by admin, admin removed thing she asked about hoofmaster need assure pvpers and admin removed picture of albert einstein with sentence on it!

hoofmaster never did that and we could write in forum free our opinion, I am very sad seeing what fallen sword become, was one of best online game I play and I really hope the hoofmaster I remember is still here

Clock changed his mind midway through that topic. Originally he suggested no level xp loss but changed it after many folks complained that xp loss was a must. Then it spiraled out of control.

[Leos3000]

If normal XP loss is indeed removed is it possible to add a new PVP Xp system?

 

where normal XP is gained from creatures

 

PVP xp is lost and gained in PVP (I would normally go into more detail at this point, but I will see if this has any traction 1st)

[BadPenny]

People keep referring to the old days when there were 1,000+ players. Curious if HCS was as strict about multi's back then? Also, who's to say that many that left were because they were getting brutalized by pvp? No one knows. Probably HCS has way more info then us speculating. If I were them, I would follow the money. If pvp players are making the big donations then swing the game that way. If not, swing it the other way. Follow the money.

Yeah, I was here in the old days, and multis were taken just as seriously then as now... This forum would see posts daily with the topic "Why was I banned?" or some such....

 

As a PvP player, I would not speculate as to who spends more money.  I'll admit that I spend an average of $100 (US) a month.  I'm sure there are some that pay more, as well as those that contribute less.  I think HCS would be hard pressed to distinguish between levelers and PvPer's in this area.

 

As to the reasons players leave FS, I don't think it's really the PvP issue, rather technology leaving games like FS in the dust.  We can only remain loyal and convince our friends to play.  

 

Will taking XP loss out of the equation keep these new players?  Nobody can know.  Do I think this is a wrong decision for FS?  Yes, I do... But, I will accept it and carry on if this occurs.  I just won't like it very much.... Will I leave over it?  No, it will take more than this passive bullying by levelers to make me quit this game.   

[avvakum]

Have fun with that renovation..

Removing/changing PvP XP loss baggage.. Protection, buffs, enhancement etc.

Removing the current ladder? Pfft why try to fix something when you can throw it away and buy something new.. What is to be done with the stockpile of tokens and the medal? Gonna reset the dominance medal again? Because that's fair..

Altering the Bounty Board rules.. Why would a player place a bounty on another with their own gold/FSP to just see them lose rating (if they even care for it), gold (if they're even carrying any), and item durability (if they are even wearing any hahaha or running unbreakable)?? Will you add in another type of punishment to the board? Can I counter bounty the bounty hunter? How will that work now..

Is Actual Level and Virtual Level even needed anymore if XP loss is removed? Would you revert everyone to their actual level? Or would you be to worried to even mess with that?

Be prepared for a LOT of attacks in players' logs.. I woukd highly suggest updating the well outdated log system.. Also can we be guaranteed to be allowed to attack players, even the same ones, over and over every hour without fear or disgust with being called a bully and told to stop or face suspension/termination? Because weak skinned players will still cry even though we aren't taking 1-10% of their level while risking losing five levels ourselves anymore..

Will there be total PvP opt outs eventually? Im worried we are seeing a giant change to this game and would like to feel more comfortable with this transition ..

I know removing XP loss from PvP will bring a lot more activity to the field.. But will this watered down PvP become stale over time? How will the BB cope with such a big change to the aspect? Will a new type of super bully emerge from the collapse of PvP XP loss?..

All I know is removing XP loss from PvP isn't just removing those numbers.. A lot of features will be affected hard and some just slighty.. This will take time and that's if full attention is placed upon it... But this could just be a pipe dream that will only cause some heated discussion and fizzle out like all random PvP changes tossed out randomly by a cow..

If not.. Have fun with this renovation

 

Who needs all these details? Virtual level, enhancements, etc. Steal gold as much as you want and lose durability lol  *facepalm

[yodamus]

If normal XP loss is indeed removed is it possible to add a new PVP Xp system?

 

where normal XP is gained from creatures

 

PVP xp is lost and gained in PVP (I would normally go into more detail at this point, but I will see if this has any traction 1st)

bingo !!!   have a pvp level..and all things pertaining to pvp hits, xp gains or losses goes towards that pvp level...have pvp gear, pvp quests, pvp titans. and so on depending on ones pvp level...still have gold stolen- more than as it is now, ..still have prestige..still have bb..bb xp loses to ones pvp levels...would encourage lots of pvp action..

 

Edited by yodamus, 22 September 2014 - 22:55.

[BadPenny]

Just to illustrate the thrill.... there is this:

http://forums.hunted...hl=one fine day

[wil72]

So I should sit in Epics then?

 

How dull.

 

Cheers.

 

wil72