BadPenny

Anytime you buy something, no matter where on the planet you live, any applicable taxes apply.  In most cases, these taxes are precalculated into the price, but in others, they are added at the end.  This is a part of adult life.  It's not the cows fault if they have to add on a tax, they have to follow the same rules as any other business.....

I feel for all of you, I really do.... why do you think I want a bigger th and merch?  Forging is expensive, and so is composing... and then there are these quests of which you speak, which I both dread and anticipate with eager excitement.

Now that you mention it, it is new.  Kind of miss the stack of coins though

*calls an ambulance for Peter*

Davy, define "imminent"  I want to try some of them out..... I volunteer to be the guinea pig... so y'all compare notes, so as to not gave a bunch of repitition...

Oh, I'm way in favor of bigger buffs.  I have long thought they shouldn't have stopped at 175.  I need way more damage... every single hunt.

It's the pillow fighting ladder y'all... 

No for Merchant and Treasure Hunter. Too much gold in the game as is.

 

 

As for the rest, I don't have an opinion. I agree with some of the people before me however. I'm not for introducing all of these at once. And this may cause the previously mentioned divide between donators and nondonators.

Dear dear friend.  I spend about 5 dots a day in gold just on composing alone (just for leveling, more if I make personal use pots.).  I play the arena, I buy buffs, I do a lot of things with gold.  There are less places to steal gold nowadays, it's not like the old days when prey just took off without securing their gold.  They are wise to me... So I sometimes do a short stam burn now  and again just to farm gold, with only the minimal buffs to up my damage, and since I don't 1 hit consistently anyway, (never have, really, so, it's ok, I'm ok with it)  I wear my primary PvP setup, and have a high AL, and TH and Merch running.  It would be nice to have a bigger TH/Merch for these little forays.  I look at it this way.  I have been a regular contributor for 7 years now.  Why can't I have more gold from my hunt?  There are high-powered buffs for XP, for stats, for harvesting resources and items.... we should have the option for gold as well, it's only right, and for those that think they have enough gold already, that's fine, they don't have to purchase it.  It's all about options really.... Why should there be a big fuss about this being AVAILABLE  for those that would choose to use it?

The lag is HCS site wide, it's even happening on the Legacy dev site (peak population about 6, yes I said 6 )  

Hunting is almost impossible, killing a creature takes 2-5 seconds at times, moving is jerky and stop and go.... All this started when the servers were changed the first time, and it appears to be getting worse... I would expect it at peak times or during an event, but it's happening during normal times when there are <400 online on FS.  Please fix this.... 

And all the buffs you mention are below level 500 to gain them except nmv which can be attained via specials for level 80.

 

To your second point I never sell buffs I would never hit max stam if I did. So I am not arguing out of self interest.

 

Instead of looking at what you would like as if you are a child in a candy store, try and evaluate what their effect would be on the game and its economy..

You know, I do have a reputation of putting the game and how things affect others first.  For one thing, these are rewards... We get 5 tokens a day just for showing up, but the majority of my tokens, like the rest of you, I imagine, come from our regular donations to the game.  I have probably spent way too much on this game, not only for my own use, but ALSO to help many many others, including my guild, in this game.  I've been around for a good while now, and I've seen the trends, heard all the beefs and complaints imaginable.  As I said, I've seen these same complaints for a while now.  When FI 1k was released, half the community threw a fit... "oh, it's way overpowered"   "oh, it's too expensive"  and yes "oh, it's going to make FI 150 (highest in the game at that time, NOBODY was 500 yet) obsolete"  As you can see, it 2015 now, and the introduction of FI 1K did not break the game.  Yeah, I know, few use 175, but it's not because FI 1K was added to the game, but because you can get FI 800 so cheaply now.  But it did not break the game, and I still buy it from the buff market,  because it's still cheaper, and based on my experiences, I get drops anyway, even from SE's, even when I have forgotten to get it.  That's just one example.  The thing is, dear, there are all sorts of ways to get many buffs in this game, from invented and composed, to the cave potions, to the specials, and even the arena potions.  IMHO, it's not going to break the game to add some SPECIAL potions to the loyalty section for us to use.  If you ask me, it will inspire many that have never donated to do so, just so they can be "kids in a candy store" as you put it, too.  I know, it's a little juvenile, but it's how economies actually work... the products put stars in our eyes on the commercials, and we all run right down to WalMart to buy them... Can you say you have never bought any product of some kind you did not need just because you had been dazzled by an advertiser's brilliance?  

These are meant to be rewards here, and not something one always uses for every purpose.  I donate every month and I don't have that many tokens to spend, so what I would get would be used sparingly, like any global chest, or one I got from an offer, same as I  always have.  I will still continue to use my own awesome Pennah Magic on myself and friends and guildmates, and I will continue to compose what I can that I or my guild needs.  I still want these buffs, though.  I don't see them as a bad thing.  They are a good direction for the game to go....

I see a lot of talk about "we won't have any need for our skill points"  Well, I don't see an enchant armor there, or a holy flame, or any imps, and so on.  There are plenty of regular buffs that we still will need for ourselves and others.  I see NO PvP buffs outside of last ditch and anti-deflect.  

It's funny, when potions were first introduced, we had the very same protests, and I wondered then as I do now, "Are we worried about not needing buffs for our personal usage, or are we worried there won't be a market to buy them?"  Well, there will always be a market for a SMALL NMV, for quest finder (also not on this list) and I could go on, but you can see my point, can't you?  

Loyalty potions, no matter what we get at whatever strength, will not kill the market for buffs or eliminate the need for some very important level 175 buffs.  So stop worrying, look at the list again, and just try to see what there is that you might want, instead of fretting about something that is unlikely to happen

I also can see your point.  The global events are a community affair... But they are still an option, not mandatory. Just like quests and PvP, they are provided for our enjoyment, but not always everybody's cup of tea.   I know plenty that not only hunted their Zombies and made the top 100, but also hunted a titan (or two) and/or leveled.  I farmed gold as I hunted mine 1 by 1, in hunting gear in my own hunting grounds, with al, th and merch running and just killing everything in my path.  No, I didn't make top 100, not even close, but I did make my quota and got my emblazoned chests.  And, with no doubler, mind you, I managed to reclaim 1 level and rake in almost a million in gold.  Obviously not an efficient use of my limited stam, but I had fun, and in the end, isn't that the real reason we are here?  To have fun?  Playing a game should never be a chore, and turning off everything but globals would make it just that, work.... Who wants to do that in their free time?

Thousand of loyalty points are not earned by logging in everday.

 

The current loyalty potions mostly are useless, now you want to add more useless one. I dont mind, keep up the good job.

Dear, I donate every month... I have lots and lots of loyalty tokens, and no good pots to spend them on.  I don't use global booster, it's cheaper to buy the UB pot in the AH, and with the exception of DBL 1200 and MAYBE the SAC, the leveling buffs there are too small to make any kind of difference imho.  I am a loyal customer, and I want some value in my "loyalty potions".  The boss has presented a list of *possible* new potions.  He wants feedback, not only of what we like or don't like about the list, but what we would like to have on the list for consideration.  I'm sorry, not meaning to be rude here, but if you have nothing positive to say, please don't, OK?  We have enough negativity around here as it is.    

#end rant

as for this list:

Hi there Everyone.

Here is a list of possible Loyalty Potions. We're looking for feedback on these as well as suggested points costs.

Anti Deflect 300 ~ Yes. Yes, I'd pay up to 500 tokens

Super Elite Slayer 200 ~ Yes. Yes, I'd pay up to 500 tokens

Overkill 300 ~ Yes.  

Honor 250 ~ Yes.  This buff only works in case of a failed attack.... It is not useful for defending, and inapplicable to the bounty board.  I can only see it as useful for ladder purposes.  Maybe if it was reworked so it also has properties for the defending party...

Degrade 200 ~ Yes.

Side Step 200 ~ Yes. Yes, I'd pay up to 500 tokens

Last Ditch? 250 ~ Yes. Even 175 is very powerful... kicks in well and often, sometimes more than once in battle... 

Inventor (II) 20 ~ Yes. 

Reckoning 230 ~ Yes.  Yes, not sure what I'd pay though.

Sacrifice 350 ~ Yes.

Gold Foot 250 ~ Yes.  I used this buff once... I didn't like the costs involved myself and deactivated it pretty quickly, so I definitely wouldn't use a bigger one.

Cloak 100 (300 minutes) ~ Yes. Longer time, yes, but size doesn't matter here, all we need is for it to hide our total stats, and 30 does that just fine.  

Extend 200 ~ Yes.  

Reinforce 250 ~ Yes.  

Not sure about prices on these.

Overkill 300 ~ Yes.

Sanctuary lvl 250 ~ Yes.  Yes, I'd pay up to 500 tokens

Stun lvl 200 ~ Yes. 

Mighty Vigor 250 ~ Yes. 

Ignite/Poison 200 ~ Yes.  Yes, I'd pay up to 500 tokens

Arterial Strike 200 ~ Yes

Spectral Knight 200 ~ Yes

Flinch 200 ~ Yes

Terrorize 200 ~ Yes

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Treasure Hunter 250 ~ Maybe?  Please please please can Pennah haz?

Merch 275 ~ Maybe? See TH

Dull Edge 200 ~ Maybe? 

Brewing master 250 ~ Invalidates the recently released Pontius Egg.  Let's leave the eggs alone.... 

Extractor II 200 ~ Yes. Could be a touch higher though. 300?  

Find Item 1250 ~ 800? 1000? 1250 makes the 1000 in SA obsolete.  TBH, I seem to get more drops with no FI these days, and with 800 so inexpensive, and 1K showing up in the bazaar with good frequency, this is unnecessary.

Stalker 300 ~ Maybe. If so, the existing Stalker potions would need to be buffed a wee bit. 

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AL180 and CON180 potions should be updated to 250?  These are easily obtained via composing, even at the lower levels, you can make more powerful ones than this of each.  I find this would be counter-productive to those of us who do compose... HOWEVER, I can see the need for those who do not, and do not have a guild composer readily available. 

 

BTW, the folks with huge stam banks really want a bigger doubler.  Personally, I think 1200 is more than big enough, but I'm just small fry with a mediocre stam bank.  They want to hunt quicker, give it to them... 1500-1750 should do it, make it 500-750 tokens.... 

 

One last thing... Make a gold cost for all loyalty items, not just keys and GB's.  

 

~ The Fallen Sword Team

There ya go, folks, Pennah's opinion on the matter..

Although I like this idea, and I did vote yes, I just want to add that when I hit the buff market, I tend to buy from the same folks.  It is only coincidence that many of these are friends or guildies, who for the most part refund my moneys, even though they don't need to.  I feel that if one sells buffs, one should have their income regardless of the source.  Refunds should be at the discretion of the seller, and when I need a buff on the fly, I'd rather pay a friend and benefit them than a stranger.  That's just me, I feel it to be in the best interests of commerce and the economy of the game.... 

Just my 2 Pennys

It's funny, the guild master buff does work when casting buffs on oneself.... 

Maybe I shouldn't have said anything....