39 replies to this topic

[EpicPiety]

Moving Stalker 400 > 800 could offer value. Stalker 400 doesn't offer much to be honest.

Food for thought.

[Alisa]

make the fsp from the sale guild bound so cant be spent by single player

 

after all it is guild vrs guild ,why get an item that can be sold by 1 person 

 

There are two types of payouts for GvG participants.

 

1. You get compensated after the RP item is sold and is shared amongst all participants; the guild also gets a portion for the initiation charges.

 

2. You are rewarded per conflict completion.

 

Most guilds choose number 2 because it is easier to keep track of everything. Option 2 does not entitle you to any RP compensation if you are already paid per conflict.

 

make the item guild bound  lev 1 +7 epic ,thay way anyone in guild can wear it 

 

This would be a major loss to the guild if the item is bound.

 

this is not the discussion for it.

Edited by Alisa, 17 January 2024 - 07:09.

[Toreth]

[BigGrim]

Trying to get some Coding time to make implementation easier now and for the future.

 

~ Grim

[BigGrim]

Hey there.

 

Following feedback, we've made the following changes:

 

Name: Battle Pack C Cost: 10 RP

Contents: 

Rage 300

Berserk 300

Fortify 300

 

Name: Power Leveller C Cost: 20 RP

Adept Learner 300

Librarian 300

Doubler 300

 

Name: Battle Pack D Cost: 25 RP

Contents: 

Death Wish 400

Death Dealer 400

Wither 400

 

Name: Power Leveller D Cost: 30 RP

Contents: 

Adept Learner 400

Librarian 400

Doubler 400

Conserve 400

 

Name: Fortune Pack C Cost: 35 RP

Quest Finder 300

Merchant 300

Four Leaf 300

Find Item 300

Treasure Hunter 300

 

Name: Defense Pack C Cost: 30 RP

Contents: 

Fortify 400

Aura of Protection 400

Force Shield 400

Fortitude 400

 

Name: Fortune Pack D Cost: 45 RP

Contents: 

Quest Finder 400

Merchant 400

Four Leaf 400

Find Item 400

Treasure Hunter 400

 

Name: Defense Pack D Cost: 30 RP

Contents: 

Evade 400

Absorb 400

Flinch 400

Rock Skin 400

 

 

Toreth's suggestions.

 

 

Name: Enchant Pack Cost: 75 RP

Contents: 

Enchant Amulet 200

Enchant Boots 200

Enchant Helmet 200

Enchant Ring 200

Enchant Rune 200

Enchant Shield 200

Enchant Weapon 200

Enchanted Armor200

Iron Fist 200

 

 

Name: Titan Pack Cost: 200 RP

Contents: 

Titan Doubler 200

Light Foot 600

Avert Gaze 200

Teleport 175

 

 

Name: Leveling Pack Cost: 100 RP

Contents: 

Stalker 400

Sacrifice 300

Overkill 350

Animal Magnetism 400

 

 

Name: Defense Pack Cost: 100 RP

Contents: 

Avenger 300

Stalwart Heart 300

Fortitude 200 (300 interferes with Promo and Arena potions.)

 

 

Name: Bounty Pack Cost: 100 RP

Contents: 

Anti Deflect 300 (400 interferes with Promo potions.)

Spell Breaker 250 (Invalidates invented potion?)

Retaliate 300

Undermine 300

 

 

Name: Fighter Pack Cost: 75 RP

Contents: 

Fist Fight 200

Critical Strike 250

Side Step 250

Riposte 200

Sharpen 200

 

 

~ Grim

[EpicPiety]

 

Hey there.

 

Following feedback, we've made the following changes:

 

Name: Battle Pack C Cost: 10 RP

Contents: 

Rage 300

Berserk 300

Fortify 300

 

Name: Power Leveller C Cost: 20 RP

Adept Learner 300

Librarian 300

Doubler 300

 

Name: Battle Pack D Cost: 25 RP

Contents: 

Death Wish 400

Death Dealer 400

Wither 400

 

Name: Power Leveller D Cost: 30 RP

Contents: 

Adept Learner 400

Librarian 400

Doubler 400

Conserve 400

 

Name: Fortune Pack C Cost: 35 RP

Quest Finder 300

Merchant 300

Four Leaf 300

Find Item 300

Treasure Hunter 300

 

Name: Defense Pack C Cost: 30 RP

Contents: 

Fortify 400

Aura of Protection 400

Force Shield 400

Fortitude 400

 

Name: Fortune Pack D Cost: 45 RP

Contents: 

Quest Finder 400

Merchant 400

Four Leaf 400

Find Item 400

Treasure Hunter 400

 

Name: Defense Pack D Cost: 30 RP

Contents: 

Evade 400

Absorb 400

Flinch 400

Rock Skin 400

 

 

Toreth's suggestions.

 

 

Name: Enchant Pack Cost: 75 RP

Contents: 

Enchant Amulet 200

Enchant Boots 200

Enchant Helmet 200

Enchant Ring 200

Enchant Rune 200

Enchant Shield 200

Enchant Weapon 200

Enchanted Armor200

Iron Fist 200

 

 

Name: Titan Pack Cost: 200 RP

Contents: 

Titan Doubler 200

Light Foot 600

Avert Gaze 200

Teleport 175

 

 

Name: Leveling Pack Cost: 100 RP

Contents: 

Stalker 400

Sacrifice 300

Overkill 350

Animal Magnetism 400

 

 

Name: Defense Pack Cost: 100 RP

Contents: 

Avenger 300

Stalwart Heart 300

Fortitude 200 (300 interferes with Promo and Arena potions.)

 

 

Name: Bounty Pack Cost: 100 RP

Contents: 

Anti Deflect 300 (400 interferes with Promo potions.)

Spell Breaker 250 (Invalidates invented potion?)

Retaliate 300

Undermine 300

 

 

Name: Fighter Pack Cost: 75 RP

Contents: 

Fist Fight 200

Critical Strike 250

Side Step 250

Riposte 200

Sharpen 200

 

 

~ Grim

 

Not bad! I highly recommend tuning Stalker from 400 > 800. We can already achieve stalker 345 relatively cheaply with composing. We have had a stalker 1000 potion in the game and I can safely say it wasn't that powerful. With offering stalker 800 people may be willing to use this pack outside of only 2x events.

Regardless nice price adjustments.

[BigGrim]

Not bad! I highly recommend tuning Stalker from 400 > 800. We can already achieve stalker 345 relatively cheaply with composing. We have had a stalker 1000 potion in the game and I can safely say it wasn't that powerful. With offering stalker 800 people may be willing to use this pack outside of only 2x events.

Regardless nice price adjustments.

The highest Stalker potion I see is 250? 

 

~ Grim

[shindrak]

 

 

Name: Titan Pack Cost: 200 RP

Contents: 

Titan Doubler 200

Light Foot 600

Avert Gaze 200

Teleport 175

Just added Teleport 175? thats available from buff market for 10k gold most of the time

Not a fan of Teleport higher than lvl 175 but you can reduce the price for this to like 30 RP As you can get Avert gaze and Titan doubler 203 from buff enhancer through the buff market or guildmate if you don't have access to buff enhancer.

 

Name: Defense Pack Cost: 100 RP

Contents: 

Avenger 300

Stalwart Heart 300

Fortitude 200 (300 interferes with Promo and Arena potions.)  Available as an egg lvl 300 ...

Also expensive for not that game killing buffs . make it 50 RP

 

Edited by shindrak, 26 January 2024 - 16:30.

[EpicPiety]

The highest Stalker potion I see is 250? 

 

~ Grim

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[TheCount]

The highest Stalker potion I see is 250? 

 

~ Grim

There is level 300 Stalker from Composing. Raising the level of Stalker from 400 to 800 is a large increase in XP gain. The price should be increased accordingly since this is likely the only RP pack that will be used regularly by any guild in the game. It should not be the equivalent of 50 FSP to buff an entire guild with a best in slot leveling buff for 12 hours. The same could be said for the Treasure Hunter and Merchant packs, the RP cost there would easily be offset by one member of the guild doing a gold hunt.

Everyone is going to want things to be cheaper if they can get it that way. That doesn't mean doing so will help achieve what the RP updates are meant to do, which is bring value to RP and GvG if I'm not mistaken.

[EpicPiety]

There is level 300 Stalker from Composing. Raising the level of Stalker from 400 to 800 is a large increase in XP gain. The price should be increased accordingly since this is likely the only RP pack that will be used regularly by any guild in the game. It should not be the equivalent of 50 FSP to buff an entire guild with a best in slot leveling buff for 12 hours. The same could be said for the Treasure Hunter and Merchant packs, the RP cost there would easily be offset by one member of the guild doing a gold hunt.

Everyone is going to want things to be cheaper if they can get it that way. That doesn't mean doing so will help achieve what the RP updates are meant to do, which is bring value to RP and GvG if I'm not mistaken.

It's not a large XP gain, but sure can adjust the pack price.

[fugrnugget]

I'm concerned about the treasure hunter/merchant pack even with the increase in price. As others have said, the relative cost of 45 RP (if we use market rates for RP items, then 50-60 fsp by my estimation) is very low compared to the benefits that it provides. If even one member burns a decent amount of stamina (75k) it more than makes up for cost incurred for the guild. Obviously this economy effect would be compounded even more for larger guilds, who can afford to gvg more frequently and run the pack for more members as well. I recall that the original rationale for not allowing buff enhancer to increase the level of treasure hunter/merchant was potentially adverse and unknown impacts to game economy, and I think this new pack should be considered with the same scrutiny.

 

I propose to either decrease the power or increase the cost of this pack. Right now the highest level obtainable for these buffs, excluding the 500 level exclusive Christmas buff, is 200/200 also from an RP pack. I suggest changing the cost to 50 RP and the buffs to 300/300 (and getting rid of the 35
RP cost 300/300 pack), which would keep the package relatively obtainable and still a substantial upgrade from the existing package. Alternatively, if the buffs are to remain at 400/400, I would recommend increasing the RP cost quite a bit, perhaps to 100 or 150. I am less in favor of increasing the RP because it makes the pack less accessible especially to smaller guilds, but it would reduce the frequency at which the larger guilds could run the pack as well. Obviously for this approach the 300/300 pack would need a price increase as well, perhaps to 45 or 50.

Edited by fugrnugget, 26 January 2024 - 23:22.

[EpicPiety]

I'm concerned about the treasure hunter/merchant pack even with the increase in price. As others have said, the relative cost of 45 RP (if we use market rates for RP items, then 50-60 fsp by my estimation) is very low compared to the benefits that it provides. If even one member burns a decent amount of stamina (75k) it more than makes up for cost incurred for the guild. Obviously this economy effect would be compounded even more for larger guilds, who can afford to gvg more frequently and run the pack for more members as well. I recall that the original rationale for not allowing buff enhancer to increase the level of treasure hunter/merchant was potentially adverse and unknown impacts to game economy, and I think this new pack should be considered with the same scrutiny.

 

I propose to either decrease the power or increase the cost of this pack. Right now the highest level obtainable for these buffs, excluding the 500 level exclusive Christmas buff, is 200/200 also from an RP pack. I suggest changing the cost to 50 RP and the buffs to 300/300 (and getting rid of the 35
RP cost 300/300 pack), which would keep the package relatively obtainable and still a substantial upgrade from the existing package. Alternatively, if the buffs are to remain at 400/400, I would recommend increasing the RP cost quite a bit, perhaps to 100 or 150. I am less in favor of increasing the RP because it makes the pack less accessible especially to smaller guilds, but it would reduce the frequency at which the larger guilds could run the pack as well. Obviously for this approach the 300/300 pack would need a price increase as well, perhaps to 45 or 50.

Increased GvG = increased repair costs

It also costs time/stamina to generate RP

Gold has been pouring out of the game. For those tracking the top lists they know gold is disappearing fairly quickly. If scavenging hasn't fallen out of favor it would be even worse. These RP packs will not tilt the scale, there will still be gold sunk. The only reason it hasn't been sunk faster is due to all those multi's that we all see in plain daylight filtering gold in AH to their mains.

[BigGrim]

Feedback

Honestly, I have no problem raising the cost on this. A jump to 200 maybe? 300 feels excessive?

 

~ Grim

[vikingv]

Do what you think is right, and I have no control on the expenditure of my guild RP, but be careful about pricing packs out of reach. Recently you redid the Loyalty potions, and I haven't bought one of the new ones due to obscene prices. What is the use of making packs if they aren't used? 

[BigGrim]

These were priced with player feedback, same as the Loyalty Potions. 

 

~ Grim

[vikingv]

Your words are not incorrect. A VERY small number of players gave feedback, which the administrators accepted. I just wonder if 10 players are a sufficiently broad representation of the full number of players of the game.

[BigGrim]

Your words are not incorrect. A VERY small number of players gave feedback, which the administrators accepted. I just wonder if 10 players are a sufficiently broad representation of the full number of players of the game.

Then get more of your fellows to provide feedback?

 

~ Grim

[Alisa]

Thanks for the update!

Why not add a new exclusive enchantment cap increase for temporal shift and remove teleport from Titan Pack?

Edited by Alisa, 01 February 2024 - 11:19.

[Gannu2255]

Honestly, I have no problem raising the cost on this. A jump to 200 maybe? 300 feels excessive?

 

~ Grim

i Guess Fortune packs are useless now as price jumped from what like 30-45 to player feedback of 100-150 to direct admin thoughts of 200-300? 
I do not really know how many guilds will use it if its not at all reachable.