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[Sinho6]

FallenSword Guide states that the drop rate for Water Rune Fragments is 10%; I've been killing Water Elemental (Champion)s for a while now, at least 100 kills with FI 840 and RF 210, and not a single drop.

 

Could a member of HCS look into the drop rate please? Assuming the drop rate of 10% is entirely unaffected by FI and RF (which is false), the chance of 100 kills without a single drop is about 0.0027% or so.

 

Edit: Auto-Frag eats Resource drops. Could HCS look into adding another check and then preventing Auto-Frag from doing its job if the item is a Quest Item or Resource? Thanks!

Edited by Sinho6, 04 May 2014 - 22:32.

[Pardoux]

FallenSword Guide states that the drop rate for Water Rune Fragments is 10%; I've been killing Water Elemental (Champion)s for a while now, at least 100 kills with FI 840 and RF 210, and not a single drop.

 

Could a member of HCS look into the drop rate please? Assuming the drop rate of 10% is entirely unaffected by FI and RF (which is false), the chance of 100 kills without a single drop is about 0.0027% or so.

 

Auto-drop ?

[gomezkilla]

FallenSword Guide states that the drop rate for Water Rune Fragments is 10%; I've been killing Water Elemental (Champion)s for a while now, at least 100 kills with FI 840 and RF 210, and not a single drop.

 

Could a member of HCS look into the drop rate please? Assuming the drop rate of 10% is entirely unaffected by FI and RF (which is false), the chance of 100 kills without a single drop is about 0.0027% or so.

Wow.  .0027% of that happening, you must be VERY unlucky!  .... or auto-drop is switched on.

[Sinho6]

I have no Auto Discard level set; all my preferences are 'Keep' except Rare items which are set to 'Fragment'... Water Rune Fragments is a Resource item which cannot be fragmented so I'm sure that's not the problem.

 

To be fair, I have the 'Auto-Open Fragment Stashes' option checked, but I doubt that will affect Resource drops... and I swear I have done a quest since the last global which involved resources and inventing, so I don't think that option is interfering with anything either.

Edited by Sinho6, 04 May 2014 - 22:12.

[Pardoux]

Try turning off FI then - if you just want the resource, you've more chance WITHOUT Find Item

[Sinho6]

Hmm strange. You guys were correct, the preference that was screwing up the drop rate was the Auto-Fragment for Rare items. Water Rune Fragments is Rare and it's a Resource, but somehow Auto-Frag deletes them without giving any shards for them.

 

I do feel that this should be fixed however... I don't think Resources should be destroyed under Auto-Frag, especially since they have no fragments to give!

 

Edit: Pardoux, correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that two separate rolls are done. First, the game uses FI to increase the drop rate of ALL items; since Water Elemental (Champion) has no other items, I get one chance to loot Water Rune Fragments. If I fail, the game does a second roll with RF, so I don't see how FI could hurt.

Edited by Sinho6, 04 May 2014 - 22:21.

[Pardoux]

Edit: Pardoux, correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that two separate rolls are done. First, the game uses FI to increase the drop rate of ALL items; since Water Elemental (Champion) has no other items, I get one chance to loot Water Rune Fragments. If I fail, the game does a second roll with RF, so I don't see how FI could hurt.

 

On paper, yes, that's how I understand it too ...

 

In reality, I know that if I'm looking for just resource drops, I have more success without Find Item running

[rowbeth]

FI increases the drop rate for items (not resources), while RF gives a 2nd roll *if* there is no drop from the first.

 

So FI will make RF less effective: more item drops first time around mean there are fewer 2nd rolls to try again for a resource.

 

(But in the absence of RF, FI will not change the drop rate for resources)

[yodamus]

check to make sure you are not auto-fraging them