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[Hoofmaster]

Making really good progress with the Daily Quests - will have a preview of them very soon!

[Josh1404]

Making really good progress with the Daily Quests - will have a preview of them very soon!

Great to hear your continuing work on them. Can't wait to try them out myself. Thanks for your work towards something new. 

 

Also on a slightly off topic note is anyone else getting a weird bold font on the text sometimes when loading a page or reloading a page? I have had it a few times now. On the FSbox, guild members and chat on the sidebar. Just thought I would mention it as I didn't want to start a new thread for a tiny bug.

 

... Maybe it's just me?

Edited by Josh1404, 24 August 2016 - 19:07.

[EpicPiety]

Could be FSH

[Josh1404]

Could be FSH

I don't use it. Tried 2 different computers and 2 different browsers to try ascertain if it is an issue on my part. Seemingly not but nobody else seems to have it as of yet.

[Pardoux]

I don't use it. Tried 2 different computers and 2 different browsers to try ascertain if it is an issue on my part. Seemingly not but nobody else seems to have it as of yet.

 

It's happening to me too - tried it with FSH enabled and disabled, still there.

[Egami]

So looking over a lot of the comments, yeah... I get the feeling that most of these "anti-stam bank" comments are missing a few important points:

 

1. You realize they are daily, right? 

2. You fully realize how those crazy people maxing their stam has benefitted you, personally, as a player and will lead to further benefits, right? 

3. You realize that you don't have to do them for any reason whatsoever, right?

4. You realize that the most logical interpretation of your suggestion is simply that everyone in game should be reset to level one with those benefits, right? 

 

Rant over. Game not. Please don't work hard to switch the placing of the nouns. 

[yodamus]

So looking over a lot of the comments, yeah... I get the feeling that most of these "anti-stam bank" comments are missing a few important points:

 

1. You realize they are daily, right? 

2. You fully realize how those crazy people maxing their stam has benefitted you, personally, as a player and will lead to further benefits, right? 

3. You realize that you don't have to do them for any reason whatsoever, right?

4. You realize that the most logical interpretation of your suggestion is simply that everyone in game should be reset to level one with those benefits, right? 

 

Rant over. Game not. Please don't work hard to switch the placing of the nouns. 

1)..most posts about stam banks are about daily events not daily quests...and yes the events are to be daily...but if after a few daily events ..players see they have little chance to compete against the huge stam banks...you defeat the purpose of the whole idea.....we all want to play..but playing in a competition that is rigged for the higher stam banks is not the way to go...

 

2). how has someones elses huge stam bank helped me..besides global events..

 

3) really ????  no wonder we are losing players, and cant get players to join arena,ladder etc....telling players they dont have participate ???

 

4)  no...just want the daily events to be fair for everyone...is that hard for you to accept ?

Edited by yodamus, 25 August 2016 - 14:58.

[Subject]

1)..most posts about stam banks are about daily events not daily quests...and yes the events are to be daily...but if after a few daily events ..players see they have little chance to compete against the huge stam banks...you defeat the purpose of the whole idea.....we all want to play..but playing in a competition that is rigged for the higher stam banks is not the way to go...
 
2). how has someones elses huge stam bank helped me..besides global events..
 
3) really ????  no wonder we are losing players, and cant get players to join arena,ladder etc....telling players they dont have participate ???
 
4)  no...just want the daily events to be fair for everyone...is that hard for you to accept ?

" Rigged " for those who have Large stam banks!? I worked hard for my stam and I mean in real life at my JOB and decided to donate to upgrade my player also work hard in game merchanting and saving up to upgrade stamina as well. You want to compete with the higher stam players do something about your own characters stamina stop complaining about how little stamina you or anyother player have it is not my fault nor anyone else's for that matter... HCS gives EVERYONE the fair opportunity to upgrade character whether it be upgrades via donations or through hard work saving up.. So please cut the whole your player is better than mine because I don't have as much as you so I can't compete rant it's getting tiresome and old

[yodamus]

" Rigged " for those who have Large stam banks!? I worked hard for my stam and I mean in real life at my JOB and decided to donate to upgrade my player also work hard in game merchanting and saving up to upgrade stamina as well. You want to compete with the higher stam players do something about your own characters stamina stop complaining about how little stamina you or anyother player have it is not my fault nor anyone else's for that matter... HCS gives EVERYONE the fair opportunity to upgrade character whether it be upgrades via donations or through hard work saving up.. So please cut the whole your player is better than mine because I don't have as much as you so I can't compete rant it's getting tiresome and old

you missed the entire point !!!  does everyone have the same opportunity ? really...some have money and time to play 24/7 .some dont...so you say..those that are rich and can play 24/7 deserve to have more than others..? typical of the world we live in...

[Mister Doom]

So essentially you're saying that there should be no advantage to upgrading your character?

 

I strongly suggest you take a step back, and actually think about what you are saying.

[rowbeth]

There is a space between "no advantage to upgrading" and "no chance to compete with the upgraded". This thread is moving to polarised extremes, and that really isn't helpful.

 

I hope there will be some dailies that benefit large stam banks, and some that don't---and perhaps even some that have options/milestones for both.

[yodamus]

So essentially you're saying that there should be no advantage to upgrading your character?

 

I strongly suggest you take a step back, and actually think about what you are saying.

no..all of you with big stam banks have lots of advantages ALREADY in the game and DESERVE THEM....but with player counts dwindling everyday , it makes no sense to disenfranchise the newer players and those with less stam banks on something NEW to the game...that is my point ...we need players..we need them to stay..if they see unfairness..they will leave..do you understand that ? i am with the post above me..there should be something for everyone..big or small stam banks..not just for big stam banks..that is was i am trying to say..

Edited by yodamus, 25 August 2016 - 18:54.

[Egami]

2). how has someones elses huge stam bank helped me..besides global events..

 

I'm not going to bother with the rest, but this seemed really key to me:

 

I'm going to just assume you have no one in your Guild that has one (not sure if you'd consider my 20k to be so) and no allies either. Based on that assumption:

 

1. Lower prices in the Buff Market.

 

2. All those higher stam banks means that either people have donated to the game, thus helping to fund your game experience, and/or dumped gold on the upgrade which helps to make FSPs cheaper for the entire FS community.

 

you missed the entire point !!!  does everyone have the same opportunity ? really...some have money and time to play 24/7 .some dont...so you say..those that are rich and can play 24/7 deserve to have more than others..? typical of the world we live in...

 

I am not rich and I do not play 24/7, though sometimes it seems like it, lmao. 

 

Sorry about the world you live in, but yes, those with dedication deserve more. 

 

So essentially you're saying that there should be no advantage to upgrading your character?

 

I strongly suggest you take a step back, and actually think about what you are saying.

 

Applauds.

 

I hope there will be some dailies that benefit large stam banks, and some that don't---and perhaps even some that have options/milestones for both.

 

This will be the interesting part to see before some get their panties in an uproar. 

 

My whole point about them being daily regardless of the prize was that assumptions that large stam banks are willing or even could participate on a daily basis don't seem very logical to me. 

 

Which ones they go for will probably depend on the reward, as is natural. 

 

Stam burnt? That's the key and it makes no matter how much you have. Each player, no matter what their level, or their stam will decide.

 

we need players..we need them to stay..if they see unfairness..they will leave...

 

Every time this type of post comes up, I wonder where the info comes from. 

 

Imagine a new player comes in and says, "I'll never be the best here, so I'm leaving".

 

Do you really want them to stay? I don't. Not with that attitude. 

 

Personally, I would hope that FS players have the opportunity to help them learn about different game aspects and direct them towards things that they enjoy and can work to excel at.

 

The entire reason I like this proposal, though I'm concerned about HCS actually being able to deliver on the "daily" idea, is that it will get players to come back on a daily basis. 

 

Lower level stam players already tend to, in my experience, because there is something for them to do every day.

 

No matter how this pans out, I think there is a high chance that player activity could increase no matter what their level of stam. 

 

We'll see. Thanks Hoof, I hope it works.

[Morgwyn]

I am just going to repeat myself that the most important thing about daily events, is having something to do every day. And I am refering to the non-competitive part here. That part is way more important for the game than the competitive part.  

The competitive part has a big chance of seeing the same players (rotating) in the top list in a certain time frame. It will be interesting to see how HCS will solve that. But as I said, the other part is far more interesting as it helps tying players to the game - if implemented correctly.

[yotwehc]

1)..most posts about stam banks are about daily events not daily quests...and yes the events are to be daily...but if after a few daily events ..players see they have little chance to compete against the huge stam banks...you defeat the purpose of the whole idea.....we all want to play..but playing in a competition that is rigged for the higher stam banks is not the way to go...

 

2). how has someones elses huge stam bank helped me..besides global events..

 

3) really ????  no wonder we are losing players, and cant get players to join arena,ladder etc....telling players they dont have participate ???

 

4)  no...just want the daily events to be fair for everyone...is that hard for you to accept ?

Yoda - You know I like you and consider you one of the good guys... (here comes the big but)

 

But! We need to support both. I think GE's are a great example of how both get rewarded. Small stam bank folks get awesome rewards despite minimal participation. Big stam bank folk get bonus rewards.

 

It has been suggested that we should have 2 type of events... Obviously first priority should go to the simple daily events that give mini rewards that any player can accomplish. The 2nd type of event could be the "competitive" event that maybe goes a week or a month and has a leaderboard (for bragging purposes or medals) and possibly a small reward or no reward. Could be themed on the various activities we can play in game. Sky's the limit...

 

This shouldn't be a THIS or THAT argument. Let's go for both now that we have some developers back

 

And keep it positive ;-p

[hades8840]

All i can say is wow no wonder we have a messed up world because no matter what we do or what is said no one is ever greatful.

 

i have a big stam bank i worked hard for my stam i didnt get a credit card out but fair to those who can i worked my butt of doing anything that made fsp and then i invested in me.. knowing full well the more stam i have the more space i have the more i can earn and again invest in me.. will i wipe the floor with many players when the daily events come out yep i will for about a few days events then i will be with the rest of the mortals using what stam i gain daily...the whole whining about big stam banks is stupid because the stam gain isnt unlimited we are ALL held by the same constraints .. if players quit doing the events cause they was beaten well then tuff... because there is always going to be someone better and bigger then the previous person..and the only way you will win is by trying and adapting and waiting your time

[HappyDays]

I wonder about the long term effects of this daily activities for reward, the game pits you against the rest of the game for said reward.  That would lead to the simple question, if it is all about giving people something to do and rewarding them to keep them active. Why are you throwing them into a pit against vastly more well equipped people with large stam banks who will probably hardcore grind this. 

 

Let me introduce imaginary Tommy, imaginary tommy gets a list for the day of his daily quests and if he does said quests get's x reward. Tommy goes off to do them and get's his reward helping him on his journey. 

 

Let me introduce you to imaginary Tommy, imaginary Tommy gets a list for the day of his daily quests where he must beat out the most hardcore rabid lot to get a top prize. imaginary Tommy as shown in the past, just stops doing them and ends participation. Reward to time wasted = no point.

 

Who will benefit of this "daily quests", the few hardcore you already have playing.

 

Who will you not gain, no one who has quit a game because they are bored of the mechanics are in my eyes ever returning to use said mechanics to gain rewards in a game they have gotten bored with/quit because of said mechanics. Daily quests will probably not retain new players in said format.  So essentially you are getting the people who already play, they play this and then of the playing population the people who have no chance will just pack it in after a while because of grind and no point.

 

Back to where you started.

 

Purely one mans opinion so don't feel the need to stab me to death. My words will not sway the end result and if it turns out to be a roaring success. I was just plain wrong. Happens. 

[duktayp]

this is imaginary Tommy

 

it is his opinion this ristorante will get more people to visit their place of business if they cater to people in his situation

 

my point being that to stay open they must generate a profit, and you can't do that by catering to players like imaginary Tommy 

[HappyDays]

Imaginary tommy was an example to display what a general player will probably do in two given scenarios just in my opinion, no one elses. Imaginary tommy was not at a restaurant. But I guess you had a pic laying around gathering dust and felt overwhelmed to try and jam it in somewhere . But your point of view from your pic and homeless dude portrays exactly what I assume you try to convey. One section of the game is better and they deserve to be catered to. 

 

I thought daily quests was about generating activity and keeping the game going, if it as just about catering to a specific section as the game winds down, my mistake. 

[yotwehc]

Imaginary tommy was an example to display what a general player will probably do in two given scenarios just in my opinion, no one elses. Imaginary tommy was not at a restaurant. But I guess you had a pic laying around gathering dust and felt overwhelmed to try and jam it in somewhere . But your point of view from your pic and homeless dude portrays exactly what I assume you try to convey. One section of the game is better and they deserve to be catered to.

I thought daily quests was about generating activity and keeping the game going, if it as just about catering to a specific section as the game winds down, my mistake.

Why not both?