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#41 EpicPiety

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Posted 26 December 2022 - 03:12

I dunno, it was pretty funny when you were on the ladder with people that played. Waking up, alarms much? Instant buffing, pots drank very quickly yourself and now this?

 

Also, can you explain what part of the Dev co-sign is? Which Dev said it was ok, was it regarding the ladder or what you did to boost to 6k?

I'm not the first person to level over EOC to a new ladder. If that isn't a cosign then idk what is.

Everyone wants information and I don't owe anyone a lesson how to level :). Consider applying to my guild and I may be willing to teach you if you get in prop. Feel free to put in an application on our discord if you can manage it.

However part of me thinks you wouldn't be willing to surrender yourself as a student anyway. These are the most difficult kind of people to teach. If you are interested in joining high level game theory conversations you may want to consider surrendering yourself to those who know what they are talking about. Otherwise you can remain in your box shaking your fist.


Edited by EpicPiety, 26 December 2022 - 03:15.


#42 Prop

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Posted 26 December 2022 - 03:16

I don't want to be your student or anywhere near you to be honest. It all stinks a bit of sadness.



#43 EpicPiety

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Posted 26 December 2022 - 03:17

I don't want to be your student or anywhere near you to be honest. It all stinks a bit of sadness.

I find this statement quite comical because you can't stay away from me in reality. It's quite obvious through combing through fsbox and threads on the forums. 

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and your family Prop.


Edited by EpicPiety, 26 December 2022 - 03:19.


#44 Prop

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Posted 26 December 2022 - 03:23

lol. ok boss.



#45 shindrak

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Posted 26 December 2022 - 11:31

What really happened so people worried about the ladder now?

 

Tons of players got their dominance medals at lower ladders without giving any noticeable effort

The problem has been there since The ladder added to the game  more clones and more inactive players sitting on ladders and the players who win brag about their medals from hitting players who don't return hits...

 

It is really discouraging when these players come to the forum and start pointing fingers at you for playing the game as it was built.


Edited by shindrak, 26 December 2022 - 19:07.


#46 yghorbeviahn

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Posted 26 December 2022 - 15:58

Kinda related to the topic, I think that after lvl 5000 the brackets can be extended to 1000 instead of 500.

About the topic itself, the system is in place for years, don't need to change just because someone did it, if people were really concerned about this, it should've been discussed way in the past

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Posted 26 December 2022 - 22:54


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#48 Maehdros

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Posted 27 December 2022 - 00:15

EP…
You couldn’t PvP worth an asses hat without you loud mouth!! Drop some levels and come play hardcore bud!! Maybe grab a medal you didn’t buy!! You’re a joke!! Laughed at by very many!! Come play with the big dawgs and earn some medals the way the game was supposed to be played!! Lmao what a joke!!



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#49 PointyHair

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Posted 27 December 2022 - 00:42

i would have thought it would be relatively easy to enforce that you have to make at least one hit to be eligible to qualify on your ladder? that would solve at least some of the issues right?

i mean, how can you get pvp tokens if you don't pvp?



#50 EpicPiety

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Posted 27 December 2022 - 06:04

Yea it is an easy change but the issue with the ladder is that it needs an entire overhaul not just one tiny insignificant change. If the only change they make is something as insignificant as this the ladder is doomed. There really isn't much difference between strategically positioning yourself on inactive an ladder doing 1 10 stam hit against inactives afk farming tokens.

  • There needs to be something worth the cost of competition.
  • There needs to be something that discourages people deleveling to inactive brackets where at most they have to do 1 10 stam hit. (This has been going on for over a decade and no one has been outraged over this. The entire ladder system encourages inactivity. On a lot of the ladders there will be one person who does 1 10 stam hit and there are 2-3 other AFK joiners that sit there to farm pvp tokens because why not.)
  • Lets also not forget about the ladders that are just full of guild mates where they rotate every reset because they cannot attack each other.
  • We are still waiting for some buff balance, specifically on the chance buffs.
  • There needs to be some sort of element of fun, the ladder is pretty stale.
  • If you ask me, you shouldn't win the ladder if you ended up first in the last couple of seconds. It should take into consideration time spent in each ranking position throughout

I'm sure there is more that I'm missing.

 


Edited by EpicPiety, 27 December 2022 - 06:05.


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Posted 27 December 2022 - 13:59

Wow. Ok I think this Forum Post has gotten a bit outta hand. I’m officially done Reading this Forum post and commenting on it as it went from a concern to players just talking **** about each other.

Congrats to EP on the 6k and Wish everyone else the best as well.


It’s a game people. Win some Lose some.

#52 duktayp

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Posted 27 December 2022 - 17:35

...... It’s a game people. 

 



#53 vastilos

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Posted 15 January 2023 - 16:48

If I'm not mistaken, this exact issue was brought up back in 2010-2012 and Hoof himself made a change to the ladders so you have to make an attack for ticks to count towards any medal you get from the ladder because people were in a ladder bracket with nobody else at all or had people not attacking while on the ladder and were earning those ticks towards a medal or medals without doing anything at all. And yes, people did complain about other people earning those free ticks towards any medal you get on the ladder, which is why it was changed.

So unless this rule was changed between that time and now, sitting on a ladder all by yourself and earning any type of medal shouldn't be allowed.


Edited by vastilos, 15 January 2023 - 16:52.


#54 moneypants

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Posted 07 April 2023 - 05:16

Theres not one comment from hcs on this. why? its still a problem and its unfair 



#55 Tilley10

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Posted 09 April 2023 - 21:22

If you are unhappy with the situation you have a few choices:

  • Level up to their range and opt into the PvP Ladder
  • Do nothing and play the game

Nothing is stopping anyone else from also leveling up to 5,500 or 6,000 - both of those players did it so it is clearly possible. Not right to punish them for playing the game how they want.

 

PvP Ladder has needed a huge overhaul for many years now - maybe with this happening, people will be more willing to look at overhauling the system.

Bump.



#56 KitiaraLi

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Posted 17 April 2023 - 06:37

If I'm not mistaken, this exact issue was brought up back in 2010-2012 and Hoof himself made a change to the ladders so you have to make an attack for ticks to count towards any medal you get from the ladder because people were in a ladder bracket with nobody else at all or had people not attacking while on the ladder and were earning those ticks towards a medal or medals without doing anything at all. And yes, people did complain about other people earning those free ticks towards any medal you get on the ladder, which is why it was changed.

So unless this rule was changed between that time and now, sitting on a ladder all by yourself and earning any type of medal shouldn't be allowed.

Ah yes, I recall that as well. Even says so in the description of how the ladder works (for those who care to read that is);

"Note that only players who have either attacked or defended will be included in the ladder."

As much as the thread has been derailed from the get go this is not about WHO is doing what (although there is something about knowingly "abusing/using" in the TOS), it is only about WHO is not making the system work as intended, and described - oh, and also not responding nor reacting to stuff like this; HCS.

There should be NO medal ticks, nor tokens earned - if you do not attack nor defend. Simple. Now go fix it!


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#57 basti7

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Posted 17 April 2023 - 09:34

Do NOT punish people for playing their own way 

And EP already said it: Gvg and PvP are nowadays just pay to win. Throwing in the biggest pots. So I really do not care if HCS fix "problems" like medal ticks or levelling during ladder or not. Level up in their range and stop crying.  :rolleyes:



#58 Tilley10

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Posted 18 April 2023 - 23:33

Ah yes, I recall that as well. Even says so in the description of how the ladder works (for those who care to read that is);

"Note that only players who have either attacked or defended will be included in the ladder."

As much as the thread has been derailed from the get go this is not about WHO is doing what (although there is something about knowingly "abusing/using" in the TOS), it is only about WHO is not making the system work as intended, and described - oh, and also not responding nor reacting to stuff like this; HCS.

There should be NO medal ticks, nor tokens earned - if you do not attack nor defend. Simple. Now go fix it!

 

If you are unhappy with the situation you have a few choices:

  • Level up to their range and opt into the PvP Ladder
  • Do nothing and play the game

Nothing is stopping anyone else from also leveling up to 5,500 or 6,000 - both of those players did it so it is clearly possible. Not right to punish them for playing the game how they want.

 

PvP Ladder has needed a huge overhaul for many years now - maybe with this happening, people will be more willing to look at overhauling the system.

 

Bump.



#59 KitiaraLi

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Posted 20 April 2023 - 05:26

Bump.

Yeah, your perception of things does not really change the reality of things.

 

Doing the wrong thing, just because you can, does not make it right, and in this game once resulted in a ban... or at the very least the attention of the developers.


No one can deny that we changed this game and influenced it in such a way that NO ONE could compete with us.. so much so that they changed the rules. ~Abhorrence, chosen founder of Cerulean Sins



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