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[Athy]

First of all.... Reindeer antlers on elves? Ooooooooookay? Should've just given us bright red noses and called us Rudolph instead of Sylvan.

Second... Spirits getting KS on top of Unholy terror is bull. Slim chance to hit them in the first place, then they resurrect? If this sticks then you HAVE to give elves the equiv of the UT skill in return instead of that horrible, ridiculous, crappy potion skill (which elves rallied against in the suggestions and is now made void by the fact that we can now heal anyways) to make it fair again. If they get our best skill, why can't we get theirs?

Third... Boots. They've waited too long for a minuscule little boost like that... You can't even be serious with those sexy +10 bonuses :roll:... Especially considering the restriction. Give it x10 the current bonus and then we'll talk.

Fourth... Seraphs getting a key Infernal skill.... No. Just no. You just can't give away a key aspect of a class to a different class (See above).

Fifth... The Blood of All skill is still not worth it. Infernals will still spend ap after ap trying to collect blood. The only thing that changed is that they no longer have to go slumming around Gothador looking for little newbie humans. Whatever happened to Extreme Thirst? 7 blood in 2ap would've been the better deal, even if they still went slumming to get it.

Also the length of the quests? Just made me laugh... Kill 50x or 60x this critter and bingo! What happened to the complication that made third and fourth tier so much satisfaction to get? After collecting all those key parts... Then those stones... Now we just gotta kill x critters?

So overall 2 classes got screwed (Diabolic, Sylvan), 2 classes got off just fine (Juggernaut, Shade), and the other 2 classes got lucky by receiving other class skills making it completely unfair and screwing over every Kindred/Infernal player in the game (Lich, Seraph).

I don't even know what to say to this.... Waited years for the update, apparently 3-4 months of data collection/planning, then a couple weeks for implementation to get this bull-oney? I think we all would've gladly waited another month or two for some DECENT 5th tier quests/boots update, instead of this... this... atrocity.

Currently, I'm canceling all 6 of my subs except this one and even she's hanging by a thin thread... Only keeping her subbed at the moment for the cult but if things don't change, she will vanish as well.

[uriahheap]

Hey! A win today for the little guy! *Waits for the other shoe to drop*

[DarkOrion]

First, thanks for the update. Any major content update is highly appreciated.

For my demonic class, I can't say that I'm not happy with the general concept of "easier to get blood." That said, even if it was still limited to humans (and monks was it?) I think that receiving blood with every kill (or even some) might be somewhat more useful. It would reduce wasting AP for specifically biting, and would made it easier for mages to get blood - since biting is an atk/def thing, and therefore we mages have significantly fewer viable targets for biting than warrior demons.

I can't speak for other classes, since I've never played any other alts seriously, I don't know anything about what is more powerful and who's been gypped more . .

I'm also not going to complain about the level 15,000 minimum that's been reported. Yeah, I think it's a bit high, but that's largely because I've neglected leveling. I certainly don't expect it to take another 10 years to reach 15k (it took me 5 to get to 5k).

In summary: thank you for the effort, here's my feedback.

[Debrutsid]

Let me correct all you mongers. UT is the ONLY skill undead have that works or is useful, and how long was that not even working. I'll tell you. 6 months. And it's still not working 100%. Our 4th tier skill is 100% busted. For you to say "Undead got lucky" or that you want our "best" skill in return before you even see how ours works or at all for that matter... Blow a goat! Try going back to human for a while, I've seen some on the top 100 list it's possible..just do it and then imagine you teleport. That's the extent of our power right now. Then blow another goat.
PS- Iago, I think you did great, even if our quest isn't working yet I know you'll get it right!!!

[lasciel]

Let me correct all you mongers. UT is the ONLY skill undead have that works or is useful, and how long was that not even working. I'll tell you. 6 months. And it's still not working 100%. Our 4th tier skill is 100% busted. For you to say "Undead got lucky" or that you want our "best" skill in return before you even see how ours works or at all for that matter... Blow a goat! Try going back to human for a while, I've seen some on the top 100 list it's possible..just do it and then imagine you teleport. That's the extent of our power right now. Then blow another goat.
PS- Iago, I think you did great, even if our quest isn't working yet I know you'll get it right!!!

Get yourself a sandblaster, you've got the sahara down there Moira.

You say that UT is the only skill you have that works - how is that OUR fault that HCS hasn't fixed the bugs with YOUR damage skill yet? How does that even remotely justify taking the unique skill from another class, who are in NO way responsible for HCS not having fixed the issue with your damage skill and giving it to you? It doesn't. You can't justify it any way you slice it. Should HCS fix the bugs? Absolutely. Should HCS shove another classes' skill at you and let you feel entitled to it because they dropped the ball on fixing your other skill? HELL NO.

Complain all you want that HCS has failed to fix bugs with your class that they most definitely should fix, but don't try and argue that those bugs not being fixed makes you entitled to get the 4th tier skill from another class because you're not and no one is going to fly that flag for you.

[Debrutsid]

I think it does justify it. If you don't agree who cares? Quit if you're unhappy. What my point was: Dont go bitching and moaning about wanting UT. Two wrongs don't make a right, they make ugly children. And you're selfserving pompous ass is the first to snipe when I raise hell about an undead bug so again. Blow a goat.

[Debrutsid]

they were being sarcastic, sort of but they have a valid point. there were plenty of skill suggestions they could have gone with. they were not slamming the undead tier classes, they were just saying that demonics are the only tier with no uni1que skills.

[lasciel]

I think it does justify it. If you don't agree who cares? Quit if you're unhappy. What my point was: Dont go bitching and moaning about wanting UT. Two wrongs don't make a right, they make ugly children. And you're selfserving pompous ass is the first to snipe when I raise hell about an undead bug so again. Blow a goat.

Congratulations for pointing out to HCS that you're irrational if you genuinely believe you deserve to have the skills of another class because they haven't gotten around to fixing a bug with undead damage. How egotistical are you that you think you deserve to have another class penalised in order to make up for HCS not having fixed a bug for you. I mean honestly...if that's not tongue in cheek, seek some help.

As for the undead damage bug, I've spent quite a bit of time telling HCS exactly WHY it is a bug and WHY it needs to be fixed in support tickets...did you forget that of my 3 characters, 2 of them are spirits? You don't think that maybe I've got a wee bit invested in that bug getting fixed? Oh no wait I forgot, the only spirit in the game is Moira, bugs with the class can only be bought up by him and no one else remotely matters. My spirit characters are only alts, so maybe I should just close those tickets with a note to say "my mistake, no bug here because I'm not Moira so I can't speak for a spirit character having bugs" and let you go ahead with your OH SO SUCCESSFUL attempts at getting them fixed.

Spare me.

[Debrutsid]

I think it does justify it. If you don't agree who cares? Quit if you're unhappy. What my point was: Dont go bitching and moaning about wanting UT. Two wrongs don't make a right, they make ugly children. And you're selfserving pompous ass is the first to snipe when I raise hell about an undead bug so again. Blow a goat.

Congratulations for pointing out to HCS that you're irrational if you genuinely believe you deserve to have the skills of another class because they haven't gotten around to fixing a bug with undead damage. How egotistical are you that you think you deserve to have another class penalised in order to make up for HCS not having fixed a bug for you. I mean honestly...if that's not tongue in cheek, seek some help.

As for the undead damage bug, I've spent quite a bit of time telling HCS exactly WHY it is a bug and WHY it needs to be fixed in support tickets...did you forget that of my 3 characters, 2 of them are spirits? You don't think that maybe I've got a wee bit invested in that bug getting fixed? Oh no wait I forgot, the only spirit in the game is Moira, bugs with the class can only be bought up by him and no one else remotely matters. My spirit characters are only alts, so maybe I should just close those tickets with a note to say "my mistake, no bug here because I'm not Moira so I can't speak for a spirit character having bugs" and let you go ahead with your OH SO SUCCESSFUL attempts at getting them fixed.

Spare me.

I don't want someone elses skill you daft zealot. I am saying no one even knows how good the new Undead skill is cuz no one has it yet and already people are saying undead are "lucky" or that they want our skills. Everyone has no room to tantrum like children and say "our class is marginalized" or "they get all the good toys" Spare ME! Quit crying like little butthurt babies and quit... or play. You want changes? Don't act like you were raped, try being constructive. Where were the likes of you in the forums when I've brought about the undead bugs that have plagued us since the beginning? On the sidelines telling me to quit whining. Now I'm doing the same. Do us all a favor and take some Valium. Lots and lots.

[lasciel]

I don't want someone elses skill you daft zealot. I am saying no one even knows how good the new Undead skill is cuz no one has it yet

Of course we know how good it is - word for word, it is the Kindred Spirit 4th tier skill. Kindreds have had your skill for what...3+ years now? I'm fairly confident they know exactly how the skill works and that they'd know how good it is.

If you'd bothered to ever actually read what I've told you, you'll find that I've never told you NOT to try and get undead bugs fixed, I've only told you that the way you've gone about TRYING to get them fixed has been retarded. It's not enough to just say to HCS "you broke it - fix it!" and then hound them to do it in the SB or with those stupid sit-ins you used to do. You need to tell them WHAT is broken, WHY it is broken and HOW it can be fixed.

[Debrutsid]

I don't want someone elses skill you daft zealot. I am saying no one even knows how good the new Undead skill is cuz no one has it yet

Of course we know how good it is - word for word, it is the Kindred Spirit 4th tier skill. Kindreds have had your skill for what...3+ years now? I'm fairly confident they know exactly how the skill works and that they'd know how good it is.

If you'd bothered to ever actually read what I've told you, you'll find that I've never told you NOT to try and get undead bugs fixed, I've only told you that the way you've gone about TRYING to get them fixed has been retarded. It's not enough to just say to HCS "you broke it - fix it!" and then hound them to do it in the SB or with those stupid sit-ins you used to do. You need to tell them WHAT is broken, WHY it is broken and HOW it can be fixed.

I HAVE told them all of that in multiple multiple tickets. The sit ins and crap were to
raise other players awareness. You've never heard of an awareness campaign? You think if the tickets and emails worked I would have resorted to those things? Oh what a failure you are. I Have Been in touch with HCS during the last few weeks
discussing in detail the bugs. What do you know about how well the new undead skill is? Chances are it doesn't work anyways! I didn't suggest that skill. I don't want it. I just want to point out what brats you all are acting like. I want undead to have their own unique skills, and I want them to work. If you were looking for what I wanted which I don't think you ever care what other people want but that's pretty obvious. You just want some edge to exploit so you can get by without any work.

[Athy]

Of course we know how good it is - word for word, it is the Kindred Spirit 4th tier skill. Kindreds have had your skill for what...3+ years now? I'm fairly confident they know exactly how the skill works and that they'd know how good it is.

With the exception of the MP addition, of course.

While it may not be EXACTLY the kindred skill, it so closely resembles it that it might as well be the same thing. You still die and come back with 50% hp/mp, while we die and come back with 50% hp. The fact that its even SIMILAR is just cause for you guys not to have it. Plus the fact that they made it better for you guys by adding the 50% MP is an insult to the elf class.

[Howard The Duck]

moirai as much as i hate to agree with lasciel i find myself having to alot over the last few weeks because almost everything if not everything i have seen her say is right, you are going about it all wrong, and this is not the place for it. this is for feedback on 5th tier, not your undead bug issue. that is for the bugs section under the topic of officail bug report list. here is a link incase you forgot that:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=54714

and if you havent noticed under it iago wrote the following:

Known Bug List
- 'Turn Undead' bonus not working corrected versus other undead. [in progress]

meaning it is being looked into, so get over it.

as for feedback, i think that the skills given to every class but titan and shadow need to be looked over again, while elves get the ability to heal at safe havens, that alone is enough to satisfy me as an elf.
spirits however shouldnt get the kindred spirit ability. that just made them pretty much unbeatable.
and angels shouldnt be getting the ability to get rid of a virus without going to a cleric to do such.
as for the demons they pretty much got screwed.
and titans and shadows i would say are pretty well set.

[lasciel]

I don't want someone elses skill you daft zealot. I am saying no one even knows how good the new Undead skill is cuz no one has it yet

Of course we know how good it is - word for word, it is the Kindred Spirit 4th tier skill. Kindreds have had your skill for what...3+ years now? I'm fairly confident they know exactly how the skill works and that they'd know how good it is.

If you'd bothered to ever actually read what I've told you, you'll find that I've never told you NOT to try and get undead bugs fixed, I've only told you that the way you've gone about TRYING to get them fixed has been retarded. It's not enough to just say to HCS "you broke it - fix it!" and then hound them to do it in the SB or with those stupid sit-ins you used to do. You need to tell them WHAT is broken, WHY it is broken and HOW it can be fixed.

I HAVE told them all of that in multiple multiple tickets. The sit ins and crap were to
raise other players awareness. You've never heard of an awareness campaign? You think if the tickets and emails worked I would have resorted to those things? Oh what a failure you are. I Have Been in touch with HCS during the last few weeks
discussing in detail the bugs. What do you know about how well the new undead skill is? Chances are it doesn't work anyways! I didn't suggest that skill. I don't want it. I just want to point out what brats you all are acting like. I want undead to have their own unique skills, and I want them to work. If you were looking for what I wanted which I don't think you ever care what other people want but that's pretty obvious. You just want some edge to exploit so you can get by without any work.

Well then maybe HCS just don't like you, because I've never had any problems with tickets and haven't ever had to resort to sit ins and crap like that. Whether you suggested the skill for Lich or not is moot point - fact of the matter is, your class was given a skill that belongs to another class and that isn't fair to that class. Elves are not the ones that are responsible for the bugs in your class, they shouldn't have to suffer for you saying "oh well so what, this makes up HCS not fixing my bugs".

As above, we know exactly how the 5th tier Undead skill works, because the elves have been using it for the past 3+ years. It isn't a new development by any means...all they would've done was adjust the ID tags on the code to Lich instead of Kindred.

Me wanting an edge to exploit is laughable - if anything, this update makes my class just as difficult as it ever was and changes absolutely nothing for me with no edges whatsoever except that I've now seen my class have the last 2 skills it didn't have to share with anyone taken off it and passed around like party favours (that's not even taking into account the elves and having their big ticket 4th tier skill taken off them in return for a useless potion skill). If you consider THAT to be an edge, I'd hate to see what you consider a serious advantage...

You know Moira, if you take a bit of time to look at classes other than your own you might get a bit of a shock and realise that your class isn't the only one that has problems and at least your class' problems are being addressed and you've been told that HCS has a list of bugs they're working on fixing - right now, elves and demons have NO idea what is going on with the unfair situation we've been put in and whether anything will be done to rectify it or not.

[Howard The Duck]

I don't want someone elses skill you daft zealot. I am saying no one even knows how good the new Undead skill is cuz no one has it yet.

Well then maybe HCS just don't like you, because I've never had any problems with tickets and haven't ever had to resort to sit ins and crap like that. Whether you suggested the skill for Lich or not is moot point - fact of the matter is, your class was given a skill that belongs to another class and that isn't fair to that class. Elves are not the ones that are responsible for the bugs in your class, they shouldn't have to suffer for you saying "oh well so what, this makes up HCS not fixing my bugs".

As above, we know exactly how the 5th tier Undead skill works, because the elves have been using it for the past 3+ years. It isn't a new development by any means...all they would've done was adjust the ID tags on the code to Lich instead of Kindred.

Me wanting an edge to exploit is laughable - if anything, this update makes my class just as difficult as it ever was and changes absolutely nothing for me with no edges whatsoever except that I've now seen my class have the last 2 skills it didn't have to share with anyone taken off it and passed around like party favours (that's not even taking into account the elves and having their big ticket 4th tier skill taken off them in return for a useless potion skill). If you consider THAT to be an edge, I'd hate to see what you consider a serious advantage...

You know Moira, if you take a bit of time to look at classes other than your own you might get a bit of a shock and realise that your class isn't the only one that has problems and at least your class' problems are being addressed and you've been told that HCS has a list of bugs they're working on fixing - right now, elves and demons have NO idea what is going on with the unfair situation we've been put in and whether anything will be done to rectify it or not.

couldnt have said it better myself. moirai, stop look and listen. take your issues to the bugs page and quit complaining about them in the feedback page, this page is reserved for thoughts upon recent additions to the game not previous additions that arent working atm.

[Debrutsid]

I'm not trying to take your stupid ass skills. I don't want them. You all are acting like children. Yes they're looking into the undead bugs. AFTER HOW FRUCKING LONG YOU BABIES. Don't go bitching about wanting OUR SKILL just because they made a lapse in judgement and gave us yours. THAT'S NOT THE SOLUTION. WHAT FRUCKING UNFAIR SITUATION ARE YOU IN? ONE THAT HASN'T EVEN COME TO FRUITION BECAUSE THE LICH QUEST IS BROKEN!

1) Your problems are being addressed, I can assure you after that tantrum that most of you have been crying up they heard you.
2) Iago has been thrust headfirst into Gothador; a game that is older than his employment with HCS. Give him HALF a chance to change things instead of gouging your own eyes out at the first hint that you're being marginalized.
3) Giving UT to Elves doesn't correct giving Undeads Kindred Spirit, even if the name sounds like it should.
4) How can you cry that you're being treated unfairly. Seriously. There are half a dozen reasons this sentiment is a farce.
5) Quit, the lot of you.

[Howard The Duck]

I'm not trying to take your stupid ass skills. I don't want them. You all are acting like children. Yes they're looking into the undead bugs. AFTER HOW FRUCKING LONG YOU BABIES. Don't go bitching about wanting OUR SKILL just because they made a lapse in judgement and gave us yours. THAT'S NOT THE SOLUTION. WHAT FRUCKING UNFAIR SITUATION ARE YOU IN? ONE THAT HASN'T EVEN COME TO FRUITION BECAUSE THE LICH QUEST IS BROKEN!

1) Your problems are being addressed, I can assure you after that tantrum that most of you have been crying up they heard you.
2) Iago has been thrust headfirst into Gothador; a game that is older than his employment with HCS. Give him HALF a chance to change things instead of gouging your own eyes out at the first hint that you're being marginalized.
3) Giving UT to Elves doesn't correct giving Undeads Kindred Spirit, even if the name sounds like it should.
4) How can you cry that you're being treated unfairly. Seriously. There are half a dozen reasons this sentiment is a farce.
5) Quit, the lot of you.

first of all we arent saying we want your skills. and we are saying we are being treated unfiarly but not just at your expense. I for 1 as well as many others have 1 char of each class and most of them have 1 in each subclass of each class. the elves arent the only ones to lose a skill, demons have lost 2 skills, 1 of which is the only real skill that gives them an advantage. and while the demonic possession is pretty much the same as the skill that shadows have received it is not at all unjust because shadows dont have squat for any skills except planeshift which in the grand scheme of things is only good for quest locating and exchanging. other then that shadows are pretty much useless as lvling classes because they dont get anything. every other class has an increased dmg of some sort. as for spirits unholy terror, i have attacked many spirits in pvp and it kicks in alot more then most let it be known that it does. therefor it IS UNFIAR that they give the elves best skill to another class. at this rate with unholy terror and the spirit version on ks spirits or more correctly lich class would be unstopped in lvling and in pvp.

as for quitting that solves nothing, but making suggestions based on pure facts and experience, now thats how to get things done right and we are giving him a chance to fix things, and while waiting we are giving feedback as he asked us to do by listing this topic.

[Debrutsid]

Actually, there have been 4-5 people including your bonded that have said they should get UT.
Funny you failed to mention Turn Undead bonus not working, or the fact that UT hasn't worked at all and/or 100% for nearly it's entire existence. Does KS have a PvP exchange like UT does? Giving feedback huh? That's what you call this sobfest? Quit, the lot of you.