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[The Marienne]

I dont remember what fantastic name the new gold bags from ASV have, "Glorious" or "heroic" or whatever. Anyways...these things give like 16 gold. reallyyy??? If the loot roll doesnt give me that it gives me like a tourm or something which I cant even vendor for a happy amount. My repair fee as a tank is about 100 gold or more. I can potentially trade another player 75 gold for 25 ep for the repair kits which is fine and dandy saves me a little bit. But I have to get even that gold somehow.  I dont have a lot of time to play anymore, and I'm sure many of the people who have left also had little time....Do you want me to go grind to3 story mode for an hour when I could be running dungeons with other players (BUT YOU DONT GET GOOD GOLD FOR GROUP DUNGEONING)?? If bags gave at least 50 I'd feel better. I dont even want to tank sometimes because I have no gold and cant pay for repair, and I dont want to tank with new healers, noob dpsanymore because I cant afford the wipes even though I have patience and love working with these noobs generally. Some sort of means of making $ for the poor tanks? Id be fine with going off and grinding to3 story on my main healer (though honestly thats ridic shuld be helping noobs run their dungeons same amount of time IF PEOPLE GOT good G FOR RUNNING WITH NOOBS WOULDNT HAVE THE NOOBS LEAVING MAYBE though yea its better for people to help them out of good will not a greedy incentive), but like I said I have very little online time and there are others like me who are leaving. o-o sorry disjointed forum post babysitting and juggling toddlers rofl but I hope basic message comes across clear. deinitely problem is more than just the asv gold bags but that is what started me off on this ramble.

ty for your time!

[ComradeLewis]

I've come to the conclusion that this sort of thing is due to none of the developers actually playing the game at max level, so they don't know what values are reasonable.

 

Personally, I don't run ASV, ARG, TOC, Arena, or WB. None of them are economically worth running at all from my perspective.

 

All of my money and gem making is done solo. I would consider running ICC if there were people available on a daily basis, but that's too difficult usually. So, essentially the most productive use of my time is completely solo. Yet, this is an MMO?

 

I don't suggest holding your breath though. I've been fighting for TOC and WB tweaks for over 2 years now. They finally got around to raising the WB gold bag from 2 gold to 20 about a year later (after I had quit). TOC they poke at every once in a while, but after 2 years they still can't comprehend what needs to be done. They seem to think that gamers will spend endless hours doing 1 boring event and then take a loss afterword. Sorry, but that's not fun. I know that your achieving an objective in ASV, but with the other events mentioned, it does not apply at all.

 

1) Expenses must be covered. Especially for support classes.

AND

2) There must be a purpose to it.

Edited by ComradeLewis, 30 May 2015 - 18:54.

[PeasantJoe]

It doesnt affect me, since im dps and i can make easy money by playing solo or even in groups but for new player or more casual i dont realy recommend playing tank if you dont have dps back up character becouse as tank you will die alot in dungeons and you will be always first that drop and if you have to spend 2 repair kits per run it wont be much fun for you. And yes everyone is shiting and leeching on tanks backs and in TA as templar you cant even protect yourself worst class ever

[redsmokeboy]

templar limited on any PvP chance to fight back, averge 1000 DPS - Full crafted Supream amber's - very bye full vit and or ahve 3 points in war tree.

 

Lack any DPS fight back, defance is useless aginst bleed's ignore armor for most part 100 + dmg per tick Each bleed stacking eeasy BB worset Bleed's there is 2 - BB dead Meat shield.

 

Played Templar in PvP, Limited on any chance fight back or even do much of any thing.

 

Unless hybered Templar, Prof with serantie upgrade remove debuff's still limited to usage.

Wast around 8 point's have limited chance to do much.

At same time still limited as lowest DPS with very minal skill fight with, dmg reduction CD time limited even defance buff's unless supporting good haste, New Mele haste gem not sure what need get to point where be any usefull.

 

http://talenttheory....1O1V1Pb2e2j2o2/

 

some thing like this have minal chance with PvP still have issue off get Pure amber's and lvl Full Fabled set Good black gem around pure.

 

Even then still limited aroudn 1k DPS pure vit with 18k HP still realy not much of bite.compared to averge DPS 1600 - 2400

 

As far as gold bags from ASV - ARG - no issue here limited cance with run's as is 28/300 nice finaly update so rewards are worth runing DGN.

Edited by redsmokeboy, 30 May 2015 - 21:04.

[Anameisaname]

I've come to the conclusion that this sort of thing is due to none of the developers actually playing the game at max level, so they don't know what values are reasonable.

 

 

 

Nailed it, if the devs tried running icc for 500 times, they's see how dumb it is.

[Fizban]

I dont remember what fantastic name the new gold bags from ASV have, "Glorious" or "heroic" or whatever. Anyways...these things give like 16 gold. reallyyy??? If the loot roll doesnt give me that it gives me like a tourm or something which I cant even vendor for a happy amount. My repair fee as a tank is about 100 gold or more. I can potentially trade another player 75 gold for 25 ep for the repair kits which is fine and dandy saves me a little bit. But I have to get even that gold somehow.  I dont have a lot of time to play anymore, and I'm sure many of the people who have left also had little time....Do you want me to go grind to3 story mode for an hour when I could be running dungeons with other players (BUT YOU DONT GET GOOD GOLD FOR GROUP DUNGEONING)?? If bags gave at least 50 I'd feel better. I dont even want to tank sometimes because I have no gold and cant pay for repair, and I dont want to tank with new healers, noob dpsanymore because I cant afford the wipes even though I have patience and love working with these noobs generally. Some sort of means of making $ for the poor tanks? Id be fine with going off and grinding to3 story on my main healer (though honestly thats ridic shuld be helping noobs run their dungeons same amount of time IF PEOPLE GOT good G FOR RUNNING WITH NOOBS WOULDNT HAVE THE NOOBS LEAVING MAYBE though yea its better for people to help them out of good will not a greedy incentive), but like I said I have very little online time and there are others like me who are leaving. o-o sorry disjointed forum post babysitting and juggling toddlers rofl but I hope basic message comes across clear. deinitely problem is more than just the asv gold bags but that is what started me off on this ramble.

ty for your time!

Hi Marienne, want me to run you through To3 story mode for 1 hr?  dunno if there's some sort of bug, but i can get between 15-20g per run and each run only takes around 4 mins, so about 15 mins of To3 would get you the repair cost, ofc i would pass on all drops so that you get the full value of the dungeon, i just run it solo for 15 mins after

[Fizban]

I've come to the conclusion that this sort of thing is due to none of the developers actually playing the game at max level, so they don't know what values are reasonable.

 

Personally, I don't run ASV, ARG, TOC, Arena, or WB. None of them are economically worth running at all from my perspective.

 

All of my money and gem making is done solo. I would consider running ICC if there were people available on a daily basis, but that's too difficult usually. So, essentially the most productive use of my time is completely solo. Yet, this is an MMO?

 

I don't suggest holding your breath though. I've been fighting for TOC and WB tweaks for over 2 years now. They finally got around to raising the WB gold bag from 2 gold to 20 about a year later (after I had quit). TOC they poke at every once in a while, but after 2 years they still can't comprehend what needs to be done. They seem to think that gamers will spend endless hours doing 1 boring event and then take a loss afterword. Sorry, but that's not fun. I know that your achieving an objective in ASV, but with the other events mentioned, it does not apply at all.

 

1) Expenses must be covered. Especially for support classes.

AND

2) There must be a purpose to it.

hey lewis, i'm a little curious as to what your class is? if you're a tank then maybe you are correct( i couldn't comment as i'm not a tank) but if your not, how is WB runs uneconomical? repairs are around the 20-30g mark and you get over 100g just by handing in the quests.

[ComradeLewis]

Prophet. It takes about an hour and the total loot gained is about 200 gold or so. Generally, I get no drops at all, and if I did it would either be a glimmering gem that has 1/2 the chance of being a non-use one, or a garbage equipment drop. In comparison, if I spent 1 hour running BT solo, I would get about 20 fair gems, half of which would be worth upgrading, and over 300 gold in loot drops. The prestige points would be the only gain from WB, and the once a week opportunity to just play the game with others.

 

Also, I forgot to mention that I have not died at WB in a long time. The above comparison get's much, much worse for those of you with huge repair bills for dying at the event. So, it's my opinion that the whole thing is not worth doing.

Edited by ComradeLewis, 30 May 2015 - 22:59.

[NatsuMichi]

And people still ask me why I won't rush lvling up as a tank With every lvl I only keep hearing how the BS gets worse and worse xD

 

Considering how important a tank is, this game gives you absolutely no motivation (other than your own preferance to play this role compared to others, which is my case) to play it...definitely not from lvl 1 to max. You definitely don't have a problem finding groups, but that's about it. That's literally it for the plus side of Templar. What else can you do?

 

Solo farm dungeons perhaps? Nope. Do quests efficiently? Nope. Farm mobs your own lvl for xp without stabbing yourself with your own shield at the end of the day? Nope. Survive on TA? Hah, nope. Fight back on TA? *dies of laughter*

 

I don't care much for the whole TA drama, but should I be more of a PvP person I would have rage quitted tank a long time ago. Never has there been a game where tanks have absolutely zero strength in PVP. Even Lineage sucky tanks could take a punch and throw it right back (hell they could TAUNT players ffs). Having respecd to a "Paladin" it got 100% funnier on TA for me, since people my own lvl can throw everything they have on me and I'll heal it right back no problem (nobody my own lvl attacks me though bwahaha), but that's it again. I can stand there and heal myself until I run out of mana potions or some 47lvl comes in and ignites a fire under my pants. SO much "fun" In the end, tank can't tank sheeeet in this game ^^ PvE, sure...kind of. PVP wise he's just hilarious

 

Thankfully there are still people who will help you out if need be, with running dungeons and farming stuff like flakes, rep quests etc. Thought tanks were supposed to be the badass warriors in shining armour with a swift hammer policy, but in Eldevin they are more like women and children on the Titanic. They go first, they -sometimes- live and then they still let the men do the paddling

 

Don't I just love being a tank though ^^ I love every torturous second of it!

[Fizban]

Prophet. It takes about an hour and the total loot gained is about 200 gold or so. Generally, I get no drops at all, and if I did it would either be a glimmering gem that has 1/2 the chance of being a non-use one, or a garbage equipment drop. In comparison, if I spent 1 hour running BT solo, I would get about 20 fair gems, half of which would be worth upgrading, and over 300 gold in loot drops. The prestige points would be the only gain from WB, and the once a week opportunity to just play the game with others.

 

Also, I forgot to mention that I have not died at WB in a long time. The above comparison get's much, much worse for those of you with huge repair bills for dying at the event. So, it's my opinion that the whole thing is not worth doing.

i see, so the statement that it's uneconomical is invalid, it's just that in your opinion that it's not worth doing

 

Edit; could a tank that has tanked WB please post how much repairs cost

Edited by Kezza, 30 May 2015 - 23:58.

[NerdyNeko]

i see, so the statement that it's uneconomical is invalid, it's just that in your opinion that it's not worth doing

 

Edit; could a tank that has tanked WB please post how much repairs cost

I have tanked wb twice. i think it was about 40g and runs were done in about 15 man team. Havent tanked asv for while.. i think repair was 15-20g without deaths.. oh btw i havent specced talent that reduces dmg on gear.. if you get 100g repair cost for one run then there is something really wrong..

[The Marienne]

for anyone lvling a tank: just wait till you hit the terrible 26-34 hahaha its the absolute quit zone. 

well templars are pretty screwed right now and dungeoning is too as well as any new player who joins the game and has not the time or stamina to play for 10 hours everyday

of course when things are changed people will always complain, and it does seem that things are fixed a little screwily sometimes because like you said it seems the devs dont play from a new players perspective and certainly not from one who has a limited (aka reasonable) amount of time to play. 

when I get on I want to play with my friends not spend time grinding a fcking lvl 35 story mode dungeon. 2 hours game time isnt unreasonable and I shouldnt have to grind a low lvl dungeon solo when there are low lvls that cant get dungeon group and after a few days of asking they leave, could be helping them out.

anyway ive poked hornets nest that was just finally sleeping sorry bout that :3

[The Marienne]

I have tanked wb twice. i think it was about 40g and runs were done in about 15 man team. Havent tanked asv for while.. i think repair was 15-20g without deaths.. oh btw i havent specced talent that reduces dmg on gear.. if you get 100g repair cost for one run then there is something really wrong..

no shouldnt be getting 100g for a repair per dungeon its only 100 if you wipe a few times...I dont want to avoid running with newer dungeoners to avoid repair costs that arent payed in the run. no gold so run with people i know wont generally wipe us, though like I said I love running with newer dungeoners or risky runners xD

[The Marienne]

well i shouldnt be lashing out noobly on forums just shows real life stress getting to me   

[NerdyNeko]

no shouldnt be getting 100g for a repair per dungeon its only 100 if you wipe a few times...I dont want to avoid running with newer dungeoners to avoid repair costs that arent payed in the run. no gold so run with people i know wont generally wipe us, though like I said I love running with newer dungeoners or risky runners xD

I do agree that more gold would be nice to get from runs but your numbers of gold lost was just so much off.. btw to triple posting..

[The Marienne]

even if I get the gold to cover my repair in a run, how can I get the gold to buy my lvl 45 skills? (not that im buying glaciate, seems rather ridic) but the point is if you want gold, you have to be unsocial and go solo grind a low lvl dungeon. maybe i want to eventually unlock tier 3 riding, or upgrade my bags, and then there are the alts that need skills and shtuff. Oh well just gotta be glad for the time I do get on and forget improving unimportant things.  

tanks dont need lives, they are there to run your dungeon and then flee to their alts or facebook or whatever.

[ComradeLewis]

I use to respec my prophet into a mage when I wanted to make money. However, when they fixed the cooldown so that it was actually 60 days that stopped. I had to make a Warrior to actually make money in the game. But then I realized that they totally broke solo grinding out of story dungeons. Now I have no clue why I even log on from day to day. I am not the type that will sit there all day and do the same dungeon 100 times. My sanity cannot take that as the sole means of income in this game.

[Huxtable]

How would you feel with, say, a dual-spec option...?

https://forums.hunte...1701-dual-spec/

 

(Follow the link in my 5th comment to enter circular post warp and come back to this post.)

 

Edit: This was in response to difficulties of solo farming as a tank, etc.

Edited by Huxtable, 31 May 2015 - 10:46.

[The Marienne]

How would you feel with, say, a dual-spec option...?

https://forums.hunte...1701-dual-spec/

 

(Follow the link in my 5th comment to enter circular post warp and come back to this post.)

 

Edit: This was in response to difficulties of solo farming as a tank, etc.

 I dont feel its completely balanced that one should HAVE to solo farm to do get gold or whatever. there should be group activities that will profit you. yea we need solo shit for the poor friendless loners but people should be encouraged to make groups for glory or whatever, and not just groups with the best and brightest but also those kinds of players one tends to avoid.

but something like that might help a tank. idk

[NatsuMichi]

^^ this

 

The entire point of a tank in my humble opinion is to have a group of guys with you that you protect from harm while they wreck stuff around you all the while appreciating how well your butt looks in that new armour. Okay...maybe not the last part Healers suffer the same I guess, they might have a better dmg output solo, but healer is all about healing a GROUP of people not himself lol. What the heck is the point of soloing in an MMO game?! If I wanted to wreck sheet solo I'd go play some kids games like CS:GO or COD and it would be the same repetitive crap you can do alone just as well. Or just play some offline game.

 

It just doesn't make sense for a multiplayer game with great potential for group play to ruin it with money...MONEY, it's all about gold later on isn't it. Repairs make sense I guess, we don't have an indestructible equip but indeed, running dungs with less experienced players, even lower dungeons, will wipe you a couple times (everytime I run Ohdar with someone new we end up wiping before they get a hang of it and while the cost is not too high yet, it is money you don't get back from the runs, especially since it's a low dung and you just pass on stuff, and have to go farm it somehow else). But either the cost of the repairs is bullsheet, or the rewards need to be somehow balanced out.

 

Did someone from HCS work on Dead Island? Because this system of "earn money through sweat and blood and then spend it all on repairs" was this game's trademark annoyance

Edited by Anakiro, 01 June 2015 - 08:27.
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