27 replies to this topic

[Maehdros]

I've seen multiple occasions on various ladders where a player/s hits everyone once, or even multiple times for a few hours, and then opts out to leave the ladder.

*Said* player/s gain Dominance medal ticks, and smasher medal progress without a risk of being hit back or bountied.

As an example, I just had a guildmate log in, and try to return a few ladder hits. Only to find out they couldn't due to the player buying protection and leaving the ladder ( and his pvp range )

Can I just ask what the cows thoughts are on this? I know you have oodles in the pipeline, and other priorities, but I'd just like you to see how frustrating this can be to anyone who plays the ladder or plans to.


Cheers

~ Maeh

Edited by Maehdros, 23 September 2020 - 14:54.

[BadPenny]

I don't understand why someone can be able to buy protection before a ladder reset and effectively opt out.  If somebody wants to opt out, that's fine, but  all  avenues of leaving a ladder should be restricted to the next ladder reset....   Anything else is an exploit that should have been covered long long ago....

[wil72]

--On the ladder if you leave via pvp protection then all smasher and dominance ticks be null and void for that ladder session, and all (if any) attacks performed b4 paying to try and avoid consequences, should be available for bounties.

 

The above collaboration between Moonfrost and KitiaraLi may go some way in reducing the use of this manipulation of current game mechanics.

 

Cheers,

wil72

Edited by wil72, 23 September 2020 - 18:07.

[Pardoux]

It's wrong, it's been brought up before, Hoof has said he'll look into it.


... still waiting ... 

[BadPenny]

It's wrong, it's been brought up before, Hoof has said he'll look into it.


... still waiting ... 

[fishboy95]

There are bigger fish to fry.

[yghorbeviahn]

The worst part of it is having only guildmates and one more person, the person hitting you while you're asleep, then leaving the Ladder....That person can completelly manipulate the results of it however he wants, since once he leaves, no one can change positions anymore.

I really doubt the system was supposed to work that way.

[BigGrim]

Hi there.

 

As we've said before, we are aware of this. My personal belief is that if you exit the Ladder, All hit ought to be bounty-able.  Hopefully something will be done about this.

 

~ Grim

[yotekiller]

Hi there.

 

As we've said before, we are aware of this. My personal belief is that if you exit the Ladder, All hit ought to be bounty-able.  Hopefully something will be done about this.

 

~ Grim

  How about no credit for dominance medal is given unless you stay until the reset?

[activeh1]

or just make it that you cant buy pvp protection while on the ladder

[sohail94]

simple fix, just disable the pvp protection upgrade for anyone who opts in to ladder, they can buy it again after opting out and waiting for a reset. 

[yghorbeviahn]

simple fix, just disable the pvp protection upgrade for anyone who opts in to ladder, they can buy it again after opting out and waiting for a reset. 

 

Or even better, make PvP Protection not work on Ladder...You can still get it for the open game, but make it have no effect at all within the Ladder, which means you can still play it normally if you get it.

[alejandio]

  How about no credit for dominance medal is given unless you stay until the reset?

Well but you could still get smasher ticks, and if they do it while everyone else is sleeping it's basically free hits without retribution 

Edited by alejandio, 24 September 2020 - 19:41.

[activeh1]

oh ladder just reset its on again

[moneypants]

It's wrong, it's been brought up before, Hoof has said he'll look into it.


... still waiting ... 

 

The year is 2030 no players left ether banned or grow old waiting for content. i hunted the other day use a fi1000 so could get items to break down i find out most mosters had no items what the hell Grim! 

There are bigger fish to fry.

Yes people like Craptree 

[kitobas]

I've seen multiple occasions on various ladders where a player/s hits everyone once, or even multiple times for a few hours, and then opts out to leave the ladder.

*Said* player/s gain Dominance medal ticks, and smasher medal progress without a risk of being hit back or bountied.

As an example, I just had a guildmate log in, and try to return a few ladder hits. Only to find out they couldn't due to the player buying protection and leaving the ladder ( and his pvp range )

Can I just ask what the cows thoughts are on this? I know you have oodles in the pipeline, and other priorities, but I'd just like you to see how frustrating this can be to anyone who plays the ladder or plans to.


Cheers

~ Maeh

many pvpers before you posting in forum about this and admin knowing about this, I can not finding his posting and remebering detailing words but saying it staying because for players can escape ladder

 

I and many players never understanding why this was not removing, for me it is like bug, hitting many times getting dominance and smasher and escaping with no risk, pvp always is with risk

[sweetlou]

There needs to be serious disincentive to this detestable gaming practice. Players have reported this since the bounty free Ladder was instigated. That's how long players take advantage of others using bad game mechanic changes by HCS. Before the change players regulated this practice with their own effort to drop the offending cheat the full 5!

 

I think two things should change post haste under the Ladder system. First, if the player leaves after hitting any player on the Ladder, ALL attacks on ALL players should become instantly bountyable for 72 hours(longer then the typical 48). Second, the attacking player should have a 1 month cooldown from re-entering the Ladder.

 

Both of these disincentives would prevent this abhorrent practice, while simultaneously retaining an option for an outmatched player to use the chicken exit on the Ladder. Come on Hoof!!

[yghorbeviahn]

There needs to be serious disincentive to this detestable gaming practice. Players have reported this since the bounty free Ladder was instigated. That's how long players take advantage of others using bad game mechanic changes by HCS. Before the change players regulated this practice with their own effort to drop the offending cheat the full 5!

 

I think two things should change post haste under the Ladder system. First, if the player leaves after hitting any player on the Ladder, ALL attacks on ALL players should become instantly bountyable for 72 hours(longer then the typical 48). Second, the attacking player should have a 1 month cooldown from re-entering the Ladder.

 

Both of these disincentives would prevent this abhorrent practice, while simultaneously retaining an option for an outmatched player to use the chicken exit on the Ladder. Come on Hoof!!

 

Although I really see the merit with this line, but why not just make PvP Protection have no effects on the Ladder?

 

Anyone could still have their PvP Protection up even if they are on the Ladder, and can do Ladder hits normally...Is there anything that I'm missing with that approach? It's way more streamlined than any other opition available, idk.

[BadPenny]

Why not just make PvP protection unavailable until opted out normally, at Ladder Reset.  I mean they could buy it, but it wouldn't be active until a proper opt out occurred at Ladder reset.  It would stop all this nonsense of getting Ladder/Smasher ticks then bailing.  I have many words you can't say on TV to express my disdain for those that follow this practice......   

 

Although a automatically system generated bounty on the same said players could also be an option.....

Edited by BadPenny, 29 October 2020 - 00:58.

[yghorbeviahn]

Why not just make PvP protection unavailable until opted out normally, at Ladder Reset.  I mean they could buy it, but it wouldn't be active until a proper opt out occurred at Ladder reset.  It would stop all this nonsense of getting Ladder/Smasher ticks then bailing.  I have many words you can't say on TV to express my disdain for those that follow this practice......   

 

Although a automatically system generated bounty on the same said players could also be an option.....

 

There is players with 500+ days of PvP Protection, with the actual system they'd never play Ladder otherwise they'd lose all the investment, I know those are extremelly rare cases...But there is multiple reasons for someone to get PvP Protection, and they should still be able to get it.

 

Breaking the link between PvP Protection and Ladder is the easiest way, you can still play the game normally, get PvP Protection if you want to, and still hit and get hit on the Ladder, nothing changes, the only difference is that Ladder hits no longer remove PvP Protection, just like PvP Protection does not remove you from the Ladder.