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[ClerBear]

I am the composer for my guild, (level 3 now) and we are now down to 3 active members. No, we don't want to merge. Thank you though.

 

Without stam gain gear my base stam is 5,119 with stam gain gear my base is 5,331. I had to give up wearing that gear until the day I can hunt. Long freaking story.

 

I like having and using an epic chest potion for the GEs because I have learned the benifit  of a large AM and a larger LF, that being, I don't have to travel so much to make the grade.  I can stay in one place and refresh the action after each round of kills.

 

You don't have to lower the number of kills needed for the cut ruby, you don't have to up the number of kills needed to get it either. You don't have to offer tidbits of this, that, or the other for those that are not satisfied with things the way they are and have 5000 + base stam for the event.   Participate or don't, but if you don't, please sit on your hands.

 

If you wish to give a little incentive to players with less than 1000k stam, pick something that truly is an incentive. I've seen a few ideas in the posts. A player can be back at max stam and hunt enough to make the grade if they have at minimum of 1000k stam. I've done it, and if I can do  it anyone else can do it too.

 

However don't make me run all over hell to make something so I can take part in the GE before I can take part in theGV.  That would suck and I already work hard as it is.

 

I agree a little bit with fewer GEs if you wish, but however you split the hairs don't stomp the  players working to build their base stam when all they use is what they make in the game to do it. 

 

To those who spend money on the game, right on, well done, congratulations. Goodie goodie.  Please don't use that as a club to play caveman with new players just starting out.  I have noticed there are a lot of low level people that have left the game.  Be ladies and gentlemen, be helpful with your knowledge, not sarcastic or rude.

 

Everyone of us represent this game.

[Davros81]

I want to make two points. If an player with 20k max stamina spends 5.000 stamina on a event and gets two chests, his chests will be worth 40.000 stamina of extra gains (more xp, big AM etc). But when an player with an max of 1k stamina spends the same 5.000 stamina on a event he will also gets two chests which will be worth 2.000 stamina of extra gains. The ROI (return on Investment) for lower max stamina players is way lower.

 

What I suggest is that for every 100 kills made, you will get 1 token. And with this token you can buy buffs. Make it rather low level buffs, but they will last for a long time, lets say 3h or so. So, an AL200 for 3h. (think about the levelling packs you can buy with GvG tokens??!)  But now comes the neat part, the price of the buffs depend on your current stamina. So, if you have less then 1000 current stamina it will cost you 1 token, do you have 2000 current stamina it will cost 2 tokens. Ofcourse buffs are cast instantly, but you can store your tokens. The tokens are not tradeable. Ofcourse AL200 might be excessive, but I think it should be above the buffs normally casted.  

 

The player from 20k max stamina who only does the 5.000 kills will have to do four globals, to get ONE full stamina hunt with the AL200, but the 1000 max stamina player can have 50 hunts, or 25 hunts with AL200/LIB200 or whatever option available.

Love this idea!!!

[vlkfenrir]

I want to make two points. If an player with 20k max stamina spends 5.000 stamina on a event and gets two chests, his chests will be worth 40.000 stamina of extra gains (more xp, big AM etc). But when an player with an max of 1k stamina spends the same 5.000 stamina on a event he will also gets two chests which will be worth 2.000 stamina of extra gains. The ROI (return on Investment) for lower max stamina players is way lower.

 

What I suggest is that for every 100 kills made, you will get 1 token. And with this token you can buy buffs. Make it rather low level buffs, but they will last for a long time, lets say 3h or so. So, an AL200 for 3h. (think about the levelling packs you can buy with GvG tokens??!)  But now comes the neat part, the price of the buffs depend on your current stamina. So, if you have less then 1000 current stamina it will cost you 1 token, do you have 2000 current stamina it will cost 2 tokens. Ofcourse buffs are cast instantly, but you can store your tokens. The tokens are not tradeable. Ofcourse AL200 might be excessive, but I think it should be above the buffs normally casted.  

 

The player from 20k max stamina who only does the 5.000 kills will have to do four globals, to get ONE full stamina hunt with the AL200, but the 1000 max stamina player can have 50 hunts, or 25 hunts with AL200/LIB200 or whatever option available.

Mainly for new players this sounds like pretty good idea, considering it as addition not replacement for current system.

[Egami]

I only came here because it was linked by BG. I only skimmed the first two pages and there are a lot of good points.

 

Here's my two cents for what it's worth:

 

"Back in the day", there was some set or other that our Guild had. I think it was perfect though it was not fully forged. It already served above and beyond for one-hitting creatures.

 

A new player came in and complained about it not being fully forged. In my patient Egami-manner, I gave a long explanation about how it wasn't necessary.

 

I then added for educational value that the player could feel free to forge it if they really thought it was necessary.

 

The player left... good riddance. 

 

THE MORAL OF THE STORY:

 

You realize we just got the second-best chest in this run, right? 

 

You realize that this a community event, right? 

 

And so, in my opinion, what most people seem to be clamoring for is another "win button" to get the "best" thing available. 

 

I'm 100% against it. 

 

Let me put it into context: I worked my butt off in the second-to-last event to help the Community get pots which I, personally, believed to generally be considered to be the best in the gam, but yet have practically zero use for. 

 

This round: the ruby were the chests that I happen to, personally, think are the best in the game for what I do.

 

I did 5,004 and I consider that a "fail". It's a fail for me on a personal level, but RL and game priorities prevented me from doing my best to get the chests that I think are the best in game. But I'm thankful for all those who put out to get to the frigging second-best level of Chests. For me, that rocked.

 

Did I deserve that? I don't think so, but it's debatable. 

 

MY PERSONAL CONCLUSION:

 

If we believe the numbers, everything being constantly requested simply sounds like negative feedback and what people are asking for is for HCS to make it easier to hit the Ruby. So what... we need to assure that the FS Community gets the best reward with no effort?

 

I'll repeat: this is a Community Event. 

 

And I'll ask to every single person out there: WTF have you done to inspire the community to participate? 

 

THE SOLUTION:

 

The solution is not for HCS to make it easier... the solution is for you to take an active part in inspiring the community to get the top range. That's what these events are about for me.

 

Tounge-in-cheek: Instead of spouting off about top level players who spent a lot to max up their stam, had a car accident and family members diagnosed with terminal diseases... I ask you... what the heck have you done lately?

 

Quit telling players what they should do with their stam... you wouldn't let them do the same to you.

 

And more importantly: You want something? Do something to get it. The theme on GEs is perfectly clear (COMMUNITY) and paying FSP for the boxes is not the only way to make it happen.

[BadPenny]

I couldn't have said all that better myself           

[Egami]

I couldn't have said all that better myself           

To tell you the truth, I really didn't expect anybody to like that.

 

It was kind of my "not-so-saved-rant" from the actual recent GE post and I swear I summarized and really wanted to avoid quoting. 

 

I think I should have dedicated it to all the silver-medal winners in the Olympics... lmao.

 

Hmmm... maybe this post here is dedicated to comic relief ,oP

[ClerBear]

I liked that, Egami, I am happy enough with those chests and I burned my stam twice to get them.  I don't want the admin to change things just because someone could not be bothered, for what reason they gave, to take part in the GE, or to low ball it.  I used my stam on Friday and again on Monday in what I thought would net me 3 chests I was looking forward to and had to make room for. lol

 

For this event I composed several potions for the other two in my guild. Helped Jim with what I know, Petro also passed along his knowlege. We all come and go according to the time alloted us after our real world obligations have been met.

 

If you got so bored you can't be bothered to participate, don't come here to vent about it.  Sit down, look it over and decide what there is you need to do to make things interesting for you again.  That is something you need to do, not something the admin needs to change the game for you.

 

 

[Melissa3]

people will always try and find a loophole for personal profit..

if i were the cows i would make traveling potion makers have to stay in a guild for at least 7 days before they can make guild tagged potions..

titan hunters cant join a guild and hunt within 7 days of joining, so i cant see why potion makers are allowed to profit while guild hopping

leefylee has a lvl 48 composer in their guild. 

 

He has access to some of the best buffs available.

 

I am traveller and i can guarantee whatever i charge for my composed potions I will NEVER recover what it has cost me to get to this level of composing so quickly.  So composing quickly and travelling IS NOT a money making venture !!

 

Why would u want to deny so many guilds from getting access to the best composed pots that are available to only a handful of guilds?

[Pardoux]

leefylee has a lvl 48 composer in their guild. 

 

He has access to some of the best buffs available.

 

I am traveller and i can guarantee whatever i charge for my composed potions I will NEVER recover what it has cost me to get to this level of composing so quickly.  So composing quickly and travelling IS NOT a money making venture !!

 

Why would u want to deny so many guilds from getting access to the best composed pots that are available to only a handful of guilds?

 

Firstly, Leefy isn't saying you can't travel around - just that, as with GvG or Titan Hunting, you have to have been in a particular guild for a week before you can carry out your activity ..

 

Secondly, composed potions were never intended to be sold - initially the idea was PURE personal use and then guild-tagged came into the mix.

 

Creative gaming allowed a loophole to found / exploited - I think that the 7 day timer before utilising it is a good compromise - or would you rather that guild-tagging was removed as an option when composing to stop sales completely ?

[09876r3LDK]

I only came here because it was linked by BG. I only skimmed the first two pages and there are a lot of good points.

 

Here's my two cents for what it's worth:

 

"Back in the day", there was some set or other that our Guild had. I think it was perfect though it was not fully forged. It already served above and beyond for one-hitting creatures.

 

A new player came in and complained about it not being fully forged. In my patient Egami-manner, I gave a long explanation about how it wasn't necessary.

 

I then added for educational value that the player could feel free to forge it if they really thought it was necessary.

 

The player left... good riddance. 

 

THE MORAL OF THE STORY:

 

You realize we just got the second-best chest in this run, right? 

 

You realize that this a community event, right? 

 

And so, in my opinion, what most people seem to be clamoring for is another "win button" to get the "best" thing available. 

 

I'm 100% against it. 

 

Let me put it into context: I worked my butt off in the second-to-last event to help the Community get pots which I, personally, believed to generally be considered to be the best in the gam, but yet have practically zero use for. 

 

This round: the ruby were the chests that I happen to, personally, think are the best in the game for what I do.

 

I did 5,004 and I consider that a "fail". It's a fail for me on a personal level, but RL and game priorities prevented me from doing my best to get the chests that I think are the best in game. But I'm thankful for all those who put out to get to the frigging second-best level of Chests. For me, that rocked.

 

Did I deserve that? I don't think so, but it's debatable. 

 

MY PERSONAL CONCLUSION:

 

If we believe the numbers, everything being constantly requested simply sounds like negative feedback and what people are asking for is for HCS to make it easier to hit the Ruby. So what... we need to assure that the FS Community gets the best reward with no effort?

 

I'll repeat: this is a Community Event. 

 

And I'll ask to every single person out there: WTF have you done to inspire the community to participate? 

 

THE SOLUTION:

 

The solution is not for HCS to make it easier... the solution is for you to take an active part in inspiring the community to get the top range. That's what these events are about for me.

 

Tounge-in-cheek: Instead of spouting off about top level players who spent a lot to max up their stam, had a car accident and family members diagnosed with terminal diseases... I ask you... what the heck have you done lately?

 

Quit telling players what they should do with their stam... you wouldn't let them do the same to you.

 

And more importantly: You want something? Do something to get it. The theme on GEs is perfectly clear (COMMUNITY) and paying FSP for the boxes is not the only way to make it happen.

i agree i mean yeah id like ruby, but at the sametime glad i got something at all and we can always do better next time

[ClerBear]

If the traveler spent time in the guild and had to gather the things to frag adding experience to the guild, wouldn't that create an experience lock situation for the guild when said traveler moved on?

 

I suppose the guild members could farm the gear for the composer so said traveler would not have to put a lot of experience into the guild creating that experience lock set up.

 

Frag stashes in the ah are not all that cheap, I have looked. This is based on my poor woman status here and nothing else.

 

Composing is not a cheap proposition, I know this from experience. lol

Edited by ClerBear, 26 February 2015 - 03:04.

[Melissa3]

Firstly, Leefy isn't saying you can't travel around - just that, as with GvG or Titan Hunting, you have to have been in a particular guild for a week before you can carry out your activity ..

 

Secondly, composed potions were never intended to be sold - initially the idea was PURE personal use and then guild-tagged came into the mix.

 

Creative gaming allowed a loophole to found / exploited - I think that the 7 day timer before utilising it is a good compromise - or would you rather that guild-tagging was removed as an option when composing to stop sales completely ?

If i have to spend 7 days in a guild before i can make any composed potions for the guild obviously I am not going to be visiting any small guilds.

 

They dont have the membership numbers to make my visit viable.

 

I will stay home in the comfort of my home guild. 

 

So then so many small guilds will have no access to high level composed potions until someone from their own guild becomes a high lvl composer, which most people cant do due to the cost and time involved.

 

To get to this lvl of composing so quickly at one point i was spending 2 million gold and using 3000 common fragments, that i farmed myself, PER DAY.  Add to that the cost of buying buffs everyday to farm those fragments. 

 

Then further add to that the necessity to buy fragments to make potions as I visit guilds.

 

I am not ahead and never will be, but by sharing my pots it is giving my composing level some value.

 

Your suggestion will only increase the strength of some guilds and keep the smaller guilds weaker.

[Lellarell]

if i were the cows i would make traveling potion makers have to stay in a guild for at least 7 days before they can make guild tagged potions..

 

 

Why? What's your problem with it?

I see the way that complaints always come from the ones not getting profit from the system.

Envy is all I see!

Play the way you want and let others do as well.

[Pardoux]

If i have to spend 7 days in a guild before i can make any composed potions for the guild obviously I am not going to be visiting any small guilds.

 

They dont have the membership numbers to make my visit viable.

 

I will stay home in the comfort of my home guild. 

 

So then so many small guilds will have no access to high level composed potions until someone from their own guild becomes a high lvl composer, which most people cant do due to the cost and time involved.

 

To get to this lvl of composing so quickly at one point i was spending 2 million gold and using 3000 common fragments, that i farmed myself, PER DAY.  Add to that the cost of buying buffs everyday to farm those fragments. 

 

Then further add to that the necessity to buy fragments to make potions as I visit guilds.

 

I am not ahead and never will be, but by sharing my pots it is giving my composing level some value.

 

Your suggestion will only increase the strength of some guilds and keep the smaller guilds weaker.

 

It was YOUR choice to level so fast, knowing that the potions composed weren't allowed to be sold ...

 

ANY guild can have a composer - ANY guild can have a high level composer if they pull together.

 

All it takes is teamwork - 1 person to be the composer, some to farm the fragments, some to help fund the outlay and some to store created potions.

 

This is not about strengthening big guilds and weakening little guilds - other travelling salesmen come from small, low level guilds.

 

You yourself have said that, if you have to stay in a guild for a week before being able to sell your wares, then you won't be visiting any small ones as it won't be viable - out of your own mouth, you've said you're wanting to make plenty of credits / fsps (or am I misinterpreting your "viable" comment ?)

[Melissa3]

It was YOUR choice to level so fast, knowing that the potions composed weren't allowed to be sold ...

 

ANY guild can have a composer - ANY guild can have a high level composer if they pull together.

 

All it takes is teamwork - 1 person to be the composer, some to farm the fragments, some to help fund the outlay and some to store created potions.

 

This is not about strengthening big guilds and weakening little guilds - other travelling salesmen come from small, low level guilds.

 

You yourself have said that, if you have to stay in a guild for a week before being able to sell your wares, then you won't be visiting any small ones as it won't be viable - out of your own mouth, you've said you're wanting to make plenty of credits / fsps (or am I misinterpreting your "viable" comment ?)

You can twist this any way u choose , but basically the person who originally made the suggestion has access to a lvl 48 composer.

 

Very few guilds have a composer that high a lvl.  The guilds with the higher level composers will have better buffs available for gvgs, pvp, better buffs to scavenge and hunt with..... etc.... the list is endless.

 

So its pretty obvious if you stop the composing travellers  the weak get weaker and the strong get stronger.  My guild angellife will remain strong with high lvl composers .

Edited by Melissa3, 26 February 2015 - 04:37.

[robinbanks]

I dont see a guild putting all their frags and effort to better one Guild Composer... would you put all you investments into 

someone that can leave the guild at anytime.. have work, family, life problems and leave the game.. i dont think so.. no Free Rides.

you want it.. for work for it.. some did and they should benefit from it.  Those that dont work hard wont be high level composers

anytime soon. But with the hard work you will rise fast. The rules are the same for everyone.

So the moral of the story.. work for it.. or pay FSP for it.. if you choose to do neither... well then.. thats up to

you.. dont bring down those that put in the extra effort.

[sweetlou]

It was YOUR choice to level so fast, knowing that the potions composed weren't allowed to be sold ...

 

ANY guild can have a composer - ANY guild can have a high level composer if they pull together.

 

All it takes is teamwork - 1 person to be the composer, some to farm the fragments, some to help fund the outlay and some to store created potions.

 

This is not about strengthening big guilds and weakening little guilds - other travelling salesmen come from small, low level guilds.

 

You yourself have said that, if you have to stay in a guild for a week before being able to sell your wares, then you won't be visiting any small ones as it won't be viable - out of your own mouth, you've said you're wanting to make plenty of credits / fsps (or am I misinterpreting your "viable" comment ?)

She should be able to do what she wants with her ability to compose pots. She has EARNED HER COMPOSING LEVEL! It's nobody's business what she does but her own!!! By your logic you would have leaving a guild prohibited. This idea of restricting movement is against the tenets of the game and only shows petty jealousy.

Edited by sweetlou, 26 February 2015 - 04:34.

[sweetlou]

titan hunters cant join a guild and hunt within 7 days of joining, so i cant see why potion makers are allowed to profit while guild hopping

Isn't that only true if the guild they join is on a cooldown from a specific Titan and only applies to THAT Titan?
 
Leave players who have worked VERY hard and exerted many resources to their craft alone to ply their trade any way they choose!

[yotwehc]

Isn't that only true if the guild they join is on a cooldown from a specific Titan and only applies to THAT Titan?
 
Leave players who have worked VERY hard and exerted many resources to their craft alone to ply their trade any way they choose!

Nope. all titans.

[sweetlou]

Nope. all titans.

Well that restriction, come to think of it, is to stop players from circumventing the cooldown. That makes sense. But why should players be stopped from changing guilds offering what they have to offer to any guild? Players shouldn't be able to profit isn't a valid reason to me, only a jealous one.