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[Spitfire666123]

It still comes down to laziness. Everything you mentioned could be done manually, but instead, you require a script to do it for you.

Making a list of Guild Items? Yes, you can do it manually, write down a list of 1,000+ items, writing the name of the item, level, all the stats, craft, forge: time? 10/15 hours?

And keep it updated every time you tag, untag, craft or forge something (or someone does it and you dont know it?): time? 2/3 hours every time?

Saving combat logs? how? you copy and paste every single combat when you hunt? Time: about 1 hour per level

Seriously, you dont like FSH and its ok (but this is not about liking helper or not)... but between laziness and making the game more enjoyable, theres a huge difference.
I dont require any script to do it for me, i want to discover and learn the game myself, and enjoy it. If something helps me to have more fun in the game, i cant see what is the problem.

If it wasnt for FSH doing this for you, would you do it? I see no reason to check every kill when I hunt, though back when I had crappy internet, and a terrible computer, I had no choice but to see every fight, whether I wanted to or not.

As far as the guild gear, I pose the same question: Why? I couldnt tell you everything we had in the guild. I use the Guild Report, and Ctrl+F to search for what I need, but complicate your own game, if you feel like it.

Try running a Guild without it mate.

Cheers.

wil72

There are countless guilds that operate without FSH. I dont understand what makes it NECESSARY to operate a guild...

NECESSARY! NECESSARY? Where in my post did I say it was NECESSARY? Please stop putting words in my mouth.

I was alluding to the fact that FSH sure helps in running a Guild. You should try it sometime.

As for being in control, free your mind mate, obliviousness is bliss :wink:

Cheers.

wil72

Why challenge me to run a guild without FSH, if you didnt think it was necessary? I apologize for assuming, though

[dowuones]

If it wasnt for FSH doing this for you, would you do it? I see no reason to check every kill when I hunt, though back when I had crappy internet, and a terrible computer, I had no choice but to see every fight, whether I wanted to or not.

As far as the guild gear, I pose the same question: Why? I couldnt tell you everything we had in the guild. I use the Guild Report, and Ctrl+F to search for what I need, but complicate your own game, if you feel like it.

You dont like helper cause you want more mental work and you think its not important to see what happens in combat? How? you swing and try your luck? i want to know in advance what should happen (how much damage i will do it, i much xp and gold i wil get, how high is the risk of losing imps, the exact % of 1hit i will have), and double check it i was right. If i was right it means i studied the game properly. This is mental work, dont you think?

I can search items in GS, but if i want to study a set up, for me, for the guild, and keep everything updated every time theres a change in the game, i need a list. I could try a set up and see what happens, i prefer to know exactly what will happen. If i study something i search the best way to do it and i study it properly, i dont try and try again, i search the solution and apply it. This is mental work, dont you think?

Again, you dont like helper, fine. Now if we can back to the subject...

[RebornJedi]

don't you think that if the FSHelper wasn't here that there would be more of a push from the community to make this game more enjoyable for all?

teh FSHelper does make people 'lazy'.. the developers.. why rush to include a feature in the game if theres a script already doing it for them.. the fact that HCS banned ALL scripts but the FSHelper shows their acceptance of having players put in teh hard work in making Fallen Sword enjoyable for the majority.

ban the FSHelper and see how fast the masses jump on the forums

please don't take my rant as an insult towards the Hunted Cow Studios nor the FSHelper team.. both have put in loads of HARD work into this game.. i just find it 'funny' that theres a plea to save the FSHelper but the forum thread to include FSHelper features into the game has been dead since october, lost in the Tools section.. i've even suggested some of the features in teh general discussion section but have since died, told by HCS that eventually it will happen.. because the majority can just download a script to get those features..

[dowuones]

don't you think that if the FSHelper wasn't here that there would be more of a push from the community to make this game more enjoyable for all?

teh FSHelper does make people 'lazy'.. the developers.. why rush to include a feature in the game if theres a script already doing it for them.. the fact that HCS banned ALL scripts but the FSHelper shows their acceptance of having players put in teh hard work in making Fallen Sword enjoyable for the majority.

ban the FSHelper and see how fast the masses jump on the forums

please don't take my rant as an insult towards the Hunted Cow Studios nor the FSHelper team.. both have put in loads of HARD work into this game.. i just find it 'funny' that theres a plea to save the FSHelper but the forum thread to include FSHelper features into the game has been dead since october, lost in the Tools section.. i've even suggested some of the features in teh general discussion section but have since died, told by HCS that eventually it will happen.. because the majority can just download a script to get those features..

jedi, i would like to see FSH feature implemented in game, and having all the feature i have (or had) without the need of a script.
i know notihing about coding, but looking at the speed FSH was updated and the speed a few of those feature were implemented, i suppose doing them with a script is much faster.
Im just trying to have all those features working while waiting for them being implemented that will probably be a slow process (and HCS has many others things to do, so i think their time to spend in implementing FSH features is not much).
Tools thread in forum has been dead since October, cause FSP stopped being updated in September, so writing there at the moment is useless.

[Spitfire666123]

You dont like helper cause you want more mental work and you think its not important to see what happens in combat? How? you swing and try your luck? i want to know in advance what should happen (how much damage i will do it, i much xp and gold i wil get, how high is the risk of losing imps, the exact % of 1hit i will have), and double check it i was right. If i was right it means i studied the game properly. This is mental work, dont you think?

I can search items in GS, but if i want to study a set up, for me, for the guild, and keep everything updated every time theres a change in the game, i need a list. I could try a set up and see what happens, i prefer to know exactly what will happen. If i study something i search the best way to do it and i study it properly, i dont try and try again, i search the solution and apply it. This is mental work, dont you think?

Again, you dont like helper, fine. Now if we can back to the subject...

I see what happens in combat... every time I PvP. There is no need to double check PvE, unless you suck, and die repeatedly. I look up monsters im hunting either on UFSG, or the map. Doing so enables me to guarantee that I have the proper stats to 1-hit without dying.

There are no real variables in PvE. Your opponent doesnt have a number of buffs that enables it to survive your attack. You shouldnt need a script to tell you if you'd survive or not...

[dowuones]

ok, im too calm and peaceful to go on with this, have a good day

[DragonLord]

I'm with Bry on this one - and, it seems (thankfully) Hoof - implement all the core functions of the FSH into the game and then ban ALL scripts

[Belaric]

Well, call it accidental - but I have just lost contact with colony LV 426.... I mean FSH functions.

Most importantly for my day to day ability - Guild Inventory has gone. That single search ability through guild tagged gear by many different identifiers, but most simply - by level. Being able to search by level is the best thing for new players, and for players of any level joining a new guild - what do you have that I can use? The standard guild report is a brain ache of aneurysmic proportions.

Am I alone here?


Ummmm...... nothing to see here - I had switched off greasemonkey.


(Tries to hide but can't.)

[Lahona]

I would quit without the helper! NOT because it does my calculations for me, I made my own spreadsheet to do that after 4 years of doing every level manually. FSH helps to reduce the effects of RSI which is making my life very difficult as I can no longer write legibly and have no strength left in my right hand to do many normal things (like opening a packet or jar).

The helper was created to reduce the keystrokes / mouse clicks and time needed for repetitive actions that have no effect on gameplay.

As for FS incorporating all the FSH features -- be careful what you ask for. AH listing now takes far longer than it did with the helper features. Yet another 'update' that was never finished

[Spitfire666123]

I would quit without the helper! NOT because it does my calculations for me, I made my own spreadsheet to do that after 4 years of doing every level manually. FSH helps to reduce the effects of RSI which is making my life very difficult as I can no longer write legibly and have no strength left in my right hand to do many normal things (like opening a packet or jar).

The helper was created to reduce the keystrokes / mouse clicks and time needed for repetitive actions that have no effect on gameplay.

As for FS incorporating all the FSH features -- be careful what you ask for. AH listing now takes far longer than it did with the helper features. Yet another 'update' that was never finished

Im sorry to hear that you have trouble, I really am. There are some features of FSH that Im not so opposed to. I just dislike the ones that take the thought out of the game. Automation of any kind should be frowned upon, and if the Cows want FSH in the game, they should work on implementing it.

It has been stated that FSH is falling behind the updates. Its only a matter of time before its rendered obsolete or incompatible anyway...