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[kitobas]

I hunting one hour ago and doing 2 million damage again lol

I forgetting using wither potion but I lucky crazy high composing too strong and I activating overkill for hunt

[Melons]

When I first started this game, I wasn't really a PvPer. I gave it a shot when the ladder was first revamped to bands (back when there was no opt-out option), and I would always get my butt kicked by skilled PvPers. I was a noob at PvP, so I always bought every buff I could from players and the auction house. I was so frustrated that I would spend, so much FSP just to end up losing every time. So, one day, I took the time to understand PvP. I played around with set-ups and learned about each of the buffs. Soon enough, after taking the time to learn PvP, I was able to win against other players and place on top of the ladder. 

 

If I started PvPing today, newbie me would still win because I would have OP pots to help me. Back then, it was a challenge to fight others. You could have all the buffs in the game, but if you didn't have any knowledge about PvP you'd lose against a skilled PvPer every time. Today, I can pop a couple of epic pots and smack everyone in my range and win automatically regardless of if I know PvP or not. 

 

Back then, I had a quite a number of different set-ups that I used. Today, I can use only one set-up and win every time with OP pots, regardless of my knowledge of PvP. The challenge that came with PvP, back then, was the reason why I was so drawn to it. I rarely took breaks from the game, but lately, I have been taking months off because there is no challenge left in PvP. I drink a couple of OP pots and poof! Requires no thinking at all.

 

I agree composers have spent countless resources and time to reach 60. However, the fact they can make pots equal to or more powerful than pots from globals, ladder, and donation chests is ridiculous. We don't have globals or chests from donations running every day. Plus, ladder pots require players to play ladder frequently to get the pots. EOC composers have access to them at all times, 24/7. I also agree, if composing pots are nerfed, EOC composer should get some sort of "compensation" for the time and money they have spent. But for the sake of the game, please look over the buffs. 

[wil72]

I hunting one hour ago and doing 2 million damage again lol

I forgetting using wither potion but I lucky crazy high composing too strong and I activating overkill for hunt

 

The question here is......would you have won NOT using composing or Epic pots? I mean, would you have won using pots that have always been available instead? I'm guessing yes, easily. So, if this is the case, composing pots aren't really helping you win, they just allow you to hit harder

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

[Mister Doom]

The question here is......would you have won NOT using composing or Epic pots? I mean, would you have won using pots that have always been available instead? I'm guessing yes, easily. So, if this is the case, composing pots aren't really helping you win, they just allow you to hit harder

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

 

'Winning' using skill, mathematics and knowledge of the game isn't the same as blindly drinking some potions and then smashing stuff without care.

 

In this case it is NOT just the winning that counts.

[dobroeutro]

'Winning' using skill, mathematics and knowledge of the game isn't the same as blindly drinking some potions and then smashing stuff without care.

 

In this case it is NOT just the winning that counts.

 

Nobody is required to use potions, global, donation, composing or AH if you don't want/need to... 

[wil72]

'Winning' using skill, mathematics and knowledge of the game isn't the same as blindly drinking some potions and then smashing stuff without care.

 

 

 

edited.

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

Edited by wil72, 08 April 2017 - 16:44.

[Mister Doom]

Nobody is required to use potions, global, donation, composing or AH if you don't want/need to... 

 

The object of the game should 'be' to make yourself as strong and efficient as possible, it is HCS' job to make this a challenge for us.

 

What you suggest is the inversion of this. That doesn't make for a good game.

[Pythia]

And here all this time I thought the object of the game was to have fun playing whatever aspect you enjoyed: Titan hunting, GE, leveling, PvP. GvG.

 

Funny me.

 

lol

[Pardoux]

And here all this time I thought the object of the game was to have fun playing whatever aspect you enjoyed: Titan hunting, GE, leveling, PvP. GvG.

 

Funny me.

 

lol

 

Oh, it is, but how much fun do you have when something is way too easy ?

 

It's like spending $100 on a new video game and using the cheat codes to get through, without actually "TRYING" first ...

Edited by Pardoux, 08 April 2017 - 23:05.

[Calista]

PvP use to require skill, knowledge, and effort. I'd spend literally days making new sets to have the best stats I could. The OP pots have removed the need for anything but luck. You have to have the same OP pots going to even have a small chance of winning. But even if you have all the same pots going as a target, skill still has nothing to do with who wins. It's all about who gets the lucky buffs activated. Now it is just a weird game of Press Your Luck.

[yotwehc]

PvP use to require skill, knowledge, and effort. I'd spend literally days making new sets to have the best stats I could. The OP pots have removed the need for anything but luck. You have to have the same OP pots going to even have a small chance of winning. But even if you have all the same pots going as a target, skill still has nothing to do with who wins. It's all about who gets the lucky buffs activated. Now it is just a weird game of Press Your Luck.

Says the gal who consistently beats me up...

[Pythia]

I will admit, Pardoux, that when I first really learned my way around the game, it was nothing but fun for me.  Then some things were added to the game and it was not as fun as it was.  I did not like the ease and speed of PvP/GvG and those that only attacked players that were offline.  (shooting fish in a barrel)

 

As people asked for more and more and bigger and bigger and stronger and stronger, I used what I could and learned about what I could made the game fun again.  Then other needs took over and the game stopped being fun again.

 

Now I don't play here as much, of course stam gain takes longer and that's a factor for sure.  But mostly it's the players that keep asking for bigger, stronger, more then say oh shucks, that's to much.. Cap it, nerf it, fix it for us.

 

lol

 

I don't ask for much, just that people learn to use what they have in an effective way for the betterment of themselves and the game, instead of wanting things fixed for them.

[Corrupted]

Says the gal who consistently beats me up...

She beats me up too mang, and she don't even need them potions :| ..

On topic though. I think the potions have surely killed much of the challenge that PvP used to bring (at least to me, I'm not that clever). 

As others have mentioned, these potions really discourage any type of planning or strategic thinking. It's all bout who drinks them potions most times, at least in my experience. I do think diminishing returns would be a good way to adjust them too.

When do we say X buff at Y (high) level is too much? At this point not even the critters hold a chance against us, not even their CHAMPION versions present a challenge to the almighty power of Composed potions.

Lots of good suggestions in here. Hope this gets somewhere



 

[Chooma123]

lets be honest nothing will change sadly

[wil72]

Sober up folks, many seem to be drunk on nostalgia.

 

Cheers.

 

wil72

[dobroeutro]

PvP use to require skill, knowledge, and effort. I'd spend literally days making new sets to have the best stats I could. The OP pots have removed the need for anything but luck. You have to have the same OP pots going to even have a small chance of winning. But even if you have all the same pots going as a target, skill still has nothing to do with who wins. It's all about who gets the lucky buffs activated. Now it is just a weird game of Press Your Luck.

 

Only 1 of the OP Composing Pots, (Ageless), noted in this thread are luck based. All the rest are stat based. So, not sure what you're referring to??? 

[Pythia]

Why do you keep trying to rewind the game?  It will never be what it once was, no matter what the admin do.

[Pardoux]

Why do you keep trying to rewind the game?  It will never be what it once was, no matter what the admin do.

 

So the game should keep making mistakes and not fixing them ? - hardly a model for success

[Pythia]

The game can not go backwards, it can go forward only. Much has changed and anyone seeking to go back will not find what they want, only shards of what they want.

 

That will not serve the game and may only frustrate players more.  But the admin will do what they will do and, I for one, will do what other players  have said to do, in whatever facets of the game I play. 

 

Learn and play or leave.

[Chooma123]

Much has changed and anyone seeking to go back will not find what they want, only shards of what they want.

Are you trying writing some kind of literature analysis? That makes no sense

the people in support of this thread want composing to be removed for the most part from pvp so pvp returns to being somewhat fairer and balanced

please tell me how we will only get a shard of what we want if they change it

if they change it, we will have exactly what we want lmao